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  1. FearL0rd's Avatar
    EUROGAMER talking about the evolution of XBONE. They are saying things that MIsterX said a long time ago.

    The evolution of Xbox One - as told by the SDK leak • Eurogamer.net
    01-12-2015 07:42 AM
  2. coip's Avatar
    Remember the cost of console hardware is offset by increased software and peripheral prices, whereas PCs are the other way around.
    Actually, console gaming allows you to buy and sell used games. Can't do that on PC. So any price-point advantage you think PC gaming has over console gaming, in regards to games and peripherals is negligible, at best, but most likely, nonexistent. This is also why I included the caveat "for all but a niche of gamers" in my original post. Do you have any idea how many games one would have to buy more cheaply on PC to compensate for the higher costs of the hardware? A lot. So much that only 99.99% of gamers would even have a chance of doing so and, at that point, it doesn't matter anymore because the findings aren't generalizable--never mind that you would still have to go through the hassle of upgrading your hardware multiple times in a decade.
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    01-12-2015 10:59 AM
  3. FearL0rd's Avatar
    01-13-2015 07:33 AM
  4. rex.reyesiii's Avatar
    Actually, console gaming allows you to buy and sell used games. Can't do that on PC. So any price-point advantage you think PC gaming has over console gaming, in regards to games and peripherals is negligible, at best, but most likely, nonexistent. ..
    In my country people who sell their used games prices are almost equal with the new PC game discs.
    01-14-2015 04:00 AM
  5. FearL0rd's Avatar
    In my country people who sell their used games prices are almost equal with the new PC game discs.
    90% of the world uses steam. most af the games does have dvd's anymore
    01-14-2015 12:00 PM
  6. Crasstoe's Avatar
    90% of the world uses steam. most af the games does have dvd's anymore

    I smell something... BS!

    90% of the world doesn't own a PC or laptop.

    Also 9/10 facts on the internet are undisputedly true.
    01-14-2015 06:03 PM
  7. FearL0rd's Avatar
    I smell something... BS!

    90% of the world doesn't own a PC or laptop.

    Also 9/10 facts on the internet are undisputedly true.
    90% of pc users... Just check them sales between dvd and steam+origin. U Will see the true
    01-14-2015 06:29 PM
  8. Todd Robinson's Avatar
    Just thought I would chime in. This is my opinion, but I think that there is a good chance with the introduction of windows 10 that PC gaming and console gaming maybe intertwined. I have a feeling based on the little bit I am hearing, it is not that far of a stretch to see Xbox one able to stream PC games through someone's home internet. Since both have the same operating system and play on currently works in a similar fashion (steam uses an outdated version of streaming to other pcs), I see no reason why you couldn't have a backended high spec'd PC streaming on a Xbox one. The simplicity of an Xbox one combined with the power of a windows 10 PC.
    01-14-2015 08:16 PM
  9. FearL0rd's Avatar
    Forza 6 Announced -
    Day/Night cycle .
    Dynamic weather. Snow / rain / hailing.
    Each rain drop on paint surface
    Raytrace

    https://beta.m.box.com/shared_item/h...rzamotorsport6
    01-15-2015 09:21 AM
  10. FearL0rd's Avatar
    From Stardock CEO, Brad Wardell.. (DX11 x DX12)

    DirectX 11 vs. DirectX 12 oversimplified with Brad Wardell
    "
    DirectX 11: Your CPU communicates to the GPU 1 core to 1 core at a time. It is still a big boost over DirectX 9 where only 1 dedicated thread was allowed to talk to the GPU but it’s still only scratching the surface.
    DirectX 12: Every core can talk to the GPU at the same time and, depending on the driver, I could theoretically start taking control and talking to all those cores.
    That’s basically the difference. Oversimplified to be sure but it’s why everyone is so excited about this.
    The GPU wars will really take off as each vendor will now be able to come up with some amazing tools to offload work onto GPUs.
    "

    "
    Your theoretical improvement in performance is (N-1)X100% where N is how many cores you have. That’s not what you’ll really get. No one writes perfect parallelized code and no GPU is at 0% saturation. But you get the idea.
    "

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    GDC
    Pay very very close attention to GDC this year. Even if you’re an OpenGL fan. NVidia, AMD, Microsoft, Intel and Sony have a unified goal. Something is about to happen. Something wonderful.


    "
    01-15-2015 09:41 AM
  11. FearL0rd's Avatar
    Naughty Dog won't push Uncharted 4 to 60fps if it compromises player experience LOL

    Naughty Dog won't push Uncharted 4 to 60fps if it compromises player experience - Uncharted 4: A Thief's End for PS4 News
    01-15-2015 09:53 AM
  12. coip's Avatar
    NPD numbers are in. Xbox One outsold PS4 for the 2nd straight month: December 2014 and November 2014.
    01-15-2015 08:11 PM
  13. Crasstoe's Avatar
    Looks like the market has some healthy competition - I am pleased... For now anyway.





