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  1. dgr_874's Avatar
    I was wondering what options those of you out there who were waiting for the Xbox One DVR to be released are going to do now? I had bought my system and tuner mostly because I figured this would somewhat replace my WMC that has been abandoned. i figured it would be great to have all my entertainment and gaming in one box. I am looking for a whole home DVR for OTA tv.

    What options are you pursuing?
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    06-14-2016 03:52 PM
  2. T Moore's Avatar
    I'm staying on Win 7 with WMC, over the air with two tuners and a big hard drive and my 360
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    06-15-2016 01:05 AM
  3. DavidinCT's Avatar
    I'm staying on Win 7 with WMC, over the air with two tuners and a big hard drive and my 360
    No matter how much Microsoft discontinued Windows Media Center. The product for a DVR still works perfect. If you watch over at thegreenbutton.tv there are still 3rd party options to get streaming services working. I even have YouTube working in WMC that is as good as the ones built into modern TVs, Easy to use and it uses the WMC remote.

    It still just works and works good.
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    06-18-2016 11:38 AM
  4. mtf1380's Avatar
    No matter how much Microsoft discontinued Windows Media Center. The product for a DVR still works perfect. If you watch over at thegreenbutton.tv there are still 3rd party options to get streaming services working. I even have YouTube working in WMC that is as good as the ones built into modern TVs, Easy to use and it uses the WMC remote.

    It still just works and works good.
    I have an old XP, that had MC on it, I upgraded it to Vista when it was introduced; didn't use this computer for a 1 or 2, then because I have program from China that runs best on XP, I did a clean install back to XP and only use it for that one program; would I be to reactive the MC? would I need to reinstall it?

    I too, was looking forward to the DVR on XBOX; fact is that is the only reason i bought it.
    06-18-2016 11:47 AM
  5. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    We have had a whole house Windows Media Center set up using a desktop computer running Windows 7 Pro and Xbox 360s as extenders on every TV. Windows Media Center is built into Windows 7 Pro. We would never think of changing this. It works. We use Ceton XfiniTV cable card tuners. Over the air TV, Live cable TV, DVR TV, Movies, Photos, and Music available throughout the house all from the central Windows Media Center. There really isn't anything else that does all this.

    Incidentally, I just set up my 4th Windows Media Center installation on a new Windows 7 box.

    I was hoping the Xbox One S might team up with Ceton or SilicanDust to add networked multiple tuners, DVR, with over the air AND cable TV features to the One S. "Dream Big" for features that have been available in Windows Media Center for many many years.

    Windows Media Center exists and provides the features now.

    Best Wishes
    Last edited by Kevin Rush; 06-18-2016 at 12:27 PM.
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    06-18-2016 12:10 PM
  6. mtf1380's Avatar
    We have had a whole house Windows Media Center set up using a desktop computer running Windows 7 Pro and Xbox 360s as extenders on every TV. Windows Media Center is built into Windows 7 Pro. We would never think of changing this. It works.

    Incidentally, I just set up my 4th Windows Media Center installation on a new Windows 7 box.

    Best Wishes
    Kevin, can you give a simple anatomy of this layout, thanks
    06-18-2016 12:14 PM
  7. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    Kevin, can you give a simple anatomy of this layout, thanks
    I would be happy to, but can't right now.
    There are many setups possible. See www.thegreenbutton.org. The short simplest version is put Windows 7 Pro on a reasonably capable computer and add a tuner from SiliconDust or Ceton for over the air and/or cable card TV. (I think there may be inexpensive USB over the air tuners?) Connect it to your TV. Run Media Center set up. There are many YouTube videos to walk you through the setup. I always use the Ceton one for my Ceton tuners. It's easy.
    More later.
    Best Wishes
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    06-18-2016 12:39 PM
  8. mtf1380's Avatar
    I would be happy to, but can't right now.
    There are many setups possible. See The Green Button. The short simplest version is put Windows 7 Pro on a reasonably capable computer and add a tuner from SiliconDust or Ceton for over the air and/or cable card TV. (I think there may be inexpensive USB over the air tuners?) Connect it to your TV.
    More later.
    Best Wishes
    Thank you, I appreciate the info. Cheers!
    06-18-2016 12:43 PM
  9. dgr_874's Avatar
    We have had a whole house Windows Media Center set up using a desktop computer running Windows 7 Pro and Xbox 360s as extenders on every TV. Windows Media Center is built into Windows 7 Pro. We would never think of changing this. It works. We use Ceton XfiniTV cable card tuners. Over the air TV, Live cable TV, DVR TV, Movies, Photos, and Music available throughout the house all from the central Windows Media Center. There really isn't anything else that does all this.

