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  1. coip's Avatar
    Anything to back that claim up?
    Yep, go to the site and then click on the link that discusses their "methodology"--with your first clue that they don't know what they're doing being that they have a section called "methodology". Methodology is the study of employing methods, not a description of the methods one uses. Anyone with a statistics degree--or anyone who even took a course in statistics--knows this.

    Then you can read their admission that their sales data are "estimates", based on the following dubious and statistically meaningless methods:
    •Passively polling end users to find out what games they are currently purchasing and playing
    •Polling retail partners to find out what games and hardware they are selling
    •Using statistical trend fitting and historical data for similar games
    •Studying resell prices to determine consumer demand and inventory levels
    •Consulting with publishers and manufacturers to find out how many units they are introducing into the channel


    Their data only become reliable after companies like Microsoft, Nintendo, or Sony announce official sales numbers, in which case VGchartz then hastily corrects their flawed estimates, leaving no archive of how badly they were off.
    09-10-2014 07:54 PM
  2. coip's Avatar
    Well, it seems that Xbox One sales in Japan are even more abysmal than everyone had thought they would be. Very frustrating to see it get so little appreciation there, especially since the bundles they launched were such a great bargain.
    09-25-2014 11:36 AM
  3. unstoppablekem's Avatar
    Well, it seems that Xbox One sales in Japan are even more abysmal than everyone had thought they would be. Very frustrating to see it get so little appreciation there, especially since the bundles they launched were such a great bargain.
    I said that a few weeks ago in the comments, and you got mad at me. :P
    09-26-2014 10:02 PM
  4. coip's Avatar
    I said that a few weeks ago in the comments, and you got mad at me. :P
    I don't quite recall that, but I believe that was because you were referring to a click-bait article that had declared Xbox One to be selling poorly in Japan based on zero sales data (i.e. no evidence). Now we have evidence (actual sales numbers), and therefore it is a fair topic of discussion. I was never doubting that the Xbox One would sell poorly in Japan (although, I didn't think it'd be this bad)--I was lambasting the sorry state of Internet journalism where people fabricate 'facts' out of circumstantial evidence.
    09-28-2014 05:13 PM
  5. unstoppablekem's Avatar
    I don't quite recall that, but I believe that was because you were referring to a click-bait article that had declared Xbox One to be selling poorly in Japan based on zero sales data (i.e. no evidence). Now we have evidence (actual sales numbers), and therefore it is a fair topic of discussion. I was never doubting that the Xbox One would sell poorly in Japan (although, I didn't think it'd be this bad)--I was lambasting the sorry state of Internet journalism where people fabricate 'facts' out of circumstantial evidence.
    Well it was obvious, one person was in line...
    09-28-2014 05:37 PM
  6. coip's Avatar
    Well it was obvious, one person was in line...
    One person was in line at one store, in one district, of one city. That doesn't tell us anything, particularly with the rise of home delivery services and online retailers. Yes, it turned out to be an indicator that sales were lower than expected, but it was not scientifically valid to extrapolate that from the information at hand at the time. Ergo, it was shoddy journalism.
    09-29-2014 01:59 AM
  7. unstoppablekem's Avatar
    One person was in line at one store, in one district, of one city. That doesn't tell us anything, particularly with the rise of home delivery services and online retailers. Yes, it turned out to be an indicator that sales were lower than expected, but it was not scientifically valid to extrapolate that from the information at hand at the time. Ergo, it was shoddy journalism.
    You realize the PS4 had a long line in Japan and a lot of popularity compared to the Xbox one launch there? That made it quite obvious the Xbox wasn't going to sell well there. It was obvious before it was even launched...
    09-29-2014 02:00 AM
  8. rex.reyesiii's Avatar
    I wonder what exlusive games could convince the Market there(Japan) to buy an XBox One? The next Forza Horizon should be set I guess here in Asia. :D
    09-29-2014 06:59 AM
  9. coip's Avatar
    You realize the PS4 had a long line in Japan and a lot of popularity compared to the Xbox one launch there? That made it quite obvious the Xbox wasn't going to sell well there. It was obvious before it was even launched...
    People standing in line isn't quantitative evidence. Sales numbers are quantitative evidence. Journalists were taking the suggestive evidence of people standing in line vs. people not standing in line and using it to factually imply sales numbers. You can't do that. Only sales numbers can be sales numbers. I'm not arguing that the PS4 didn't sell well in Japan (actually, it's not selling that well, although its launch was decent) or that the Xbox One was expected to sell well but didn't (no one expected it to sell well). I'm saying that, from a statistical point of view, you cannot make quantitative claims based on flimsy qualitative evidence. And that is exactly what journalists were doing.
    09-29-2014 09:19 AM
  10. coip's Avatar
    I wonder what exlusive games could convince the Market there(Japan) to buy an XBox One? The next Forza Horizon should be set I guess here in Asia. :D
    I would think the recently released D4: Dark Dreams Don't Die would've helped a little bit, as it's a quirky, niche game by a Japanese developer, but it doesn't seem to have received much promotional efforts from Microsoft, which is unfortunate because the game is good and the Kinect controls in it are fantastic.
    09-29-2014 09:21 AM
  11. rex.reyesiii's Avatar
    Here again, the media(well if its true then...) vilifying Microsoft for the Assasin's Creed Unity ResGate :D

