06-15-2014 02:39 PM
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  1. jlzimmerman's Avatar
    While I own a 360, I am not anti-PS4. Strong competition is good for the consumer. With that said, did anyone else notice the bias (shocker) toward Sony yesterday? While Engadget stated in an article that the games being released for the XBOne later this year was "a massive list" they still played down the announcements. There were 5 articles related to XBOne's E3 compared to 13 articles related to PS4's E3, at the time I went to bed at 11PM.

    Perhaps it's attributed to XBOne taking the stage first? This would support other comments I've read on here that Microsoft needs to jockey E3 to NOT be the first one on stage every year. Or perhaps it's the typical, biased drum the media unremittingly beat again Microsoft.

    There was another site (geek.com maybe, I don't remember) bragging how XBOne practically has no exclusives coming and how the PS4 has Destiny coming first. How did they miss the numerous titles "coming first" to XBOne? And honestly, I couldn't care less about the "coming first" or "beta first" or DLC exclusives to any particular console. It waters down the excitement, IMO. What happened to the game is released on X date? No betas. No DLC if per-ordered on XYZ console. No exclusive maps. It's stupid. Stop buying into it so Publishers stop pushing it. Ok, I'm getting away from the topic.....

    Some sites totally ignored the almost two dozen announcements by Microsoft. CNET (oh God, why do I still go there?) has an article stating Microsoft plays it safe, maybe too safe, at E3 - CNET. WAT?? I had to make a comment here because I was blown away by the complete apathy towards XBOne announcing over a dozen games. Will the madness ever end?

    PS - I miss you, Nintendo.
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    06-10-2014 09:14 AM
  2. ncxcstud's Avatar
    Yeah, I think there is a bias towards Sony and against MS at the moment.

    I think most of the articles written for/during Sony's conference were for multi-platform news - GTAV, No Man's Sky (console exclusive debut), MGS5, etc...

    I liked MS conference mostly because there was a minimal of talking. Sony's dragged - hard - in the second half. There was some good news out of it, and as a MS fan I had to roll my eyes with a few of the digs that Sony threw towards MS (though, I get it... I'm more a humble leader type...)
    06-10-2014 09:32 AM
  3. TheJoester09's Avatar
    What bothers me is that last year, the criticism was that MS focussed too much on the non-gamer stuff, and not enough on the games. Fast forward to this year, and MS is now "playing it safe" by only discussing games, while Sony gets praised for announcing hardware and non-gaming content.

    I just read an article from WJS:

    "Microsoft was focusing on games and nothing else, while Sony also talked about movie and TV shows in the works, along with some hardware. The Sony PlayStation TV console is coming to the U.S. later in the year, after its successful launch in Japan last year, and owners will be able to stream games to their connected TV from the PS4.

    Forbes gave its take in this headline: 'Sony Wins E3, by a nose'. 'Microsoft was trying to redefine itself, playing it safe and trying to make it through the day without becoming an object of derision. Sony, on the other hand, was just enjoying being Sony,' said Forbes."

    MS just can't win.
    06-10-2014 09:41 AM
  4. TonyDedrick's Avatar
    I have to admit I have yet to finish watching Sony's press conference. However, I do think MS played it safe. Doesn't necessarily mean the content wasn't exciting (or at least the stuff that wasn't a FPS was personally). I just think it was a reaction to the criticism they got from last year. That much was clear as they kept reiterating focusing on games and gamers
    06-10-2014 09:44 AM
  5. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    Oh, it's terrible. When I was on Engadget, they had more EA articles than Microsoft ones. They had articles about EA's unannounced games, yet barely a peep about Microsoft's stuff. They gave YouTune on PS4 an article all its own...hasn't that been on the One for a while?

    Saw a BGR article linked on Yahoo about how Sony won E3 because they talked about more than games, while that's all Microsoft focused on.

    It's like, what the hell was 2013, where everyone dumped on Microsft for talking TV and such, while Sony was praised for the games? Really, they're praising Sony for announcing stuff Microsoft already did last year. They get praised for TV features not even on-par with Microsoft's, while people call Microsoft's all-games stuff ho-hum and boring. It's like the major headline goal for E3 is to see what Microsoft does, and praise ANYTHING else.
    06-10-2014 10:02 AM
  6. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    By the way, what does it say about US that we're complaining about the media coverage, but an E3 thread isn't even in this forum?
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    06-10-2014 10:05 AM
  7. ncxcstud's Avatar
    By the way, what does it say about US that we're complaining about the media coverage, but an E3 thread isn't even in this forum?
    I fixed that ;)
    06-10-2014 10:25 AM
  8. HeyCori's Avatar
    I gotta give it to Microsoft by a mile. Even if you didn't like Microsoft's games/announcements, the actual presentation was far superior. Microsoft was streamlined, focused, highlighted the games and made sure presentations were quick and to the point. It all had a great flow and was entertaining from beginning to the end.

