1. Prometheus2021's Avatar
    Is there hope that a "Surface Phone' will be available in the near future? Or should this be our wake up call, and throw in the towel just like Nadella has done with Windows Mobile and move on? What are your thoughts?

    As a die-hard Windows Phone user, going back to the good old days of Windows Mobile 6.5. Having owned an HTC Wizard, an HTC Fuze, an HTC HD2, and all the way down to my current Lumia 950XL, having to put up with the "refresh" of Windows Phone 7, then Windows 8, and 8.1, the news of Windows Phone being "dead' is very painful, and frustrating thing to hear, specially when other platforms are getting the preferred treatment for MS Services and Apps. After slowly coming to terms with the news that the platform will not be invested on in the near future, I am starting to wonder if it is even worth it to keep on trucking like an obstinate MS fanatic that I've always been. Should I just give in to the Androids or iPhones like the rest of the people seem to be doing, and be assimilated in to the rest of the heard, or is there still any sliver of hope that Windows Mobile will arisen from the ashes like a phoenix and usher in a new world of mobile computing?
    10-17-2017 01:02 AM
  2. Tyler Wandtke's Avatar
    Seems like an awful lot of work for Microsoft to invest in Windows 10 Arm, CShell, Andromeda, and UWP for it to only amount to Desktops and Laptops. If I had to guess they're killing W10M only because it isn't Windows 10 and the mobile development has been handed to the Desktop team who isn't ready yet. Joe Belfiore is only focused on Android and IOS because he failed to bring in users on W10M. Microsoft is too big to give into making an Android phone so here's to hoping they're going to start making phones more like PCs. Imagine being able to buy any phone you want and dual boot operating systems.
    10-17-2017 01:12 AM
  3. Prometheus2021's Avatar
    Originally posted by Tyler Wandtke
    Seems like an awful lot of work for Microsoft to invest in Windows 10 Arm, CShell, Andromeda, and UWP for it to only amount to Desktops and Laptops. If I had to guess they're killing W10M only because it isn't Windows 10 and the mobile development has been handed to the Desktop team who isn't ready yet. Joe Belfiore is only focused on Android and IOS because he failed to bring in users on W10M. Microsoft is too big to give into making an Android phone so here's to hoping they're going to start making phones more like PCs. Imagine being able to buy any phone you want and dual boot operating systems.
    That is a very pleasant thought, to be able to dual boot different OSs on the same device. Still I want to just be able to do everything using my one device of choice, and since I have almost everything in my arsenal MS branded, I would like for this device to be the much rumored (and maybe at this point "never gonna happen") Surface Phone. I really love the designed of the Surface brand and the innovations they have brought. I specially like the idea of a foldable device that will be bundled with a pen just like the Surface Pro.
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    10-17-2017 01:35 AM
  4. Satish Singh's Avatar
    Is there hope that a "Surface Phone' will be available in the near future? Or should this be our wake up call, and throw in the towel just like Nadella has done with Windows Mobile and move on? What are your thoughts?

    As a die-hard Windows Phone user, going back to the good old days of Windows Mobile 6.5. Having owned an HTC Wizard, an HTC Fuze, an HTC HD2, and all the way down to my current Lumia 950XL, having to put up with the "refresh" of Windows Phone 7, then Windows 8, and 8.1, the news of Windows Phone being "dead' is very painful, and frustrating thing to hear, specially when other platforms are getting the preferred treatment for MS Services and Apps. After slowly coming to terms with the news that the platform will not be invested on in the near future, I am starting to wonder if it is even worth it to keep on trucking like an obstinate MS fanatic that I've always been. Should I just give in to the Androids or iPhones like the rest of the people seem to be doing, and be assimilated in to the rest of the heard, or is there still any sliver of hope that Windows Mobile will arisen from the ashes like a phoenix and usher in a new world of mobile computing?
    I think that if you buy the left over Windows Phones like HP Elite X3, Lumia 950 and L950 xl now, it can last you another 2 to 3 years. In that time, I am sure that something "new" will come up. It can be Microsoft or not. I do not care now. But I want something new and better and Android does not fit in any of these categories.
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    10-17-2017 01:59 AM
  5. Prometheus2021's Avatar
    Originally posted by Satish Singh
    I think that if you buy the left over Windows Phones like HP Elite X3, Lumia 950 and L950 xl now, it can last you another 2 to 3 years. In that time, I am sure that something "new" will come up. It can be Microsoft or not. I do not care now. But I want something new and better and Android does not fit in any of these categories.
    I hope we the "New" device sooner rather than later, I do not want to be waiting long for a device that meets my needs.
    10-17-2017 02:23 AM
  6. Guytronic's Avatar
    I hope we the "New" device sooner rather than later, I do not want to be waiting long for a device that meets my needs.
    Ummmm...talk about not paying attention :)

