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  1. FearL0rd's Avatar
    Resident Evil Revelations 2

    FPS difference is 60 on X1 and 30 on PS4 at places when I jumped through the video on youtube.


    Face-Off: Resident Evil Revelations 2 • Eurogamer.net

    02-25-2015 09:48 AM
  2. coip's Avatar
    Except it's not washed out. Just like every other smartphone that doesn't oversaturate their display like Samsung does isn't "washed out" or every HDTV that doesn't have the display settings cranked up to unrealistic color representation isn't washed out. But you already said you prefer artificially tweaked appearance to more realistic detail so yes, I agree that's not important to you.
    Except that it is washed out. And, again, it being washed out has nothing to do with the display screen, because that is how it looks on all unadjusted display screens. So your example makes no sense. No, I never said I prefer "artificially tweaked appearance to more realistic detail". I said the opposite of that: the Xbox One version looks more natural and more realistic. The PS4 version is washed out (this is not what real life looks like) and is missing shadows (also, not what real life looks like). Your claim that the Xbox One's appearance was "artificially tweaked" to achieve it's more realistic visuals is probably the stupidest argument I've ever heard: these are video games; everything in them is artificial, created entirely by code and software programs. These aren't real-life photos or movies.
    02-25-2015 09:49 AM
  3. jonnaver's Avatar
    Except that it is washed out. And, again, it being washed out has nothing to do with the display screen, because that is how it looks on all unadjusted display screens. So your example makes no sense. No, I never said I prefer "artificially tweaked appearance to more realistic detail". I said the opposite of that: the Xbox One version looks more natural and more realistic. The PS4 version is washed out (this is not what real life looks like) and is missing shadows (also, not what real life looks like). Your claim that the Xbox One's appearance was "artificially tweaked" to achieve it's more realistic visuals is probably the stupidest argument I've ever heard: these are video games; everything in them is artificial, created entirely by code and software programs. These aren't real-life photos or movies.
    We agree to disagree
    02-25-2015 08:24 PM
  4. jonnaver's Avatar
    Resident Evil Revelations 2

    FPS difference is 60 on X1 and 30 on PS4 at places when I jumped through the video on youtube.


    Face-Off: Resident Evil Revelations 2 • Eurogamer.net

    No wonder the Xbox is pulling higher frames, it's dark and blurry. Looks to me like they sacrificed graphics quality for fps. I could achieve the same thing on a PC not optimized for gaming by lowering the graphics quality but who wants to do that?
    Besides, the only thing noticing the difference in that video is a piece of software, I certainly wouldn't be able to see the difference if I were actually playing the game.
    Lastly, if you want this to be taken seriously you'd have to do it across 20 game publishers not just one. Developers don't all code equally well. And even then the ps4 version still looks nicer
    02-25-2015 08:33 PM
  5. FearL0rd's Avatar
    No wonder the Xbox is pulling higher frames, it's dark and blurry. Looks to me like they sacrificed graphics quality for fps. I could achieve the same thing on a PC not optimized for gaming by lowering the graphics quality but who wants to do that?
    Besides, the only thing noticing the difference in that video is a piece of software, I certainly wouldn't be able to see the difference if I were actually playing the game.
    Lastly, if you want this to be taken seriously you'd have to do it across 20 game publishers not just one. Developers don't all code equally well. And even then the ps4 version still looks nicer
    please read eurogamer review. They confirm that Xbox version is better.... open you mind fanboy
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    02-25-2015 08:37 PM
  6. jonnaver's Avatar
    please read eurogamer review. They confirm that Xbox version is better.... open you mind fanboy
    someone's 12 year old is all mad about a gaming console. Don't take out your insecurity issues on me, I'm pretty sure I mentioned way earlier in this forum that I own both, maybe you missed it, kid
    02-25-2015 08:40 PM
  7. FearL0rd's Avatar
    someone's 12 year old is all mad about a gaming console. Don't take out your insecurity issues on me, I'm pretty sure I mentioned way earlier in this forum that I own both, maybe you missed it, kid
    I have both also. I just don't play ps4 a lot because and don't have friends in psn. They "live" service suck.