    Sony was nearly the complete opposite. Presenters rambled, game announcements were sandwiched between TV shows and accessories, nothing really flowed together and ultimately the Sony conference felt like it dragged on forever. It was laughably bad by the end. Sony had a lot of content to show but most of it was either multi-platform, beta, accessory or TV related. Sony showcased the upcoming TV show Powers with concept art. Seriously? Concept art! That's like the beta of a beta. It doesn't belong on stage and I don't need Brian lol character development Bendis presenting it.

    Yes, I do feel that the media would have lambasted Microsoft had they focused on TV shows, accessories and multi-platform games. Yet, Sony is getting a complete pass. This E3 only proved that Sony is also going for the all-in-one entertainment system, the same as Microsoft, but clearly the two aren't being judged equally.
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    06-10-2014 10:29 AM
  9. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    The problem for Microsoft's games, though, was the lack of information. What is Scalebound? What is Phantom Dust (and why is it worth a remake)? How big is Horizon 2? The stuff we knew was either Halo, Sunset Overdrive, or multi-platform (Evolve, Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty). Even the indie stuff was like "here are 2 indie games, and then we're going to have others." We got no real information. They focused on quantity of games over quality of information, sadly.
    06-10-2014 10:54 AM
  10. HeyCori's Avatar
    The problem for Microsoft's games, though, was the lack of information. What is Scalebound? What is Phantom Dust (and why is it worth a remake)? How big is Horizon 2? The stuff we knew was either Halo, Sunset Overdrive, or multi-platform (Evolve, Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty). Even the indie stuff was like "here are 2 indie games, and then we're going to have others." We got no real information. They focused on quantity of games over quality of information, sadly.
    That's the same criticism you could give to Sony's conference. What's Bloodbone? Where were the details about Uncharted? Why should I care about a Grim Fandango remake if they're not going to show it? The problems you mention weren't unique to Microsoft.
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    06-10-2014 11:02 AM
  11. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    I agree. I didn't watch Sony though, because I don't care about the PS4--and it wasn't on Spyke. I didn't feel like looking for the stream once the time came, went to Target instead (got Zoo Tycoon for $11 and spent $10 on games to trade in for about $35 at Best Buy, haha).

    I mostly just mean that Microsoft had a lot of neat stuff, but not much on any of it. I guess Sony won out in the sense that they didn't just pummel you with unknowns; that's where the "other stuff" presentations helped them. I still think praising Sony for what Microsoft already did is dumb, but I can see where some of the weakness in E3 was for them. However, that was E3-wide. Ubisoft is the only one who really showed off a lot of gameplay; EA gave useless trailers and words, nothing substantial beyond Battlefield.
    06-10-2014 11:21 AM
  12. testement's Avatar
    Got to agree I thought the Microsoft E3 was very good without execs after exec talking rubbish after every video.
    And how the media are saying Sony won cause they showed new hardware,
    PlayStation TV (a Vita in a box) and a white PS4.
    I would've said Nintendo had the best showing followed by Microsoft then Sony third.
    Looks like I'm not one of the cool kids anymore
    06-10-2014 05:23 PM
  13. Jas00555's Avatar
    hmm.... I'm not so sure its right to criticize CNET for this. I mean, this article looks pretty fair

    http://www.cnet.com/news/microsoft-a...nt-at-e3-2014/

    The only bias I see from CNET is from Jeff Backalar, most of the other writers are pretty fair.
    06-10-2014 05:34 PM
  14. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    I just don't see the point of Nintendo's E3. IMO, those are all likely to be late-2015 releases, meaning we'd just see them at E3 next year anyway.
    06-10-2014 05:35 PM
  15. Jas00555's Avatar
    IMO, I think that Microsoft won this round. I mean, look at their 2014 releases....

    PS4:
    LBP3
    The Last of Us: Remastered

    X1:
    Forza Horizon 2
    Halo: MC Collection
    Sunset Overdrive
    Dance Central Spotlight
    Fantasia
    Project Spark

