1. The Werewolf's Avatar
    The 650 is by far the lesser set of hardware. Unless you're dying for a phone that looks like a reject iPhone, not sure why you'd like the 650's design, either. Neither is especially attractive, but I find the 650 to be downright ugly, and it's a slower device. There's a reason the 950 is hundred of dollars more.
    The 650 looks nothing like an iPhone. Not sure how you come to this conclusion. Either you've never seen a 650 or you've never seen iPhones... Personally I think the 650 is rather elegant looking - it's light and thin.

    The 950 is the superior phone spec wise, but it's also a lot more expensive - 2.5x as expensive.

    However, for the price, the 650 is no slouch and even includes an NFC chipset, something that doesn't come in until much high prices. The aluminum chassis is also fairly unusual at this price.

    I think the best way to look at it is - the 950 is a good top of line phone if you need all the features and horsepower. The 650 is an exceptional low end phone that punches above its price while being classy. It just doesn't feel like a low end phone.
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    05-09-2016 01:31 AM
  2. cracgor's Avatar
    I keep my phone in my fanny pack where it is safest. Anyway, this pocket thing is threatening to take over a thread about choosing between the 950 and 650. I think most of us can agree you keep your phone in the pocket you want to and don't complain if it gets broken through your own fault (the original person even took ownership of this...kudos).

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    05-09-2016 01:52 AM
  3. Mad Cabbie's Avatar
    Which is best is very subjective. Some will say the 650, some the 950, and I would say the 950xl, because that's what I use most of the time. For pure aesthetics, I would vote for the 1520. I like the 650 and the 550. I think the 640 is a vastly underrated device. So as you can tell, my suggestions are purely personal.

    My advice, if you were able to, would be to get hands on with a device, and see what floats your boat. Also, check out the device threads on WC and see what irritants or annoyances others have come across.
    05-09-2016 03:50 AM
  4. dirkheinrichs's Avatar
    I bought my 650 four weeks ago. Before I had a 920. It took for a while before I made the switch. I thought the 650 would not as good as the 920. I must say that I like my 650 very much. A very cheap price, extern memory, fast, stabile and so on. Not so much difference than mine 920.
    For me the 950 was very much too expansive. And the difference too less comparing with the 650. Now I have a very good phone and in two or three years I can buy the new generation Window Phones. I have very much believe in a better future for the Window phones, special with Redstone.
    Dirk
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    05-09-2016 04:36 AM
  5. seasidepb's Avatar
    There are things which the 650 won't do - demanding games, Continuum, but since I have no interest in either the 650 was the obvious choice. I hesitated a bit - a lot of reviews were sniffy about its apparently low spec processor, but in the three weeks I've had it I've been delighted, which makes you wonder about reviewers and the real world. I guess there's a bigger point too ... Unless they're going to be your primary device flagship phones are pretty pointless. I have a desktop, and a nice portable 2 in 1 (not to mention a small high quality camera) so all I want from a phone is good call management, a good set of PIM apps, email and other messaging, mobile music and internet access when I need it. Having reasonable cameras for the odd snap is a bonus, and with its good screen and nice build quality the 650 is one of the best mid-range options on the market, and probably the best value. It's apparently designed for people like me, and really well designed.
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    05-09-2016 05:34 AM
  6. Roderick Aspiras's Avatar
    This is an easy decision to make. If you have the money then 950. If you are on a budget then 650 but I will caution you because 650 is under powered and has small battery. If I were you I will shell out some money and get the 950 with a mozo cover or get that cheap metal case from China. Its all over ebay.
    05-09-2016 08:37 AM
  7. ScubaDog's Avatar
    My wife and I both made the mistake of buy a couple of Lumia 950's. Worst decision ever. Windows 10 doesn't work any better of these overpriced pieces of garbage than on lesser devices. The design is cheap looking, no better than the 640, and the quality of the hardware is an embarrassment. The camera is NOT as good as the 1020. I continue to use my 1020 as my daily driver because the 950 experience is so horrible.
    05-09-2016 09:12 AM
  8. Yvar369's Avatar
    I bought the 650 (dual sim) over the 950 (dual sim) because of the price. So far I am not disappointed by the 650 (because I knew I the pro's and con's). It feels and looks good, performs well, but is not the fastest device out there. The UI is still snappy, but apps take their time to open. The screen looks absolutely good for a budget device! Mail, internet, chatting, FB and car navigation are my main usage. No gaming.
    The thing is, -I- can live with the slower speed of the device and can use the 650 on a daily base. I do not know what you want to do with yours.
    05-09-2016 09:17 AM
  9. Nelle Douville's Avatar
    My wife and I both made the mistake of buy a couple of Lumia 950's. Worst decision ever. Windows 10 doesn't work any better of these overpriced pieces of garbage than on lesser devices. The design is cheap looking, no better than the 640, and the quality of the hardware is an embarrassment. The camera is NOT as good as the 1020. I continue to use my 1020 as my daily driver because the 950 experience is so horrible.
    My 950 works great, and I've no issues with quality. I guess it comes down to personal preference.
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    05-09-2016 09:31 AM
  10. Donald Simard1's Avatar
    a 5+ inch phone in the front pocket sounds uncomfortable - especially when sitting down! yikes.
    with keys in one pocket and money clip in the other, I worry that the phone will get all scratched up. I use my back pocket for phone (650 - was 830 until the mic stopped working on it).
    05-09-2016 11:28 AM
  11. Jakob Greve's Avatar
    Well I'm heading out to buy a Lumia 950xl this instant coming from crackberry. So I hope things like happen here - I like development - Hope I'll enjoy my shift to Windows-central.
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    05-09-2016 11:42 AM
  12. TrueMetalGeek's Avatar
    I've had my 950xl for about four months or so.
    It was the first phone I ever paid full price off contact for.

