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  1. Richard Loveridge's Avatar
    Also reviews and awards mean nothing. Look at the movie industry. Critic reviews and audience reviews don't match at all. Then theirs the Oscars and Baftas that are a joke. Many Zelda fans hate the new Zelda. The critics in our industry are generally a joke
    03-18-2018 12:35 PM
  2. Guest_aotf's Avatar
    Oh please, and we got to take a company fan's opinion over professional gaming journalists?

    Unlike company fans, these people don't judge a game based on which company is making it. They are mostly using standards and the work that went into it.
    If a major gaming journalist gave it a great review then it means something.

    "If you cant grasp the concept that you and your friends doing the quests IS the story then I can understand why you think its a problem."
    I know what you mean and I already said they are depending on friends goofing around with each other and playing pretend pirates.
    This is like instead of giving a kid a board game with rules and stuff to do, you're giving an empty cardboard box and tell him "here use your imagination and play pretend pirate. Have fun". The problem with this is that a company is asking the same price as a full board game for this empty cardboard box. With all the stuff that's missing this should have been MUCH cheaper, and when they using free2play economics, I'll add that this should be free.


    And YES. ofc I want renting service to fail. or at least I don't want that to replace the current system where we own and play games we actually want.
    And it's not because you and your beloved MS thinks this is the future of gaming, that it's going to be true. If we believed MS and company "fans" like you, kinect, DRM, always online 24 hours check would be the future of gaming. If we believed what MS wanted PC gamers would be playing to play online.
    It's funny how you mention MS's future game. "Fable 4, Gears 5, Halo 6 etc etc". I guess the etc is Forza 8, FH 4, Gears 6,7,8,9,10,.. Halo 7, 8...

    I think your 30m is far fetched. But what's funny is that since MS hardly communicate actual numbers (Gold members, game pass members, sales number) we'll probably never know.
    Not communicating is probably due to poor numbers. You want to try to compare this to Netflix but like I said it's not the same 1) market, 2) media. And ofc the market size is tiny compared to people wh watch movies/series.

    You want to ignore these points all you want it doesn't make them invalid.
    At the end of the day it's neither you nor MS that'll decide what's gaming is going to be like. It's the people buying and playing games.
    You really think people will go crazy and pay 10 bucks a month just to pay few console exclus here and there? Looks at console sales...
    If anything games many people won't buy the games that cost 60 bucks but will just rent it 1-2 months...
    03-18-2018 09:28 PM
  3. Richard Loveridge's Avatar
    The only numbers that MS don't release are sales numbers. Because they mean absolutely nothing to Shareholders. Microsoft release numbers of Gold Subscribers every year. And release Xbox Revenue, which I hate to say is important. They also release concurrent players on games and individual playerbases per game. With Game Sharing for this whole generation and now Game Pass what good is sales numbers? They do not tell the story correctly at all. Unlike the competition where they don't have any of these factors added in at all. Because they don't give these options.

    This whole generation all of my friends and I buy half the games each. Because we all link in pairs. We don't care whether we own it or not. We are all going to buy even less games now due to game pass. And we only need 1 game pass subscription between 2 people because it also works via game sharing.

    Lots of people have lost faith in reviewers. Time and time again there has been massive proof over the years many are bought out by companies for good review scores. And the industry is not subjective at all.

    The awards are farcical and i actually don't know anyone personally who actually reads a single game review. It only matters to the niche internet console wars. Reviewers always have an agenda. They are human. Whether it be political, company loyalty or money.

    For example i fully expect GOW 4 to get rave reviews even though every other comment on Youtube is how unhappy fans are that they have pushed aside what the game was for an over the shoulder Ryse Son Of Rome style.

    BOTW took everything that was Zelda and threw it away. In no way is BOTW the best Zelda ever. No chance. I have finished every single Zelda since the very first. Even the Gameboy game A Link To The Past. One of the major staples in the Zelda series is the lengthy as well as complex dungeons. These are showcases for each game’s level design, as well as how they intersect with the various abilities you unlock. BOTW has none of this. In fact BOTW is a survival game first and foremost. Neglecting everything fans of Zelda love. Even the staple chest music is completely gone. That has been there for the fans since 1980s. Even the Survival elements are literally like early Steam survival games from years ago.

    I understand in the media Nintendo can do no wrong. But there are endless forum articles on Reset Era or Game FAQs of fans that detest BOTW. It's an absolute discredit to the series. Literally the same thing happened with Final Fantasy. FF10 sold over 10 million copies. It was completely turn based. Then FF12 comes out throwing away what we love and they wonder why its sales dropped after that?

    The media and the audience do not match up.
    03-19-2018 07:29 AM
  4. Guest_aotf's Avatar
    LOL When will you stop lying???

    "Microsoft release numbers of Gold Subscribers every year."
    Please provide link to that in the last 3-4 years. And for your information Monthly active user is not the same as gold subscribers.

    Please provide links to all your claims. Can you provide the concurrent players for Forza as of now? Can you provide individual playerbases for Halo wars 2?

    "With Game Sharing for this whole generation and now Game Pass what good is sales numbers? They do not tell the story correctly at all. Unlike the competition where they don't have any of these factors added in at all. Because they don't give these options."
    What? What are you talking about. Equivalent systems exists. smh
    If the gamepass is so successful why aren't sharing the numbers? Wouldn't that information important to shareholders or are they too bad to show off?

    You bring a lot of you personal experience, talk a lot of "Lots of people".
    You know I'd rather trust an average score of a number of professional gamers than the opinion by a company fan such as yourself.
    At the end of the day these people write an entire article and justify their score and the metacritic score is an average score of 60-80 scores. Even if few gives unsually high or low scores at the end it just averages out.
    Like I said, just show us your progression on SoT in 1-2 months.

    "I have finished every single Zelda since the very first. Even the Gameboy game A Link To The Past."
    LOL! Knowing how often you lie, I doubt this is even true. The very fact that your refereing to Link to the past as "the gameboy game" shows were you're coming from. If you played all games wouldn't you be refereing it on the platform it actually originally came one?
    Who is really saying botw was the best zelda of all time? Personally I don't think it was. All I can do here is give m personal opinion. I played around 100 hours of that game and I had a much better time than the 10 hours I spent on SoT.

    Once again, we'll let gaming journalists give their opinion and we'll see how well this sells and we'll compare it to what Zelda botw did.
    03-19-2018 06:41 PM
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