    A major player at MS has indicated that Microsoft is "not" focusing on mobile presently.
    I understand that MS has been leading people to believe that WM has been alive for some time now.

    It's time to re-group and find alternatives or continue knowing that WM is on life support that will end very soon (my opinion)
    aximtreo, libra89 and kaktus1389 like this.
    10-17-2017 03:38 AM
  7. Troy Tiscareno's Avatar
    99% of mobile users are on iOS and Android. Nadella recognizes that, and his mobile focus is on providing MS apps and services for those platforms - because that's where the users are.

    If MS released a "surface phone", what percentage of those people would switch? Clearly, well under 2%, which means there's no point in doing it, because it would have the same problem that WinPhone has had all this time: a lack of developer interest.

    Yes, MS has been working on various "solutions" for that problem - but, again, developers just aren't interested, and until that changes, nothing else matters.

    People don't want to run apps with a desktop UI on mobile phones, and few have any desire to use their phone as a PC. Maybe someday in the future that will change, but today, most people just don't care, and so developers don't care. No developers = no platform.
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    10-18-2017 02:18 PM
  8. Satish Singh's Avatar
    99% of mobile users are on iOS and Android. Nadella recognizes that, and his mobile focus is on providing MS apps and services for those platforms - because that's where the users are.

    If MS released a "surface phone", what percentage of those people would switch? Clearly, well under 2%, which means there's no point in doing it, because it would have the same problem that WinPhone has had all this time: a lack of developer interest.

    Yes, MS has been working on various "solutions" for that problem - but, again, developers just aren't interested, and until that changes, nothing else matters.

    People don't want to run apps with a desktop UI on mobile phones, and few have any desire to use their phone as a PC. Maybe someday in the future that will change, but today, most people just don't care, and so developers don't care. No developers = no platform.
    I will ask you a question. What do you think was the market share of Nokia and BB in 2007? Still Apple under Steve Jobs launched iPhone. If Steve Jobs had paid heed to the market share of Symbian, iPhones would never had seen the daylight. Instead he himself supervised the design of iPhones and made sure that it did not become a catastrophe like Lumia 950. Products are neither good nor bad. It's their implementation that makes them good or bad. Windows phones failed not because of the market share of Android and iOS or because of lack of apps. It failed because it was poorly implemented and the only one responsible for this is Microsoft & its CEO.
    v_emman, kaktus1389 and mtf1380 like this.
    10-18-2017 03:25 PM
  9. tgp's Avatar
    I will ask you a question. What do you think was the market share of Nokia and BB in 2007? Still Apple under Steve Jobs launched iPhone. If Steve Jobs had paid heed to the market share of Symbian, iPhones would never had seen the daylight. Instead he himself supervised the design of iPhones and made sure that it did not become a catastrophe like Lumia 950. Products are neither good nor bad. It's their implementation that makes them good or bad. Windows phones failed not because of the market share of Android and iOS or because of lack of apps. It failed because it was poorly implemented and the only one responsible for this is Microsoft & its CEO.
    Good thoughts. The iPhone of 2007 was in no way similar to the Lumia 950 in 2015, or any other WP/WM device for that matter. The iPhone embraced the concept of a non-stylus touch interface with a virtual keyboard. WP/WM, on the other hand, was another "me too" device.
    10-18-2017 04:14 PM
  10. Satish Singh's Avatar
    Good thoughts. The iPhone of 2007 was in no way similar to the Lumia 950 in 2015, or any other WP/WM device for that matter. The iPhone embraced the concept of a non-stylus touch interface with a virtual keyboard. WP/WM, on the other hand, was another "me too" device.
    I think Continuum in addition to UWP could have become a killer feature if it was implemented properly.
    10-18-2017 04:31 PM
  11. mtf1380's Avatar
    There was a time (the late 80's) when 99% of ALL computing was done on an IBM compatible PC... if Apple would have thrown in the towel back then, they "DEFINITELY" wouldn't be where they are today. I, too, want a G.D. Windows OS phone!!!!!!!
    Guytronic and cool8man like this.
    10-18-2017 04:53 PM
  12. tgp's Avatar
    I think Continuum in addition to UWP could have become a killer feature if it was implemented properly.
    Sure it could have, but I doubt it's a feature that is important enough to sell a significant number of devices.
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    10-18-2017 09:34 PM
  13. L0n3N1nja's Avatar
    Rumored for like 3 years, nothing official from Microsoft, I doubt it is even being worked on.
    10-18-2017 10:01 PM
  14. cool8man's Avatar
    Imagine if they had waited until Windows on ARM was completed and/or Surface Phone was announced before they pulled the plug on Windows Mobile 10. That's what a competent well-managed company would do. I guess it wouldn't be Microsoft then. The incoherent zig-zags with this idiotic company are maddening.