    Please read eurogamer review.
    02-25-2015 08:46 PM
  8. jonnaver's Avatar
    I have both also. I just don't play ps4 a lot because and don't have friends in psn. They "live" service suck.

    Please read eurogamer review.
    reading Eurogamer is as bad as ign and gamespot. By the way, Xbox live and PSN both suck. I only do multiplayer on PC
    02-25-2015 08:47 PM
  9. FearL0rd's Avatar
    Can you tell the difference?

    02-28-2015 09:28 PM
  10. jonnaver's Avatar
    Can you tell the difference?

    No surprise in that video for me. If anyone actually told me they could definitively tell quality differences while actually playing the games (not taking screenshots, not relying on software benchmarks etc) then I'd tell them they're full of BS. Systems have always been pretty close for the last 5 years or so, close enough that you (meaning the general buyer) should be buying your system based on things like features, titles, reliability(!) and things like that, not how they render graphics. Because in the end they're all similar enough when actually playing the game as to not matter.
    03-01-2015 12:44 PM
  11. Angry_Mushroom's Avatar
    Only depressing thing I've found about X1 vs. PS4 is the fact neither console can manage 60fps at 1080p. The fact these spec battles have raged on is kinda pathetic by now. At the end of the day, both consoles share lower end PC hardware that is ill suited to 4k gaming. Buy the console for the game you will play, not for the specs it offers. Otherwise PC will win every single time.
    03-02-2015 04:52 AM
  12. Luisraul924's Avatar
    Only depressing thing I've found about X1 vs. PS4 is the fact neither console can manage 60fps at 1080p. The fact these spec battles have raged on is kinda pathetic by now. At the end of the day, both consoles share lower end PC hardware that is ill suited to 4k gaming. Buy the console for the game you will play, not for the specs it offers. Otherwise PC will win every single time.
    Lol I agree with the specs on the consoles, now that they're using the x86 architecture they're basically low end PC's. Poor console peasants don't understand the awesomeness that is #PCMR. Only reason I have an X1 is because of friends and exclusives (especially Halo). Anybody getting anal about frame rate and graphical fidelity need to inform themselves correctly about PC gaming and make the ascension. Praise GabeN. I will say however, you mentioned 4K gaming we'll need to hold out for DX12 to have passable frame rates at 4K with single or dual card setups. Triple and quad setups *should* be able to run 60fps with max graphical fidelity at 4K. Those setups however do cost a pretty penny that not just anybody can afford lol.
    03-02-2015 05:12 AM
  13. Coreldan's Avatar
    Lol I agree with the specs on the consoles, now that they're using the x86 architecture they're basically low end PC's. Poor console peasants don't understand the awesomeness that is #PCMR. Only reason I have an X1 is because of friends and exclusives (especially Halo). Anybody getting anal about frame rate and graphical fidelity need to inform themselves correctly about PC gaming and make the ascension. Praise GabeN. I will say however, you mentioned 4K gaming we'll need to hold out for DX12 to have passable frame rates at 4K with single or dual card setups. Triple and quad setups *should* be able to run 60fps with max graphical fidelity at 4K. Those setups however do cost a pretty penny that not just anybody can afford lol.
    I just put a 1000 into some killer GPU and CPU, but something seems to be wrong, my PC still doesn't get Sunset Overdrive, Forzas, Killer Instinct, Halo MCC.. what's wrong?!