    There are 3x as many exclusives coming this year for the Xbox compared to the PlayStation, and one of them is just a remasteded game that came out recently. I mean, sure Sony had some nice games, but most of them aren't even coming out until next year, and anything coming in 2015 kind of makes me less excited for it.
    06-10-2014 06:27 PM
  16. kingkoopa09's Avatar
    Microsoft won this hands down Sony didn't show me not a single curve ball much same games even further release. I love last of us bit once you beat it once or twice it kinda sits there, lb3 is nothing compared to what project spark already offers, and u must remember Microsoft did a lot of announcements before e3 to save time like all the new entertainment apps, plus we already get nearly biweekly updates thru beta, plus all the new exclusives coming this year and next year. Sony did a whole event on what two games everybody has know about since before ps4 dropped and the Destin info is ancient I yawned at the whole announcement. I guess if its not broke don't fix it says Sony
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    06-10-2014 06:40 PM
  17. TonyDedrick's Avatar
    I just don't see the point of Nintendo's E3. IMO, those are all likely to be late-2015 releases, meaning we'd just see them at E3 next year anyway.
    Seem to be an equal number of announcements from all three that isn't coming till 2015. I think a late 2015 release seems about accurate for Zelda and Star Fox. But back to your point on whether they should have shown these games based on their release year. Same could have been said about MS and Halo 5. We wont see that until late 2015. So should they not have showcased it?
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    06-11-2014 09:41 AM
  18. WanderingTraveler's Avatar
    I just don't see the point of Nintendo's E3. IMO, those are all likely to be late-2015 releases, meaning we'd just see them at E3 next year anyway.
    Finished watching it, and while they threw a lot of curveballs, they didn't exactly throw a lot to outdo the others.

    And Nintendo E3 is all about the Wii U. Third parties are picking up the slack just fine on the 3DS anyway.

    By the wat, I can now confidently say that no one won E3. I can only see Sony as a loser, and MS and Nintendo as joint winners. The latter because they did what they needed to do: Show people some incentive in buying the Wii U. The former because they actually got me interested in their lineup.
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    06-11-2014 09:52 AM
  19. TonyDedrick's Avatar
    I gotta admit, Zelda was the only thing I was looking forward to from Nintendo. Not to say I wont be in line day one for the Ruby and Saphire remakes, and SSMB or that Yoshi: Woolly World didn't look amazing or fun. But I wanted to see Zelda and they didn't disappoint in at least teasing for something new. The open world look of it is exciting and it looks absolutely fabulous.

    As for the MS, again it was a "play it safe" presentation. But I will say, Crackdown has maybe got me leaning more towards getting a Xbone when (or if) I only had to choose one or the other (the other being PS4).
    06-11-2014 11:42 AM
  20. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    Seem to be an equal number of announcements from all three that isn't coming till 2015. I think a late 2015 release seems about accurate for Zelda and Star Fox. But back to your point on whether they should have shown these games based on their release year. Same could have been said about MS and Halo 5. We wont see that until late 2015. So should they not have showcased it?
    That MIGHT be the case (though I'd imagine the 2015 count was something like 6-4, in favor of Microsoft), but the problem is that EVERYTHING meaningful was announced as 2015 for Nintendo--and no one believes Zelda will make it before 2016. Like I said, that means that E3 2105 will likely be really redundant. Microsoft MIGHT have had about the same number of 2015 games announced as Nintendo, but the difference is in the fact that Nintendo put their 2015 games with only 2 or 3 2014 ones, while Microsoft threw out probably a dozen 2014 titles (before counting indie).

    Nintendo's going to offer some great games, when they get to offering games. Microsoft's got the quantity on lock though, and a good deal of it looks high-quality as well. The main reason for that is third-party though, because I don't know if the Wii U is going to see games like Unity, The Crew, Siege, The Division, Hardline, Advanced Warfare, Madden, NHL, Dragon Age, and the rest of the mile-long list of games from devs abandoning the platform.

    But, through all of my negative comments, remember this: I just got a Wii U, and I'll be picking up games because Nintendo still offers great experiences the others don't even try to compete with. My One doesn't offer things like Mario Party, Tropical Freeze, SSB, or Wooly World.
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    06-11-2014 12:16 PM
  21. WanderingTraveler's Avatar
    Judging by the third-party announcements, I can see why Nintendo didn't show anything new for the 3DS.

    For the Wii U? Nada (other than what they showed during the Nintendo Minute...and Indies). I'm hoping to see at least something from the Treehouse events they show. They better show Starfox soon.

    I'll probably wait till 2015 to get a Wii U, then till 2016 before I decide whether to get a PS4 or an XBOne.
    06-11-2014 09:25 PM
  22. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    For the record of those interested in looking at a console:

    Best Buy is giving a $50 coupon for any console (not sure if there is a generation minimum--doubt they take Atari) traded towards a One. In addition, if you give a 250-GB slim PS3 or 360 (or better), you are guaranteed $100 in credit, meaning a minimum trade-in value of $150 towards a One...ends this week.