    During the time I've had it I've continued to use the preview builds.
    Wow some builds really messed things up. Badly at times.

    Right now I'm no longer on the fast ring previews with build 14295.1005 at the moment.

    Now it's working the best it ever has with just only a few bugs left.
    It's working like a top tier phone now.

    I use my phones a lot.
    I use about 20-30 gigs of data each month so the battery has to be good and this is about as good as it gets.

    I use a cheap eBay case that has some rubber to wrap around it and plastic over part of that.
    They don't make an Otterbox unfortunately.
    I did cut the sides of the rubber that goes over the camera button so it would be easier to push and feel the movement of the camera two stage button.

    The corner of the case is currently broken from dropping it a dozen times but the phone is still fine. That's what cases are for.
    I don't runs screen protector either because modern gorilla glass doesn't scratch and I like the feel without the screen cover.

    I keep the phone in my front pocket but make sure it is in there loose before i sit.
    I also often use the cargo pocket over the front of my thigh in my work pants or shorts etc and that seems to help keep it safe
    It's a good phone.

    Also not mentioned much here is that the 950xl is your spec and better looking than the standard 950.
    05-09-2016 12:28 PM
  13. chinni subhash's Avatar
    Hi. Even I am a Microsoft fan and I used to use HTC 8x before my 950 xl. 650 is a great phone but I don't prefer such low end processor and also as u r a fan and wanna try something great, I would definitely suggest you to buy 950 xl which is great. I have had no problems after recent updates. Don't try the insider rings.The back panel creaks but u can fix it and also u can order different colors from china which don't creak at all. I have blue and orange. 950 has the best camera. Windows 10 has to be optimized. Continuum is just great. U can even connect to Ethernet using an adapter. So thumbs up for 950 and not 650
    05-09-2016 12:40 PM
  14. rav4kar's Avatar
    If you live in USA, you get Brand new unlocked Lumia 950 for $399 or less on ebay, go with that if you can afford, It's my best advice. I spent about 30 minutes with Lumia 650 in a MS store and it's simply not great other than look and weight. Lumia 950 is a future proof Windows Mobile device!!
    05-09-2016 12:51 PM
  15. ScubaDog's Avatar
    I have NEVER had an issue or needed to worry about this with the Lumia 900, 920 or 1020. THOSE were all beautiful, colorful and SOLIDLY built devices. The 950 is an overpriced piece of garbage. Worst money I spent. Followed by the Xbox One.
    05-09-2016 04:14 PM
  16. ScubaDog's Avatar
    My 950 works great, and I've no issues with quality. I guess it comes down to personal preference.
    .
    Our personal experience is having come from the 920 and 1020, which were beautiful, solid designs that worked smoothly with Windows Phone 8.1. Windows 10 Mobile is crap, as have been pretty much all the Lumia devices using the typical Android-like candybar design.
    05-09-2016 04:17 PM
  17. johnh3's Avatar
    I have issues with my Lumia 950. The edge browser show sites wrong sometimes etc.. It get hot and have not so long battery life. My cheap Lumia 550 actually work better in that aspect. Had no issues with edge in that device. So I think Lumia 650 is a better device. It is the latest model also and are probably best adapted/optimised to Windows 10 Mobile. It may be slower but I think the 950 in general was not as good that I was expected it to be.