    The Xbox One-only demo (Assassin’s Creed Unity was also the first game to be shown at Microsoft’s Gamescom press conference in August) also suggests some sort of back room deal to keep it that way.

    That’s something both companies are never likely to admit, even if it’s true, but with last year’s Assassin’s Creed IV Ubisoft did release a patch after launch to increase the PlayStation 4 version to 1080p.
    10-07-2014 05:01 AM
  12. coip's Avatar
    NPD numbers were released yesterday. This marks 9 straight months that the PS4 has outsold the Xbox One in the U.S.--a market where the 360 completely dominated the PS3. This is despite the fact that Xbox One saw several exclusives released (Dance Central Spotlight, D4: Dark Dreams Don't Die, and Forza Horizon 2--all of them excellent games, by the way) and had a deal where you could buy a new Xbox One and get 2 free games out of it--including the massively popular but otherwise mediocre game, Destiny--along with either the pre-bundled Madden 15 non-Kinect SKUor the pre-bundled Forza 5 Kinect SKU. So, new consumers could get an Xbox One, Madden 15, and Destiny (or any other game) for $399--the same price as a new PS4 with zero games--and PS4 still outsold the Xbox One. This is mind-boggling to me. I don't get it, at all.

    If the Xbox One doesn't outsell PS4 in October and November, with even more exclusive games launching (Sunset Overdrive and Fantasia in October, and Halo: Master Chief Collection in November) and even more amazing bundles (Sunset Overdrive bundle at $399, CoD bundle with 1TB hard drive at $499, or the 2-game Assassin's Creed bundle without Kinect at $399 or the 3-game Assassin's Creed bundle with Kinect at $499), then I've lost what little hope I have left in the gaming industry.
    10-17-2014 11:10 AM
  13. JHunsaker's Avatar
    I am not really sure why it matters if Xbox one outsells ps4. I have an Xbox one and love it. If the Xbox one starts outselling ps4, what is going to change? Answer, nothing. It's not like Xbox one isn't selling at all.
    10-17-2014 11:20 AM
  14. coip's Avatar
    I am not really sure why it matters if Xbox one outsells ps4. I have an Xbox one and love it. If the Xbox one starts outselling ps4, what is going to change? Answer, nothing. It's not like Xbox one isn't selling at all.
    Numerous previous posts in this thread explain why it matters: the best-selling platform becomes the lead platform for development, meaning it gets more exclusive games and multiplatform games are better optimized for it. That's one big reason why.