    GameStop is giving a few, which I will break down (they do not stack):

    --50% extra credit for any console when trading towards a PS4 or One...ends 7/13
    --$50 for any Wii, when traded towards a Wii U...ends 6/22
    --$50 extra credit for any console when trading towards a PS4...ends tomorrow, 6/12
    --$100 guaranteed for any 12-GB PS3 or original/4-GB slim 360, when traded towards a PS4; $150 for a 20-GB or higher PS3 or 250-GB or higher 360
    ---------Note for GameStop: If you want a One, but still want the trade offers for the PS4, you can kind-of get them. You can do a trade for a PS4, then put the credit towards the Destiny PS4 bundle. You can then cancel the pre-order a few days later, get the credit, and put it towards a One.
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    06-11-2014 09:51 PM
  23. minus365's Avatar
    I watched only MS conference and it was better than expected. It had great flow, game after game, no long talking, but only games, games, games. Exactly what Phil was anouncing before E3.
    I was bit dissapointed that there wasn't any unexpected AAA exclusive bomb, that wouldnt leak before the event. Yeah, there is Halo5, Halo MC collection, Sunset, etc. which are great calls, but if there would be 1 one huge exclusive title, something totally unexpected, Alan Wake2 for example :D, it would be all about MS.

    One thing that surprised me too is that they didn't talk more about Crackdown3 and Cloudgine. Open-world destructible environment fully generated from cloud!!! That's a next BIG thing, gives us huuge posisilbities for next years. For me personally, it's the brightest moment of the E3.

    I was bit surprised that media didn't call MS as a clear winner of this E3. I think, whatever MS does it never gets same support from media as Sony, even Sony is doing just fraction of what MS has up and running for a while now. Sony and their half baken developer demos and cgi trailers, Vita TV and white PS4, lol. what else? multiplatforms, + tlou remastered, booooring. Uncharted4 - cgi trailer showing nothing and fanboys are drooling.
    Sony can't compete MS in technolgoies, cloud and stuff. They know nothing about cloud and cloud computing, MS has it up and running.
    It's really shame for MS, that media doesn't show appreciation MS would deserve. They need to keep up what they are doing as I think future is bright on Xbox.

    Game on!!!
    06-12-2014 04:15 AM
  24. WanderingTraveler's Avatar
    I watched only MS conference and it was better than expected. It had great flow, game after game, no long talking, but only games, games, games. Exactly what Phil was anouncing before E3.
    I was bit dissapointed that there wasn't any unexpected AAA exclusive bomb, that wouldnt leak before the event. Yeah, there is Halo5, Halo MC collection, Sunset, etc. which are great calls, but if there would be 1 one huge exclusive title, something totally unexpected, Alan Wake2 for example :D, it would be all about MS.

    One thing that surprised me too is that they didn't talk more about Crackdown3 and Cloudgine. Open-world destructible environment fully generated from cloud!!! That's a next BIG thing, gives us huuge posisilbities for next years. For me personally, it's the brightest moment of the E3.

    I was bit surprised that media didn't call MS as a clear winner of this E3. I think, whatever MS does it never gets same support from media as Sony, even Sony is doing just fraction of what MS has up and running for a while now. Sony and their half baken developer demos and cgi trailers, Vita TV and white PS4, lol. what else? multiplatforms, + tlou remastered, booooring. Uncharted4 - cgi trailer showing nothing and fanboys are drooling.
    Sony can't compete MS in technolgoies, cloud and stuff. They know nothing about cloud and cloud computing, MS has it up and running.
    It's really shame for MS, that media doesn't show appreciation MS would deserve. They need to keep up what they are doing as I think future is bright on Xbox.

    Game on!!!
    Sony was praised for what Microsoft was criticized for last year.
    Microsoft was criticized for what Sony was praised for last year.
    That's the reaction to the two conferences were, based on what I can glean.
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    06-12-2014 08:04 AM
  25. wpn00b's Avatar
    ***BEFORE YOU CLICK THE LINK, SEE POST immediately after MINE***
    What bothers me is that last year, the criticism was that MS focussed too much on the non-gamer stuff, and not enough on the games. Fast forward to this year, and MS is now "playing it safe" by only discussing games, while Sony gets praised for announcing hardware and non-gaming content.

    I just read an article from WJS:

    "Microsoft was focusing on games and nothing else, while Sony also talked about movie and TV shows in the works, along with some hardware. The Sony PlayStation TV console is coming to the U.S. later in the year, after its successful launch in Japan last year, and owners will be able to stream games to their connected TV from the PS4.

    Forbes gave its take in this headline: 'Sony Wins E3, by a nose'. 'Microsoft was trying to redefine itself, playing it safe and trying to make it through the day without becoming an object of derision. Sony, on the other hand, was just enjoying being Sony,' said Forbes."

    MS just can't win.
    I was going to start a thread but searched until I found this one. I was over at BGR and the very first post in the comment section from the article linked below said this:

    "Microsoft talks about TV - omg so lame
    Sony talks about TV - omg best E3 evah'

    175 โ–ณ"

    Yes that is 175 upvotes so far. If you agree go there(below) and upvote that comment.

    http://bgr.com/2014/06/10/ps4-vs-xbox-one-e3-2014/
    Last edited by wpn00b; 06-13-2014 at 11:13 PM.
    06-13-2014 09:38 PM
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