    My concern is if Sony sell off their mobile division how long before PlayStation is spun into its own company outside Sony (as the Sony ship sinks into debt and administration), does the games market stagnate due to lack of competition?
    01-15-2015 08:48 PM
  14. Luisraul924's Avatar
    Looks like the market has some healthy competition - I am pleased... For now anyway.





    My concern is if Sony sell off their mobile division how long before PlayStation is spun into its own company outside Sony (as the Sony ship sinks into debt and administration), does the games market stagnate due to lack of competition?
    This is what I'm afraid of. I'm all about Xbox One but Microsoft would definitely love to rest on its laurels if given the opportunity I think. And that is no bueno for the awesomeness we've come to expect from the Xbox name.
    01-15-2015 09:40 PM
  15. coip's Avatar
    Looks like the market has some healthy competition - I am pleased... For now anyway.My concern is if Sony sell off their mobile division how long before PlayStation is spun into its own company outside Sony (as the Sony ship sinks into debt and administration), does the games market stagnate due to lack of competition?
    I am not that concerned about that. The Playstation brand is healthy. If they spun it off from Sony, it won't suddenly die off. Besides, there is a lot more to the gaming industry than Xbox and Playstation: Nintendo, Steam, Origin, the iOS app store, and Google Play are major players, and Amazon is trying to get into the game as well. There is a ton of competition.
    01-16-2015 08:59 AM
  16. Luisraul924's Avatar
    I am not that concerned about that. The Playstation brand is healthy. If they spun it off from Sony, it won't suddenly die off. Besides, there is a lot more to the gaming industry than Xbox and Playstation: Nintendo, Steam, Origin, the iOS app store, and Google Play are major players, and Amazon is trying to get into the game as well. There is a ton of competition.
    Smartphone/tablet games are hardly a competitor to console gaming. Nintendo themselves (despite going through their own financial trouble) have stated that they aren't competing with high end hardware gaming. The Wii U will never have those bleeding edge graphical games that X1 and PS4 have (the Titanfalls and Uncharteds of gaming) and while steam and origin, or PC gaming in general can be technically superior to the high end consoles, there are cases where consoles still get awesome exclusives (Forza and Halo series) that the PC doesn't. Even for the good titles that are on PC, multiplayer will never be as good as Xbox Live and PSN the population just isn't there. I remember buying Titanfall for both X1 and PC and even with Respawn's various matchmaking optimizations it would always take drastically much longer to find a game on PC than it did on X1. Not very many people game on PC's anymore, or if they do they sure do a good job of avoiding me lol. The console gaming market is still huge, and I mean huge. That leaves PS4 vs X1. In a theoretical scenario where PlayStation changes management and it affects the service negatively, there will perhaps be a mass exodus to X1 which would be great for matchmaking and such but by the end of this generation there will probably be a slowing of innovation from Microsoft. Which isn't always bad because there are only so many features you can add to the X1 but if that sluggishness bleeds into the next generation.... Not good 😞
    01-16-2015 12:22 PM
  17. Coreldan's Avatar
    PC gaming is probably healthier than ever at the moment, though, when talking about "actual gaming", meaning excluding people playing Farmville that are now playing on phones and tablets. There was some kind of a news near PS4/X1 launch about Steam having 80 million active users or something (might've been accounts too, as in not necessarily active). That was around the time when PS3 and X360 had both sold 80 million each. So to put it into a perspective.. but still, PC gaming is healthy.

    I also tested Titanfall both on PC and X1, ended up paying twice the money to get it on X1, simply cos I enjoyed playing it more on a console for whatever reason. I had both, I always ended up playing it on the One.
    01-16-2015 12:53 PM
  18. Luisraul924's Avatar
    PC gaming is probably healthier than ever at the moment, though, when talking about "actual gaming", meaning excluding people playing Farmville that are now playing on phones and tablets. There was some kind of a news near PS4/X1 launch about Steam having 80 million active users or something (might've been accounts too, as in not necessarily active). That was around the time when PS3 and X360 had both sold 80 million each. So to put it into a perspective.. but still, PC gaming is healthy.