    Another reason why is that poor Xbox One sales will hurt industry innovation, particularly innovation with Kinect, and that would be unfortunate as 1. many people enjoy motion- and voice-controlled games, and 2. some people (e.g. disabled gamers) can only enjoy such games.
    10-17-2014 01:02 PM
  15. JHunsaker's Avatar
    I don't really agree that the best selling platform automatically becomes the lead platform for development. I am sure there are many more factors than that. Such as the studios familiarity with the development tools for a given platform, along with that is the ease of development, and another is power of the console. Sure sales of the console is one of the factors but it is not like the ps4 is outselling Xbox one 10 to 1. Xbox one is still selling really well.
    10-17-2014 03:03 PM
  16. unstoppablekem's Avatar
    Tbh, the thing still holding xbox back is mainly it's inferior hardware to the ps4, and the clunky design (ik why they did that, but a tad thinner and lighter would be nice, and vertical position would be great).

    But I like the xbox one exclusives better, xbox live is better, and the software is BY FAR superior!
    10-17-2014 09:59 PM
  17. rex.reyesiii's Avatar
    Tbh, the thing still holding xbox back is mainly it's inferior hardware to the ps4, and the clunky design (ik why they did that, but a tad thinner and lighter would be nice, and vertical position would be great).

    But I like the xbox one exclusives better, xbox live is better, and the software is BY FAR superior!
    The hardware is "larger" because of the Cooling System afaik, and afaik also the only inferior part is the GDDR3 ram.

    imho 900p on 60/30fps is ok. e.g. Evil Within, I thought I saw gameplay videos on youtube where I thought to myself that the PS4 version looks great specially the water/rainfall in the beginning but overall it wasn't running as smooth as on the XB1.
    *can't post the links for now...
    10-22-2014 06:31 AM
  18. FearL0rd's Avatar
    Fifa PS4 x XO
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    10-23-2014 10:43 AM
  19. FearL0rd's Avatar
    Sony Lies in E3

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    10-23-2014 10:46 AM
  20. rex.reyesiii's Avatar
    ^more of that on MisterXmedia...

    Anyway I heard news that there were patches for Evil Within to fix the framerates. Haven't found the videos yet though...
    10-23-2014 10:55 PM
  21. jonnaver's Avatar
    I don't really agree that the best selling platform automatically becomes the lead platform for development. I am sure there are many more factors than that. Such as the studios familiarity with the development tools for a given platform, along with that is the ease of development, and another is power of the console. Sure sales of the console is one of the factors but it is not like the ps4 is outselling Xbox one 10 to 1. Xbox one is still selling really well.
    It certainly matters for mobile development. You would think that with how massive the presence of android is today that they would no longer be getting games after iOS does, but iOS is still the first to get developed for.
    11-01-2014 11:37 AM
  22. Ben_linux's Avatar
    Sorry in advance for my poor English.

    I'm French and I wanted to share my point of view about this topic which I found really interesting . ( In our forums, war between consoles turn very quickly into insults and moderation ) . A lot of friends, and I think I can say, a lot of European are going / will go for the PS4, and I'll try to explain why.

    I own both PS3 and X360. As a WP lover, and as a Microsoft and Sony Lover, I had no bad ideas about MS nor Sony. ( but I already had PSone and PS2 slim, PSP and Vita) . I began to buy the PS3, when I was obliged to : When Capcom released Street Fighter 4. I choosed the PS3 because a lot of friends had it, plus it has bluray support, which was pretty great back in 2008 at this price.
    But, sadly my PS3 ( brand new), had a lot of problems, reboots, bugs. And worse, the Online was a total garbage. And you can't play a game like SF4 with a bad online mode, because it's frame perfect. So I decided to sell the PS3 and bought Xbox 360 . It was the pack with Forza and Alan Wake. It really blown my mind :This 2 games were really good, plus the SF4 for 360 was like the Arcade version : Lag free. Okay I needed to pay for playing online, but at least It was a good online.
    Then, I re-bought a ps3 in occasions months ago because I really wanted to play the Uncharted trilogy, god of war, and last of us. Now I still have both, and I use my PS3 as a netlfix / bluray player, and the 360 for Ultra street 4.