    On a more serious note, I have a gaming PC and an Xbox One, I've barely played on PC since getting the Xbox One. Only really games that arn't on consoles like WoW, SMITE (that will be on X1 later this year), APB Reloaded (will also be on X1 this summer), Star Citizen.. These days I rather get most multiplats on console too. I have several reasons for that, but my PC would run circles around X1 and PS4 specswise combined. It's just so easy, really.
    03-02-2015 05:20 AM
  14. Luisraul924's Avatar
    I just put a 1000 into some killer GPU and CPU, but something seems to be wrong, my PC still doesn't get Sunset Overdrive, Forzas, Killer Instinct, Halo MCC.. what's wrong?!

    On a more serious note, I have a gaming PC and an Xbox One, I've barely played on PC since getting the Xbox One. Only really games that arn't on consoles like WoW, SMITE (that will be on X1 later this year), APB Reloaded (will also be on X1 this summer), Star Citizen.. These days I rather get most multiplats on console too. I have several reasons for that, but my PC would run circles around X1 and PS4 specswise combined. It's just so easy, really.
    Yeah I forgot to mention that I do my main gaming on my X1 because I'm not anal about frame rate, graphics etc I just wanna have fun with friends. Every once in a rare while a game will release that looks so amazing it needs to be experienced on a PC at true 1080p60. The last game that did that to me was Skyrim. Not sure what the next game will be.
    03-02-2015 05:36 AM
  15. coip's Avatar
    Praise GabeN.
    Please, Gabe Newell and the parasitic store he runs deserve no credit for how gorgeous PC gaming is: those games are pretty because they run on Microsoft's graphics APIs, Direct X. Give credit where it's due rather than fawning over a company that doesn't deserve it.
    03-03-2015 09:05 AM
  16. Crasstoe's Avatar
    The xbox supports 1080p at 60fps - Forza was a release title with this!



    I've said it god knows how many times and I'll say it again, the 1080p 60fps argument is a load of tosh as both consoles support it, end of.



    Microsoft have a second gen slim xb1 coming Xmas this year with native 4K support (the current xbox one hdmi port doesn't support 4k without compression). And before people start, the PS4 is the same.



    Finally, PCMasterRace was a name coined to mock PC gamers... Just saying...
    03-05-2015 09:05 AM
  17. Zulfigar's Avatar
    The xbox supports 1080p at 60fps - Forza was a release title with this!



    I've said it god knows how many times and I'll say it again, the 1080p 60fps argument is a load of tosh as both consoles support it, end of.



    Microsoft have a second gen slim xb1 coming Xmas this year with native 4K support (the current xbox one hdmi port doesn't support 4k without compression). And before people start, the PS4 is the same.



    Finally, PCMasterRace was a name coined to mock PC gamers... Just saying...
    Source?
    03-05-2015 09:11 AM
  18. Westarmy's Avatar
    Didn't some games run at 1080p and 60fps on the Playstation 3? Such as Gran Turismo 5 and 6.
    03-05-2015 09:37 AM
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    03-05-2015 09:41 AM
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    Fable - impact of UAV barrier : Dx11 (900p) vs Dx12 (1080p)
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    03-05-2015 09:42 AM
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    DX11 900P x DX12 1080P

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    03-05-2015 09:44 AM
  22. Angry_Mushroom's Avatar
    The xbox supports 1080p at 60fps - Forza was a release title with this!



    I've said it god knows how many times and I'll say it again, the 1080p 60fps argument is a load of tosh as both consoles support it, end of.



    Microsoft have a second gen slim xb1 coming Xmas this year with native 4K support (the current xbox one hdmi port doesn't support 4k without compression). And before people start, the PS4 is the same.



    Finally, PCMasterRace was a name coined to mock PC gamers... Just saying...
    No, Forza Horizons 2 was locked at 30 FPS. It supports it, but won't do it. (Maybe this is emotional/spiritual support?)

    It's utterly irrelevant if the consoles support it. Both have consistently fallen short of the mark. There are plenty of games that promised much, but fell short. Neither the X1, nor the PS4 can actually manage 1080p 60 FPS on a consistent basis. What's even worse is that console exclusives are leading the charge in failed promises. Supporting, and actually doing it are two totally different things as our politicians and consoles have proven.