    I also tested Titanfall both on PC and X1, ended up paying twice the money to get it on X1, simply cos I enjoyed playing it more on a console for whatever reason. I had both, I always ended up playing it on the One.
    I'm not gonna make any derogatory statements about PC gaming because I used to have a modest gaming machine that played damn near everything at 1080p60 on max settings, only cost me $600 to build #pcmasterrace ;) I will say that the console gaming audience is different from the PC gaming audience. For some reason I enjoy gaming on a console more. I don't exactly see the PC as a direct competitor to consoles.
    01-16-2015 01:31 PM
  19. coip's Avatar
    Smartphone/tablet games are hardly a competitor to console gaming.
    Graphics don't matter. Revenue matters. That's it. And Smartphone/tablet gaming is the fastest growing sector of the gaming industry. It's an enormous player now and it'll be even better in a few years. Just look at the state of gaming in Japan to see where the rest of the world could be soon. Microsoft really needs to pull off the "Xbox One" concept by bringing a unified Xbox experience to consoles, Windows PCs, Windows tablets, and Windows phones.
    01-17-2015 10:10 PM
  20. Luisraul924's Avatar
    Graphics don't matter. Revenue matters. That's it. And Smartphone/tablet gaming is the fastest growing sector of the gaming industry. It's an enormous player now and it'll be even better in a few years. Just look at the state of gaming in Japan to see where the rest of the world could be soon. Microsoft really needs to pull off the "Xbox One" concept by bringing a unified Xbox experience to consoles, Windows PCs, Windows tablets, and Windows phones.
    Well when I talk about market share competition it's usually within the U.S. as that is where I live and will be living for the foreseeable future so that's my immediate concern. Gaming in Japan has always been different than it is in the west. I'm not saying tablet/phone gaming is small, far from it I like my mobile games. What I am saying is that they aren't exactly direct competitors. A rough analogy would be: Take the NFL and NBA; they're both sports, they both have an audience that pays for tickets to watch the game, both have players on a team attempting to score points via manipulation of a ball. But they don't compete with each other because they're different the core experience is different. Same with console gaming and mobile gaming. They're both gaming, they're just different. That's not to say you can't enjoy both though. I'd say Sony and Nintendo have more to worry about with tablets encroaching on Vita and 3DS sales. That's more of a level playing field. Microsoft doesn't have a dedicated mobile gaming platform (you can't say Windows Phone I'm sorry, even the best phone game can't compete with a mobile system dedicated to gaming) so nothing to worry about for then in that regard. The console gaming experience is still a unique experience that people really enjoy. Market analysts were saying exactly what you're saying "tablets/mobile gaming have gotten so big this might be the end of the consoles" before the X1/PS4 even launched. Look at sales now, they're doing better than the start of last generation in 2005.
    01-18-2015 01:14 AM
  21. coip's Avatar
    What I am saying is that they aren't exactly direct competitors...Market analysts were saying exactly what you're saying "tablets/mobile gaming have gotten so big this might be the end of the consoles" before the X1/PS4 even launched. Look at sales now, they're doing better than the start of last generation in 2005.
    They are direct competitors. Gaming is gaming. Sales are sales. Consumers are consumers. And I never said that console gaming was coming to an end. It will continue to grow, but it will continue to grow at a slower pace than it otherwise would've, because of the growth of mobile gaming. People only have so much money and time to spend on entertainment. If they spend some of those dollars and minutes on mobile gaming, they cannot spend them on console gaming.
    01-18-2015 11:48 AM
  22. Luisraul924's Avatar
    They are direct competitors. Gaming is gaming. Sales are sales. Consumers are consumers.

    It will continue to grow, but it will continue to grow at a slower pace.
    On the first point, if you're looking at such a broad picture then yes you are correct; in a capitalist economy anybody selling anything is technically a competitor. On the second point, I don't follow your logic... Microsoft and Sony both stated that their respective consoles have sold faster than their respective last generation consoles... Sold faster.... Sold faster... I don't know about you but faster sales TYPICALLY mean quicker growth. Now, of course that's not to say that they're growing faster than ever, it just signifies that they're growing quicker than they were ten years ago BEFORE the smartphone/tablet revolution. So your logic as I said, is difficult to follow.
    01-18-2015 02:47 PM
  23. Slawootsky's Avatar
    There is no point in being "religious" about this kind of stuff. You use the product and you enjoy it - it's all that matters.
    01-18-2015 02:54 PM
  24. rex.reyesiii's Avatar
    90% of pc users... Just check them sales between dvd and steam+origin. U Will see the true
    Hmm you may be on to something. I for one opt for Steam or Origin digital downloads BUT seems its still cheaper or equal in price than that of a 2nd hand console disc.
    01-20-2015 05:53 AM
  25. coip's Avatar
    I don't follow your logic... Microsoft and Sony both stated that their respective consoles have sold faster than their respective last generation consoles... Sold faster.... Sold faster... I don't know about you but faster sales TYPICALLY mean quicker growth. Now, of course that's not to say that they're growing faster than ever, it just signifies that they're growing quicker than they were ten years ago BEFORE the smartphone/tablet revolution. So your logic as I said, is difficult to follow.
    What I mean is that they are not growing as fast as they otherwise would've had there been no competition in other sectors of the gaming industry (i.e. mobile gaming). Growth is good, especially when it's faster than it used to be. But just because it's growing, and even if it's growing fast, that doesn't mean it couldn't be faster. The growth of console gaming, as fast as it has been, pales in comparison to the growth of mobile gaming. The trend lines are both positive, but if I had a limited amount of money to invest, mobile gaming promises higher returns on that investment.
    01-20-2015 09:41 AM
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