    I told you that just to say that I was NOT in favor of Sony, nor Microsoft. In fact, I play much more on the 360 so in my mind I would have go for the excellent Xbox One first. But they did a lot of mistakes. Here they are :

    - They did a really bad marketing in their conference. Ok Sony's one was not that great, but still better than the online conference that I see in middle of the night here in France from MS, and I nearly felt asleep because It was really boring.

    - Sony's marketing was really effective : Unlike the PS3, they focuses on telling customers that it was: 100eur cheaper than the One, yet more powerfull. AND, cherry on the cake, It will be really easy to make games on it thanks to its PC architecture, so they won't have troubles like they had with the PS3 cell's engine.

    - A really bad thing here : Microsoft stopped the development of games for the 360 : Actually there is NO games at all ( I mean, AAA games, or big licenses) for the X360. They basically just are saying : The One is the new console, so buy it and stop playing 360. It shows that they don't care about the actual customers of the 360. Meanwhile, Sony is still providing great games like The Last Of Us, which really proves they support their machines as long as they can.

    - MS did some legendary bad communications, like this one :
    "No internet for Xbox One? Get an Xbox 360 then, says Microsoft." Here we really thought ( well, we are still thinking) they make fun of us.

    - They shouldn't have stop their vision : Yes the One was more expensive than ps4, but at least they have a vision and the envy to push a big thing with the implementation of Kinect into our rooms. They just stopped that, and I think this is an error because even if it's 100eur expensiver ( can I say that ? lol) than the ps4, If they have successfully prove that It can bring really new game experiences, peoples will be OK to put 500 € in the One. It was their better, bigger bet, and they just cancel it.

    - They have no luck, because the launch of their gaming system was in the same period of the storys with the NSA, and as you know the One still need to "hear" what you say to turn on your console. Here in Europe, everybody was like " Hey I don't want the NSA hear all my conversations" . A day I was in a friend's house who bought the One day one, and he even had put a thsirt on the kinect's camera. I asked why, he said " You know, I don't want everyone see me..."

    - Here in Europe, the vocal recognition is just crap. We were 2m away from the kinect, and we wanted to navigate inside the menu, and it was the hell, because it don't understand us. But It probably works great in the US.

    - A lot of PS4 games are going to be exclusive, in particular if you like fighting games : Guily gear, SF5, and they talk about Tekken 7. In Japan everyone says that Monster Hunter license is coming to an end very soon with Nintendo, and they just will work with Sony.

    Well, I hope you had the brave to read my bad english . Just to tell you that here in Europe, we like the One as much as the PS4, but really, the communication from MS is **** here . And It lacks a vision in longterm they had when they first presented the One.
    11-02-2014 08:10 AM
  23. neville1355's Avatar
    The hardware is "larger" because of the Cooling System afaik, and afaik also the only inferior part is the GDDR3 ram.
    The PS4 has a faster processor as well. RAM + Processor is a driving factor. No surprise to see multi-plat after multi-plat get a higher res on PS4.
    11-12-2014 05:37 PM
  24. RZR666's Avatar
    I've gone back to PlayStation as my main console of choice in this generation, there's no excuse for the XBox not to be hitting 1080p.

    It's not just that though, Microsofts launch was a disaster with all the backtracking, even removing the Kinect I thought was a bad move because no those early adopters are stuck with something that's not going to be as well supported, had it been if everyone had one.
    11-19-2014 05:40 AM
  25. FearL0rd's Avatar
    I've gone back to PlayStation as my main console of choice in this generation, there's no excuse for the XBox not to be hitting 1080p.

    It's not just that though, Microsofts launch was a disaster with all the backtracking, even removing the Kinect I thought was a bad move because no those early adopters are stuck with something that's not going to be as well supported, had it been if everyone had one.
    Lol
    11-27-2014 12:11 PM
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