    An update won't help either console. They might add a few features, make it smaller or more power efficient, but there will be no major hardware changes. Witcher 3 will run at 900p regardless of PS4 or PS4 slimmer. 4K support for blu-rays maybe... but I'd need a source on that.

    And pointing out that PC Master Race was a term coined to ridicule us PC gamers isn't going to change the facts. PC gaming remains a more hardcore platform with higher upfront costs. For these greater inconveniences and prices we get vastly superior hardware.
    03-07-2015 06:54 PM
  23. coip's Avatar
    No, Forza Horizons 2 was locked at 30 FPS. It supports it, but won't do it. (Maybe this is emotional/spiritual support?)

    It's utterly irrelevant if the consoles support it. Both have consistently fallen short of the mark. There are plenty of games that promised much, but fell short. Neither the X1, nor the PS4 can actually manage 1080p 60 FPS on a consistent basis. What's even worse is that console exclusives are leading the charge in failed promises. Supporting, and actually doing it are two totally different things as our politicians and consoles have proven.

    An update won't help either console. They might add a few features, make it smaller or more power efficient, but there will be no major hardware changes. Witcher 3 will run at 900p regardless of PS4 or PS4 slimmer. 4K support for blu-rays maybe... but I'd need a source on that.

    And pointing out that PC Master Race was a term coined to ridicule us PC gamers isn't going to change the facts. PC gaming remains a more hardcore platform with higher upfront costs. For these greater inconveniences and prices we get vastly superior hardware.
    He wasn't talking about Forza Horizon 2. He was talking about Forza Motorsport 5, which was a launch title for Xbox One and which was 1080p/60fps.

    What's utterly irrelevant is is the fabricated obsession the gaming media has with pixel counting. It's a disgrace to the industry.

    I don't know who coined PC Master Race, but whoever uses it is an ignoramus: that term is highly offensive, as it connotes genocide and invokes historical instances where politically motivated feelings of in-group superiority led to the slaughtering of millions of innocent people. Anyone who tries to apply that term to win an Internet war about whose gaming platform of choice is better is a moron.
    03-08-2015 01:14 AM
  24. Crasstoe's Avatar
    The whole pc master race thing; http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/pc...ace.454366734/



    For the record I also play PC games, just easier to play on a console and not have to explain it to friends. Alot of my friends are what I call techno-ignorant. They believe the apple hype wagon "becuz". The day a pc offers me that I'll stop buying consoles... Although I feel myself falling into the realms of the dirty casual at the moment with work etc...
    03-08-2015 07:09 PM
  25. Angry_Mushroom's Avatar
    What's utterly irrelevant is is the fabricated obsession the gaming media has with pixel counting. It's a disgrace to the industry.

    I don't know who coined PC Master Race, but whoever uses it is an ignoramus: that term is highly offensive, as it connotes genocide and invokes historical instances where politically motivated feelings of in-group superiority led to the slaughtering of millions of innocent people. Anyone who tries to apply that term to win an Internet war about whose gaming platform of choice is better is a moron.
    It's hardly a media fabricated event. Issue was both Microsoft and Sony pushed their consoles based on hardware specifications. At least that's the impression I've gotten since they consoles were announced. It's totally understandable to be depressed about PS4 vs. X1 when both sides are losing in a two way race.

    PC Master Raced was originally coined by Ben Croshaw of Zero Punctuation fame. Used initially as a demeaning term to describe PC gamer's rather blatant elitism, the term was adopted as the calling card as a counter point to the unwashed consolic masses. Take what you will from that, but it doesn't imply attempted genocide, or invasion of neighboring countries. Overall it's all silly as people have sacrificed fun and joy in the names of defending their preferred platform. Personally I'll stick to my multi-platform approach, and hope both the PS4 and Xbox One will encite their respective consumer bases towards a successful run.
    03-08-2015 09:45 PM
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