    2013 Microsoft tells everyone a Kinect is mandatory for Xbox One and will never be sold without one.
    2014-2017 Microsoft removes Kinect, kills off its features, removes its ports, never mentions it.
    2015 Everyone is talking about VR so Microsoft heavily promotes augmented reality w/ HoloLens instead.
    2015-2017 HoloLens never gets to consumers.
    2017 Microsoft makes a big VR push for consumers while Apple/Google are now focused on AR development.
    2016-2017 Microsoft puts a ton of effort into improving Groove Music.
    2017 Microsoft kills Groove and tells everyone to use Spotify instead.
    2015-2016 Microsoft makes a big sales pitch for Continuum for phones mimicking the Windows desktop.
    2016-2017 Microsoft announces full Windows on ARM which makes Continuum completely pointless.
    2017 Microsoft refuses to put WoA on small tablets or large phones despite that being the only logical choice.
    2017 Microsoft goes out of it's way to kill off WinMo and promotes Android/iOS use as much as possible.
    2018 Microsoft debuts new mobile Windows on ARM which can be used on phones???

    The strategies of this company make about as much sense as their product numbering schemes.
    werner6769 and SirThoreth like this.
    10-18-2017 11:05 PM
  15. werner6769's Avatar
    Couldn't have said it better. If a product isn't an instant hit, they drop it and start over.
    10-18-2017 11:11 PM
  16. Satish Singh's Avatar
    Imagine if they had waited until Windows on ARM was completed and/or Surface Phone was announced before they pulled the plug on Windows Mobile 10. That's what a competent well-managed company would do. I guess it wouldn't be Microsoft then. The incoherent zig-zags with this idiotic company are maddening.

    2013 Microsoft tells everyone a Kinect is mandatory for Xbox One and will never be sold without one.
    2014-2017 Microsoft removes Kinect, kills off its features, removes its ports, never mentions it.
    2015 Everyone is talking about VR so Microsoft heavily promotes augmented reality w/ HoloLens instead.
    2015-2017 HoloLens never gets to consumers.
    2017 Microsoft makes a big VR push for consumers while Apple/Google are now focused on AR development.
    2016-2017 Microsoft puts a ton of effort into improving Groove Music.
    2017 Microsoft kills Groove and tells everyone to use Spotify instead.
    2015-2016 Microsoft makes a big sales pitch for Continuum for phones mimicking the Windows desktop.
    2016-2017 Microsoft announces full Windows on ARM which makes Continuum completely pointless.
    2017 Microsoft refuses to put WoA on small tablets or large phones despite that being the only logical choice.
    2017 Microsoft goes out of it's way to kill off WinMo and promotes Android/iOS use as much as possible.
    2018 Microsoft debuts new mobile Windows on ARM which can be used on phones???

    The strategies of this company make about as much sense as their product numbering schemes.
    That very much summarizes Microsoft under Nadella. They were all over the place. So they may launch a Surface phone in 2018 but then kill it by 2020. I personally want a non Microsoft alternative to Android and iOS.
    SirThoreth likes this.
    10-18-2017 11:18 PM

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