    05-09-2016 05:40 PM
  18. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    The 650 looks nothing like an iPhone. Not sure how you come to this conclusion. Either you've never seen a 650 or you've never seen iPhones... Personally I think the 650 is rather elegant looking - it's light and thin.

    The 950 is the superior phone spec wise, but it's also a lot more expensive - 2.5x as expensive.

    However, for the price, the 650 is no slouch and even includes an NFC chipset, something that doesn't come in until much high prices. The aluminum chassis is also fairly unusual at this price.

    I think the best way to look at it is - the 950 is a good top of line phone if you need all the features and horsepower. The 650 is an exceptional low end phone that punches above its price while being classy. It just doesn't feel like a low end phone.
    See, I can repeat exactly what you said because you're not basing your comment on anything but thinly veiled insults. The 650 absolutely looks like an iPhone, especially from the back, due to the black body, simple, silver logo in the center, and the lightly colored, metal band around the sides. Other than the camera location, it SCREAMS "iPhone 4."

    Now, after that, I'd just suggest you don't know much about tech, if you think the 650 "is no slouch." It uses about the lowest-end chip Qualcomm offers in 2016, with that bottom-end SD 212. The passing of NFC, I'd put that more on cutting corners in markets where it wasn't a big deal, since mobile payments (which W10M doesn't even handle) weren't really around. Years ago, an NFC chip was something like $17, not a big investment. They're probably negligible in cost nowadays, and it more speaks to the trickle-down of technology that's obvious (like how low-end phones now carry HD displays, when they were reserved for high-end devices 3-4 years ago, like NFC). It's A phone without NFC will probably be the exception going forward. You get that aluminum chassis because of the massive tradeoffs on the internals--dropping from the SD 400 series to the 200 series, having a smaller battery, no noticeable/significant improvements to the display or camera. The 650 is a style-over-substance device, the exact thing that Apple's survived on for years, and the exact kind of device I'd never recommend someone I know to buy.
    05-09-2016 11:37 PM
  19. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    What is so ugly about a rectangular slab of glass, plastic and metal frame ? I had the 950, which was a good phone btw, but for my needs I find my 650 to be perfectly capable of what I need a mobile device for.
    We all have our opinions. As far as the 650 being an iPhone reject, please...the 650 is by far the most aesthetically pleasing Microsoft branded Lumia to date, no contest. This is how the 950/XL should have been designed to begin with.
    The color of the logo and metal band and the overly rounded corners. I don't like that design, never have. It's why I liked the 930's design more than the 920's (especially the 930s that didn't have that hideous, light band). I mean, your opinion is that you don't need high-tech stuff. That's fine. That your standards are low for a phone doesn't mean the 650 isn't overpriced and underpowered. If you think the 650 is the best-looking Lumia, I recommend your next device be an iPhone 4. It's literally the ugliest Lumia I've seen, with only the 400 and 500 series as contenders.

