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  1. tearfalls's Avatar
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    I did notice that the group messaging option is missing on the first day I got my Lumia 928. I used to have Lumia 920 on AT&T and I'm 100% sure that there is a group messaging option.

    However, the group messaging function still works fine for me. I can send one msg to multiple people and all their replies come back in that same dialogue thread. Everything in terms of group messaging works exactly the same as Lumia 920 does.

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    Except you're wrong.

    When a contact creates a group message and sends it, if you're in the list you get a message from a single sender. Furthermore, when anyone on the group message replies to all. That ALSO comes through as a singular message.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryan.kruger View Post
    Except you're wrong.

    When a contact creates a group message and sends it, if you're in the list you get a message from a single sender. Furthermore, when anyone on the group message replies to all. That ALSO comes through as a singular message.
    Those screenshots say otherwise... That looks like normal group text messaging on a non-VZW WP8. I'm really not certain what's going on there...

    Also, please don't be rude. The OP is simply posting an observation.
    Last edited by Rohanj; 07-08-2013 at 12:09 PM. Reason: Edit: Don't be rude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryan.kruger View Post
    Except you're wrong.

    When a contact creates a group message and sends it, if you're in the list you get a message from a single sender. Furthermore, when anyone on the group message replies to all. That ALSO comes through as a singular message.
    I don't understand what you mean. When I receive any group message, there are always multiple receivers in that message and everybody's reply will stay within that message.
    Last edited by tearfalls; 07-08-2013 at 01:21 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tearfalls View Post
    I don't understand what you mean. When I receive any group message, there are always multiple receivers in that message and everybody's reply will stay within that message.
    Can you post screenshots of your "About" page in settings? I'd be interested to see if you have update firmware or something along those lines? Also, have you done anything to the phone other than changing the language?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AR2186 View Post
    Can you post screenshots of your "About" page in settings? I'd be interested to see if you have update firmware or something along those lines? Also, have you done anything to the phone other than changing the language?
    I didn't change the language, just added another input methods.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tearfalls View Post
    I didn't change the language, just added another input methods.
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    Thanks, it appears as though you have the same software/firmware versions as I do (which i got on launch day). Unfortunately my MMS is currently disabled through work, so I can't test different scenarios. Is there any chance those are facebook / other social networking messages and not threaded text/MMS messages?

    Also, any idea if you've played around with Nokia Access Point and changed the settings? I imagine that might do it
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    Quote Originally Posted by AR2186 View Post
    Thanks, it appears as though you have the same software/firmware versions as I do (which i got on launch day). Unfortunately my MMS is currently disabled through work, so I can't test different scenarios. Is there any chance those are facebook / other social networking messages and not threaded text/MMS messages?

    Also, any idea if you've played around with Nokia Access Point and changed the settings? I imagine that might do it
    These are all text messages. And I have quite a few of them if you want to see more. And they all work normally like standard group messages.

    My theory is, there is actually a group messaging option which is hidden right now by Verizon. And since I have a Lumia 920 before and I restored all settings on my 928 using the 920 backups, that hidden option also got restored to Enabled. All the "security" or "compatibility" issues stated by Verizon are just crap. They want to promote some group msg app of their own for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tearfalls View Post
    These are all text messages. And I have quite a few of them if you want to see more. And they all work normally like standard group messages.

    My theory is, there is actually a group messaging option which is hidden right now by Verizon. And since I have a Lumia 920 before and I restored all settings on my 928 using the 920 backups, that hidden option also got restored to Enabled. All the "security" or "compatibility" issues stated by Verizon are just crap. They want to promote some group msg app of their own for sure.
    Interesting, how long have you had the 928? It looks like you're using it on Verizon, have you used it on any other carriers?

    I actually have two 928s now, and am thinking of flashing a generic 920 imagine instead of the 928's to see if i can get it to work on Verizon (likely won't work on CDMA, may work on LTE). I'm not sure how similar the internals are, but other than the radio and flash I think its the same (and i think the radio is controlled by the baseband). My sister is using a 620 I flashed to generic global variant for the next few weeks while she is abroad, so once she gets back I will try setting up my account on it and then restoring the 928 settings from the 620 to try and trigger the threaded messages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tearfalls View Post
    These are all text messages. And I have quite a few of them if you want to see more. And they all work normally like standard group messages.

    My theory is, there is actually a group messaging option which is hidden right now by Verizon. And since I have a Lumia 920 before and I restored all settings on my 928 using the 920 backups, that hidden option also got restored to Enabled. All the "security" or "compatibility" issues stated by Verizon are just crap. They want to promote some group msg app of their own for sure.
    This is a brilliant theory. Purely brilliant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AR2186 View Post
    Interesting, how long have you had the 928? It looks like you're using it on Verizon, have you used it on any other carriers?