    Incidentally, I just set up my 4th Windows Media Center installation on a new Windows 7 box.

    I was hoping the Xbox One S might team up with Ceton or SilicanDust to add networked multiple tuners, DVR, with over the air AND cable TV features to the One S. "Dream Big" for features that have been available in Windows Media Center for many many years.

    Windows Media Center exists and provides the features now.

    Best Wishes
    Ya, I think I'm going to do that too. Go back to a win 7 box just for tv.

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
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    06-18-2016 05:24 PM
  10. DavidinCT's Avatar
    I have an old XP, that had MC on it, I upgraded it to Vista when it was introduced; didn't use this computer for a 1 or 2, then because I have program from China that runs best on XP, I did a clean install back to XP and only use it for that one program; would I be to reactive the MC? would I need to reinstall it?

    I too, was looking forward to the DVR on XBOX; fact is that is the only reason i bought it.
    Upgrade your PC to Windows 7, Use Windows Media Center that comes with Win 7 (Or if you have 8.1 with WMC, it's the same version). If you have 7 running, you can use Xbox 360's as extenders and with this, you can set a 360 to automatically boot into WMC, so you can use it as a dedicated Extender.

    Here's the other PERK, you can use a older machine if you wanted to. When WMC was created, it was designed around signle core CPUS and the very early dual core models. SO if you have a 3-5 year old PC, it could make a perfect WMC machine. Maybe a Video card upgrade, or some newer hardware if your trying to go 4K, etc.

    I've had analog tuners, QAM and cablecard tuners. At one point I had 12 tuners going with 4 extenders in my home but, I have setup larger systems with my old business I ran making custom ones (did you know WMC supports with a addon package 32 tuners ? Crazy Huh ?)

    Spend some time on thegreenbutton.tv lots of info there and lots of little 3rd party apps and hacks.

    Let me know if you have any questions, I was a WMC MVP from 2010 to 2012 and even certified in it from Microsoft.
    06-18-2016 05:47 PM
  11. mtf1380's Avatar
    Upgrade your PC to Windows 7, Use Windows Media Center that comes with Win 7 (Or if you have 8.1 with WMC, it's the same version). If you have 7 running, you can use Xbox 360's as extenders and with this, you can set a 360 to automatically boot into WMC, so you can use it as a dedicated Extender.

    Here's the other PERK, you can use a older machine if you wanted to. When WMC was created, it was designed around signle core CPUS and the very early dual core models. SO if you have a 3-5 year old PC, it could make a perfect WMC machine. Maybe a Video card upgrade, or some newer hardware if your trying to go 4K, etc.

    Spend some time on thegreenbutton.tv lots of info there and lots of little 3rd party apps and hacks.

    Let me know if you have any questions, I was a WMC MVP from 2010 to 2012 and even certified in it from Microsoft.
    David, thank yo for your reply.

    So, back when, I bought a HP Pavilion Media Center TV PC (XP installed, Vista Ready). I upgraded it to Vista. After a while it got SLOWER than I could bear, so I started using it for emails only, then not at all; putting it in a corner under the desk. Recently I discovered that I has unable to use a newer machine (W7, and above) to successfully write a program to a SD, and then have that SD card work in a controller I had installed. So I resurrected the Vista Machine for the sole purpose of writing to the SD Card, but again, the Vista machine was too slow (15+ mins.) to boot, and each command was excruciatingly slow. Because it had HP installed XP OS, that I could not longer get from HP, I purchased from another source (HP referral) per the serial number of my machine, and did a clean install.

    I would think that WMC is again installed on the XP?

    Also, I have a Xbox One?

    What do you think? will the above conf work? No HDMI out, on the PC; maybe DVI/composite only.

    Thanks again.
    06-18-2016 06:15 PM
  12. DavidinCT's Avatar
    David, thank yo for your reply.

    So, back when, I bought a HP Pavilion Media Center TV PC (XP installed, Vista Ready). I upgraded it to Vista. After a while it got SLOWER than I could bear, so I started using it for emails only, then not at all; putting it in a corner under the desk. Recently I discovered that I has unable to use a newer machine (W7, and above) to successfully write a program to a SD, and then have that SD card work in a controller I had installed. So I resurrected the Vista Machine for the sole purpose of writing to the SD Card, but again, the Vista machine was too slow (15+ mins.) to boot, and each command was excruciatingly slow. Because it had HP installed XP OS, that I could not longer get from HP, I purchased from another source (HP referral) per the serial number of my machine, and did a clean install.