    If the 950 had been designed like that, I'd have been irate because it would have meant junk hardware. The 650's full of entry-level parts and given a much higher price tag because of that gaudy design. The 640 had better internals, relative to the market. The 650 is a gussied-up Lumia 520/521, given its processor class. It's what you buy when you want something shiny over something with good internals, which is why I see it as an iPhone reject--it looks like and iPhone, it fills the niche of an iPhone, and the person I'm replying to sounds like a traditional iPhone user--"it just works and it's pretty."
    05-09-2016 11:42 PM
  20. Matt Dargis's Avatar
    950 and 950XL should have come with back plates like these as options offered from MS. $45-$50 is an absolutely ridiculous price for a back plate.
    05-10-2016 02:17 AM
  21. Memnoch2099's Avatar
    Uh... I think that can happen to most phones...
    I had to laugh... I'm sorry but because of that I say I go with the 650... it was so light and thin that you didn't feel it in your back pocket until you felt it scrunch... now that is an awesomely light and thin phone :D
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    05-10-2016 06:11 AM
  22. earthman007's Avatar
    I was eager to get the 950 or 950xl prior to launch, because they were potentially very advanced in their functionality and would sport Windows 10. However, they are no longer the only Windows 10 phones around or projected for the near future. As with most products that we might buy, whether a car, phone, whatever, ultimately we'll probably have absolute minimum specifications that we need and some optional features that could be nice to have, if we're willing to afford to spend more.

    The 650 isn't too expensive and is fairly reasonable for a device that runs Windows 10 and has the core functionality that many would find satisfactory for a smartphone - it also has Office bundled. I love the very slim handset size and this would this attracts me to it very strongly. I don't particularly find the 950 models outstandingly stunning - but I'm also not someone who needs the cachet of a device that will turn heads etc. I'd use either but find the 650 far more manageable to carry around. I don't usually have a bag, so the concept of a bulky and fairly heavy object always loaded on me - eg, in summer when I prefer light clothing, isn't wondrous. The phones of yesteryear followed a trajectory at one point towards small and very neat style: I rather liked that, so am deterred by the opposite direction that is currently under way towards gargantuan.

    Op - determine your minimum requirements, how you'll transport it, your budget over time: so you'll get a feel for the total cost of ownership etc (replacing frequently would probably hint towards lower effective cost).
    05-10-2016 07:15 AM
  23. DLong4's Avatar
    I own both the 950 and the 650. I prefer the 950 because of its power. Everything loads quickly, whereas the 650 is noticeably sluggish and sometimes frustrating with its lack of RAM; when you need a camera app to load, you don't want to have to reboot your phone first.

    The 650 is very stylish, though, especially with a folding Mozo case.

    Edit: Another difference I hadn't seen mentioned in the responses yet is that the 650 charges rather slowly.
    05-10-2016 07:30 AM
  24. TLRtheory's Avatar
    It depends where you fall on the material snob scale.

    The 950's a better phone in all regards... but with companies like Apple and sites like The Verge making it ever popular to "judge a book by it's cover" that may mean the 650 is more appealing to those who just want the premium "feel". I got a Mozo case because the material makes it easier to grip... but yeah, also *feels* more premium for the material snobs.
    05-10-2016 08:08 AM
  25. Ron Simpson's Avatar
    I think this is an oranges and bananas question (certainly not an apples and oranges one). I don't think the phones should be compared. They are very different smartphones, as different as the needs/wants they would support. I need the high-end 950 XL Dual SIM and so swallow the higher cost. But my needs/wants are not others.
    Regarding the 950 plasticy back, how many of us don't cover our phones with protective cases? How important is the back other than for keeping the innards in anyway? And for those who want a snazzier back, Microsoft has created not just a case market, but a "back market". Capitalism is a good thing.
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    05-10-2016 08:30 AM
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