    I actually have two 928s now, and am thinking of flashing a generic 920 imagine instead of the 928's to see if i can get it to work on Verizon (likely won't work on CDMA, may work on LTE). I'm not sure how similar the internals are, but other than the radio and flash I think its the same (and i think the radio is controlled by the baseband). My sister is using a 620 I flashed to generic global variant for the next few weeks while she is abroad, so once she gets back I will try setting up my account on it and then restoring the 928 settings from the 620 to try and trigger the threaded messages.
    I've had this one since May. 28th. Never used it on any other carriers other than Verizon. And the group msg function works well since day 1, both with restored previous group msg and newly initiated ones. I want to flash my Lumia 928 to a generic firmware too but I really don't want to lose the CDMA compatibility.
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    what do you mean you restored your 928 with 920 backups? how does one do that? any way for all of us to faux replicate this process just to fool the phone to toggle the group messaging on?
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    or, the way Bing maps is hidden on a Nokia WP but can still be accessed via a simple app download from the app store, would there be a way for someone to make a simple app that lets us toggle a hidden feature like group txt mms, same as the Bing maps download from the app store? seems like maybe one of the two solutions in my last two posts could be possible. idk the process of restoring a phone from a backup, but if the backing up process generates some kind of file you then use to restore settings on the phone, could someone essentially upload somewhere a backup from a factory reset 920 that had nothing altered other than the group mms setting toggled on from which we could all use to fool the phone to turn on group mms since we obviously can't see it in the messaging settings as verizon has it hidden?
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    Ok, how do we flag this to the WPCentral authors to investigate this further as a possible fix/mod/hack/fake/whatever? I'm really curious as to whether or not this is a situation that can be duplicated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tvolpe86 View Post
    what do you mean you restored your 928 with 920 backups? how does one do that? any way for all of us to faux replicate this process just to fool the phone to toggle the group messaging on?
    When you sign in to a new phone it asks if you want to restore from a backup or start from scratch. If you restore, it pulls down all the settings and app lists to the phone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffrey Fox View Post
    Ok, how do we flag this to the WPCentral authors to investigate this further as a possible fix/mod/hack/fake/whatever? I'm really curious as to whether or not this is a situation that can be duplicated.
    Great idea! Staff members, PLEASE look into this? <3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AR2186 View Post
    When you sign in to a new phone it asks if you want to restore from a backup or start from scratch. If you restore, it pulls down all the settings and app lists to the phone.

    Would the same be true with the Trophy to 928?
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    Quote Originally Posted by berty6294 View Post
    Would the same be true with the Trophy to 928?
    I'm betting it doesn't, think its only WP8.

    Its under Settings -> Backup "Save Stuff to the Cloud". If its there, you may be able to do it
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryan.kruger View Post
    Except you're wrong.

    When a contact creates a group message and sends it, if you're in the list you get a message from a single sender. Furthermore, when anyone on the group message replies to all. That ALSO comes through as a singular message.
    So I'll try again with this tomorrow, but when I tried a few days ago on reports that this was "fixed" I experienced what is described above, exactly.

    That is, I did not get responses in a single thread but instead as separate, unique messages...not grouped :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Rubino View Post
    So I'll try again with this tomorrow, but when I tried a few days ago on reports that this was "fixed" I experienced what is described above, exactly.

    That is, I did not get responses in a single thread but instead as separate, unique messages...not grouped :/
    Thank you Daniel, this is probably my biggest gripe when having to explain my phone to the "iPhone friends" in my social circle. Really looking forward to Verizon (or anyone for that matter) fixing this group messaging nonsense they've put onto us.
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    I don't think everyone's phones whom the feature hasn't worked on are just going to start working. No updates OTA have been issued. My friend can already vouch for it having not worked today. I only just received mine and it isn't activated yet so I can't tell yet. Something must be different about the OP's phone compared to others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Rubino View Post
    So I'll try again with this tomorrow, but when I tried a few days ago on reports that this was "fixed" I experienced what is described above, exactly.

    That is, I did not get responses in a single thread but instead as separate, unique messages...not grouped :/
    Daniel, are you sure you understand what we are talking about? The post you quoted is not the information we want you to see... lol

    We want you to use a Microsoft account on an AT&T Lumia 920 and make sure the group message setting is turned on. Then on a brand new/reset Verizon phone, sign into your Microsoft account and restore the backup of your Lumia 920 over the air.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Carpenter View Post
    Daniel, are you sure you understand what we are talking about? The post you quoted is not the information we want you to see... lol

    We want you to use a Microsoft account on an AT&T Lumia 920 and make sure the group message setting is turned on. Then on a brand new/reset Verizon phone, sign into your Microsoft account and restore the backup of your Lumia 920 over the air.
    Ideally we'd have you reset both a AT&T 920 and a VZW 928, choose to not restore settings to the 920, initiate a group message with some threaded responses and make sure all settings and texts are backed up to the cloud. Then on the 928 when you log in, pull down the cloud backup of the 920.

    I only suggest wiping both because I am having problems with MMS on my primary 928 that I restored from an 8x (settings not working properly), but if I pop my SIM into my backup 928, MMS worked once I reset the phone (didn't work when it was restored from the 8x).
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    yes and if it gives you the option (as I've never done this before) to ONLY back up settings (or just messaging settings, idk how specific it lets you get) from the 920 after you've confirmed group mms is enabled on that phone because that's all that's needed on the 928. we just need the group mms setting to carry over in the restore. technically he can use any 920 or wp8 device not on verizon, regardless of whether or not it has service just so long as the group mms feature is visible and not hidden like on vzw. toggle it on, backup settings, restore settings on 928 from your account, then see if the enabled group mms setting carried over and works on the 928.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tvolpe86 View Post
    yes and if it gives you the option (as I've never done this before) to ONLY back up settings (or just messaging settings, idk how specific it lets you get) from the 920 after you've confirmed group mms is enabled on that phone because that's all that's needed on the 928. we just need the group mms setting to carry over in the restore. technically he can use any 920 or wp8 device not on verizon, regardless of whether or not it has service just so long as the group mms feature is visible and not hidden like on vzw. toggle it on, backup settings, restore settings on 928 from your account, then see if the enabled group mms setting carried over and works on the 928.
    as I said, I have problems with a restore of my 8x on my 928, so trying with the 920 or 925 makes the most sense (though the 925 has gdr2). If this works i plan on testing with a 620 but that will be a few weeks away (family member has it)
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