    I would think that WMC is again installed on the XP?

    Also, I have a Xbox One?

    What do you think? will the above conf work? No HDMI out, on the PC; maybe DVI/composite only.

    Thanks again.
    My general thoughts on PCs today. If it was designed for XP, it probably is too slow, If it was a Window Vista machine (came with Vista, not a upgrade path), it's a maybe thing.

    XP MCE is too old now, I have heard it still works but forget using a Xbox 360 as an extender. Let me know the model number, so I can get some specs to see if I think it would be worthy. Some machines are too old but, there are some maybe factors.

    If you WANT cablecard support, Windows Vista With the "TV Pack" will support it but, Windows 7 is where you should be (lots of big fixes and UI changes over the Vista version)

    If you want the best what Windows Media Center has to offer, or at least did, you WANT the Windows 7 or 8.1 version, Even the vista version is so behind.

    The Xbox one does not or will not work as a Media Center Extender no matter what version of Windows you have. Only the Xbox 360 does (you can get used ones cheap now)
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    06-18-2016 08:29 PM
  13. mtf1380's Avatar
    My general thoughts
    David, thank you kindly.

    I have a couple of Windows 7 machines that I have upgraded to 8.0 > 8.1 > 10. One of which (an ultra book), I never use, I guess I could put it back to 7, or so...but it would probably be worth looking at another route entirely. It is just a dame shame that MS decided to forgo the DVR.

    Thanks again, for all your help....I really do appreciate it.

    Cheers!
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    06-18-2016 09:22 PM
  14. DavidinCT's Avatar
    Just PM me if you get stuck or if you have more questions. If I get time, I will answer all your Q's... I am a very passionate Media Center user.
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    06-20-2016 09:09 PM
  15. Rhody#WP's Avatar
    I still have a Ceton 4-tuner cablecard PCI card if you're interested. PM me and we'll work out the details.
    06-28-2016 11:41 AM
  16. Rhody#WP's Avatar
    To be honest, I never thought the Xbox One DVR was going to work well at all. They were going to implement it with a single tuner, which shows they had no idea what they were doing. But putting the DVR on hold, and now canceling Xbox Fitness, tells me something about the direction the Xbox is going. The Kinect is dead. They're putting less emphasis on non-game functionality. They're coming out with new versions that are more spec-based. They're trying to compete with Playstation and Steam, not Roku or Tivo.

    This is good news for the gamers. However, since I'm an older user who primarily used my Xbox One for Netflix and Hulu, I'm going to sell mine. I will end up with a Tivo Roamio as the only device connected to my TV.

    I used to have a WMC HTPC (it's in the garage) and I currently have a PC running MediaPortal. But both of those are dying technology. I'm going with the Tivo, because it just works and it integrates the streaming services I use most.
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    06-28-2016 11:53 AM
  17. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    To be honest, I never thought the Xbox One DVR was going to work well at all. They were going to implement it with a single tuner, which shows they had no idea what they were doing. But putting the DVR on hold, and now canceling Xbox Fitness, tells me something about the direction the Xbox is going. The Kinect is dead. They're putting less emphasis on non-game functionality. They're coming out with new versions that are more spec-based. They're trying to compete with Playstation and Steam, not Roku or Tivo.

    This is good news for the gamers. However, since I'm an older user who primarily used my Xbox One for Netflix and Hulu, I'm going to sell mine. I will end up with a Tivo Roamio as the only device connected to my TV.

    I used to have a WMC HTPC (it's in the garage) and I currently have a PC running MediaPortal. But both of those are dying technology. I'm going with the Tivo, because it just works and it integrates the streaming services I use most.
    I think I read recently that Tivo was sold and the new owner is thinking of eliminating the sales of hardware, focusing on only the software? Leaving the hardware to others to build? Can anyone clarify?

    A happy Windows Media Center "whole house" family. All our media, including cable TV, plus every streaming source, on TVs throughout the house.
    06-29-2016 12:27 AM
  18. DavidinCT's Avatar
    A happy Windows Media Center "whole house" family. All our media, including cable TV, plus every streaming source, on TVs throughout the house.
    Same here, using from when XP Media Center was OEM only, I'm playing with the new Windows 10 plugin... working towards the wholy grail of Windows Media Center....softsled

    I heard Tivo was sold (or was selling) but, have not heard about them stop making hardware.
    06-29-2016 02:08 PM
  19. Rhody#WP's Avatar
    I think I read recently that Tivo was sold and the new owner is thinking of eliminating the sales of hardware, focusing on only the software? Leaving the hardware to others to build? Can anyone clarify?

    A happy Windows Media Center "whole house" family. All our media, including cable TV, plus every streaming source, on TVs throughout the house.
    I think I read not so recently that Windows Media Center was discontinued and will receive no more support.

    Tivo was bought by Rovi, who make the guide data. They were two companies (now one) in a dying field. Netflix showed that streaming is the future, and HBO is providing a bridge between scheduled broadcast and on-demand streaming. As more and more content switches to on-demand streaming, the DVR will march toward its inevitable death. That's why Microsoft dumped Windows Media Center.

    I'm just using the Tivo as a stop-gap while the major networks still broadcast over the air for free. It's the most painless way to do it. I have been having problems with missing guide data recently. I know the Tivo won't have that problem. Is WMC stable now after switching guide data providers?
    06-29-2016 03:11 PM
  20. DavidinCT's Avatar
    I think I read not so recently that Windows Media Center was discontinued and will receive no more support.
    Media Center was discontinued a while ago, your right and not recently by any means. BUT, Microsoft plans on supporting it with the OS, So this includes Windows 7 and Windows 8.1, So 2020 and 2023.

    This means, NO software changes or updates but, they changed the guide data from Zap2It to ROVI, the same provider they use for the Xbox one's One guide. I would put money down they are in the same format and when creating the Xbox One's One guide, they used Media Center's guide as a starting point and just contuned it. The only data stream from Microsoft left in Windows Media Center is the guide and setup data (part used on Xbox one as well).

    Odds are that the guide data will keep going till 7 or 8.1 is killed, or even the Xbox one's one guide feature is killed off (could be past 2023)..

    No matter how you look at it, Windows Media Center is STILL rated by most sites who review HTPC based software as one of the best DVR PC software available. It works well, it's VERY easy to use and with simple registry settings could be exended beyond what you think.

    It's 100% scaleable, You could have 1 TV, or 6 tvs with the same experiance (expandable beyond that with addon software), You could have 1tb of recording storage, or 100tb, you could store THOUSANDS of movies that are fully indexable. If you could think about it, a LOT of it can be done. And there is API for WMC, 100's of addon packages that can PLUG right in (older plugins, and hacks to get things working). Base Product could get 12+ tuners(4 of each type, or 3rd party package), and even expandable to 32 tuners (addon software).

    Think about how you want TV for WATCHING or RECORDING TV, it's possable a lot of it could be done with WMC as your base product and for the most part, you would very happy with it.
    06-29-2016 03:57 PM
  21. Rhody#WP's Avatar
    That's a great commercial, but you obviously didn't read my earlier post. I own a WMC PC. You don't have to sell me on it. I'm not using it, though, because I have MediaPortal, which has everything you just said plus automatic commercial skipping, skins, remote access through a Web browser, etc.

    But that's not even what I was talking about. The OTA DVR is dying technology. Sure, they work and will work for a while. Hey, you could add 32 tuners if you want. I don't know why you would want that, since there aren't 32 watchable OTA channels, and it's unlikely you would want to record 32 OTA shows concurrently, but go for it.

    BTW, I decided against the Tivo. My MediaPortal PC works well enough as a stop-gap. I only watch a few broadcast network shows anyway.
    07-01-2016 10:48 AM
  22. DavidinCT's Avatar
    That's a great commercial, but you obviously didn't read my earlier post. I own a WMC PC. You don't have to sell me on it..
    Not trying to SELL it to you, trying to give the benfits of what an OLD Windows 7 computer COULD do. There are MANY other people who are asking the same thing about the Xbox one DVR that might not come and what is an option for it.

    For years people owned a Windows 7 PC and never even opened or looked at Windows Media Center. If everyone who used Windows 7 KNEW what it could actually do and how well it could do it, I would bet WMC would STILL be active in devolpment at Microsoft and be a major part of Windows 10.

    Another great product from Microsoft that failed because Microsoft failed on marketing it. They should of released it as a addon. NOT with the OS.

    The OTA DVR is dying technology. Sure, they work and will work for a while. Hey, you could add 32 tuners if you want. I don't know why you would want that, since there aren't 32 watchable OTA channels, and it's unlikely you would want to record 32 OTA shows concurrently, but go for it.
    Er, ok, I guess how you use a DVR is EXACTLY what everyone else in the world uses theirs, Thanks for that insite ... As have said in the past, I setup Custom WMC machines in the past, maybe in total about 300 over the years. I have also troubleshot them ALL OVER THE WORLD. I was taking care of one in Australia 2 weeks ago. I do support and charge a flat rate for up to 2 hours.

    MOST people a 4-6 tuner configuration is fine (as you THINK it is fine for everyone in the world). When you extend to a whole home with a large family, all bets are off. The largest setup I did was 24 tuners (cablecard tuners) with 10 Extenders. It was for a family that had 5 teenager kids who all watched A LOT OF TV. It gave the flexabilty for everyone in the family. They could all watch TV at the same time with different channels and be recording everything they wanted. I was activly talking to the eHome team for setup issues as stanard config out of the box is 4 of each type of tuner and 5 Extenders at the same time. And by the way, the system was 99.9% stable with very minor issues. They are still using it today.

    The ONLY point I was saying was, IF someone one needed it, it COULD be done. Having a possable 32 tuners could not be done in the higest end tivo, cable box or sat box... Only one product could do it...
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    07-01-2016 01:33 PM
  23. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    That's a great commercial, but you obviously didn't read my earlier post. I own a WMC PC. You don't have to sell me on it. I'm not using it, though, because I have MediaPortal, which has everything you just said plus automatic commercial skipping, skins, remote access through a Web browser, etc.

    But that's not even what I was talking about. The OTA DVR is dying technology. Sure, they work and will work for a while. Hey, you could add 32 tuners if you want. I don't know why you would want that, since there aren't 32 watchable OTA channels, and it's unlikely you would want to record 32 OTA shows concurrently, but go for it.

    BTW, I decided against the Tivo. My MediaPortal PC works well enough as a stop-gap. I only watch a few broadcast network shows anyway.
    Respectfully, I think you should re-read all, all the comments in this string again, and then research in depth Windows Media Center so you can know it's true features. Windows Media Center is the only full featured "Whole House" solution in most cases, especially where cable TV is encrypted. It is the only one with a simple easy to use "UI" user interface that the whole family can happily use. (Sadly, Microsoft is totally/absolutely oblivious to the rich and amazing "UI". I wish someone would explain it to the newbies at Microsoft. Not to dismantle it and rewrite it to be 10% of the features, but to leave it alone and maybe extend and improve it.)
    If you don't watch TV or Movies, or have any interest in sharing media, throughout your home, to everyone, then maybe this isn't a topic for you.

    Learning to understand other peoples points of view, is hard, but I think it's worthwhile.

    Best Wishes
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    07-03-2016 12:31 AM
  24. Rhody#WP's Avatar
    Respectfully, I think you should re-read all, all the comments in this string again, and then research in depth Windows Media Center so you can know it's true features. Windows Media Center is the only full featured "Whole House" solution in most cases, especially where cable TV is encrypted. It is the only one with a simple easy to use "UI" user interface that the whole family can happily use. (Sadly, Microsoft is totally/absolutely oblivious to the rich and amazing "UI". I wish someone would explain it to the newbies at Microsoft. Not to dismantle it and rewrite it to be 10% of the features, but to leave it alone and maybe extend and improve it.)
    If you don't watch TV or Movies, or have any interest in sharing media, throughout your home, to everyone, then maybe this isn't a topic for you.

    Learning to understand other peoples points of view, is hard, but I think it's worthwhile.

    Best Wishes
    "Respectfully," maybe you should read the SUBJECT of the thread, because we are talking about other options for the DVR functionality of the Xbox One, which was going to be OTA only with a single ATSC tuner.

    I have clearly stated that I know all about WMC, CableCARD, Media Center extenders, etc. That simply is not an alternative to the Xbox One DVR functionality, which was not going to be compatible with cable, encrypted or not. There's no reason to get snotty with me because I'm staying on topic.

    Honestly, I don't know why you guys are so sensitive. I didn't say anything bad about WMC specifically. I merely stated that the OTA DVR is not the future. It's not like I said your baby is ugly or your dress makes you look fat.
    Last edited by Rhody#WP; 07-18-2016 at 04:36 PM.
    07-18-2016 04:02 PM
  25. dgr_874's Avatar
    Well, me and the family talked it over at length and we all decided to just quit cable and live TV all together. Seems like we were always complaining that nothing was on anyways. So we watch everything on demand, use Plex, or just catch whatever is live at the time.
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