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  1. Gunbust3r's Avatar
    I'm just curious to see if the 950's will get the Verizon "treatment" It's like they did things just to see how far they could push MS/Nokia for fun.

    1: Are the corners square? Make a custom model for us with round.
    2: Are the corners round? Make a custom model for us with square.
    3: Rip out standard visual voicemail. We have a craptastic app and $3/month charge for that.
    4: Lets see how big we can make our gumpy check mark logo on the phone.
    5: Sabotage MMS if you try to use the handset on another carrier. Laugh at the FCC
    6: First class ticket to the back of any retail store display, make sure even blackberry has better placement.
    7: Don't sell the handset in retail at all.
    8: Software updates? haha "Coming Soon"
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    08-05-2015 01:37 PM
  2. to_be_announced's Avatar
    I'm just curious to see if the 950's will get the Verizon "treatment" It's like they did things just to see how far they could push MS/Nokia for fun.

    1: Are the corners square? Make a custom model for us with round.
    2: Are the corners round? Make a custom model for us with square.
    3: Rip out standard visual voicemail. We have a craptastic app and $3/month charge for that.
    4: Lets see how big we can make our gumpy check mark logo on the phone.
    5: Sabotage MMS if you try to use the handset on another carrier. Laugh at the FCC
    6: First class ticket to the back of any retail store display, make sure even blackberry has better placement.
    7: Don't sell the handset in retail at all.
    8: Software updates? haha "Coming Soon™"
    The visual voice mail thing really bothers me. That should just be standard fair in this day and age. Ridiculous to charge extra for this feature. And while it is a fantastic feature, I REFUSE to pay extra for it.
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    08-05-2015 01:46 PM
  3. gernerttl's Avatar
    I'm just curious to see if the 950's will get the Verizon "treatment" It's like they did things just to see how far they could push MS/Nokia for fun.

    1: Are the corners square? Make a custom model for us with round.
    2: Are the corners round? Make a custom model for us with square.
    3: Rip out standard visual voicemail. We have a craptastic app and $3/month charge for that.
    4: Lets see how big we can make our gumpy check mark logo on the phone.
    5: Sabotage MMS if you try to use the handset on another carrier. Laugh at the FCC
    6: First class ticket to the back of any retail store display, make sure even blackberry has better placement.
    7: Don't sell the handset in retail at all.
    8: Software updates? haha "Coming Soon™"

    First. Here is an article showing confirmed prototype images. So yes, corners are square.

    Images of the Microsoft Lumia 950 (XL) prototype revealed for the first time | Windows Central

    To answer the rest. If Microsoft makes the 950/950XL to work on ALL networks, then most if not all of what you listed won't happen. As far as updates... we'll see. Verizon didn't jump quick on the WP8.1/Cyan bandwagon, but we WERE the first (well 2nd after the 928) to get WP8.1/Denim. So the only thing we missed out on was... oh yeah... nothing.

    If the 950/950XL is unbranded and is capable of working on Verizon's network, then Microsoft is on the hook for all updates. Verizon never said it would not allow Microsoft Lumia devices on its network, it just said it doesn't want to sell them. Like I said in a previous post. Verizon's revenue from device sales is negligible. So by allowing Microsoft devices onto its network won't impact that, but it will still generate revenue on its core business; which is selling wireless voice, text, and data services.

    P.S. As far as "sabotaging" MMS... you think maybe Nokia sabotaged it so it wouldn't cut into 930 sales. Evidently, the Icon works on more LTE networks than the 930 does. The Icon was designed as a "world phone", meaning it works (fully) practically anywhere. Not just here in the US, but overseas as well. The 930 only works fully in non-US markets. Just a thought...
    08-05-2015 02:48 PM
  4. Gunbust3r's Avatar
    If the 950/950XL is unbranded and is capable of working on Verizon's network,
    List one "unbranded" phone that works on the Verizon network. Oh wait you cant because Verizon has their CDMA firmware key and device white list on lock-down.
    08-05-2015 02:59 PM
  5. tgp's Avatar
    List one "unbranded" phone that works on the Verizon network. Oh wait you cant because Verizon has their CDMA firmware key and device white list on lock-down.
    I can.

    1. Nexus 6
    2. iPhone 6 (factory unlocked)
    3. iPhone 6+ (factory unlocked)

    Oops, that was three... And to add to it, the upcoming Moto X Style Pure Edition will supposedly work on Verizon as well.

    I've said this before; if Apple and Google (and Motorola) can do it, Microsoft can do it as well. The question is: will they?
    08-05-2015 03:41 PM
  6. theefman's Avatar
    I've said this before; if Apple and Google (and Motorola) can do it, Microsoft can do it as well. The question is: will they?
    I would bet no, the only real info we've had is that Microsoft cant be bothered with Verizon anymore so its doubtful they will make the effort. And seeing as WP sales on Verizon trail those of AT&T, T-Mobile and even Cricket https://www.thurrott.com/mobile/wind...-for-july-2015 don't think anyone can blame them.
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    08-05-2015 03:59 PM
  7. tgp's Avatar
    I wonder too if Microsoft will enable the unlocked flagship(s) for Verizon. We know it's possible. It probably depends, at least partially, on how much it costs to include the hardware for Verizon. It would streamline the process in that it eliminates a version if they wish to support Verizon, but how many would sell? If the cost is not too great, it would make sense to support the US's largest carrier.

    No US carrier is outstanding in supporting WP. It sounds like Microsoft will basically be on their own with unlocked phones, at least initially. This will in effect negate any small advantage Microsoft would have to cater to a carrier such as AT&T, who has at least made the appearance of supporting WP in the past. Verizon, being the largest US carrier, would be the most important for Microsoft.
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    08-05-2015 04:11 PM
  8. theefman's Avatar
    Only thing is, from the numbers in the link I posted Verizon being the largest carrier hasn't proved to be any help to the fortunes of WP in the US, as they are actually behind carriers that have smaller subscriber bases. They have more users but when they refuse to sell the devices to them what's the point? So while its often repeated here that WP needs to be on Verizon to succeed, the reality is that Verizon is not as influential as some believe or hope.



    And I think as long as Microsoft has a presence on AT&T and other carriers with devices they feel they can sell they can sell unlocked with no real negative effect on carrier sales
    08-05-2015 04:21 PM
  9. tgp's Avatar
    They have more users but when they refuse to sell the devices to them what's the point?
    By the way it sounds no carrier is going to be selling Talkman and Cityman, at least not initially. This removes any advantage by AT&T over Verizon in the support area. The MVNOs sell the cheap models anyway, so the upcoming flagships don't apply there.

    So while its often repeated here that WP needs to be on Verizon to succeed, the reality is that Verizon is not as influential as some believe or hope.
    Well, it could be argued that WP has not succeeded, at least not in the US. It has a negligible presence in the US, and dropping. Maybe they need Verizon's support. It certainly couldn't hurt!
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    08-05-2015 04:28 PM
  10. theefman's Avatar
    By the way it sounds no carrier is going to be selling Talkman and Cityman, at least not initially. This removes any advantage by AT&T over Verizon in the support area. The MVNOs sell the cheap models anyway, so the upcoming flagships don't apply there.
    I think one of the recent articles stated AT&T was likely to get the 940/50 whichever one that is but the larger XL wasn't mentioned as having a carrier. These two (plus the 840 mentioned later) were the only device expected to be released this year so it wouldn't make sense to go with only the unlocked option for both their new Win 10 showcase devices. I'd bet the article was right and ATT gets one at least at launch.

    Well, it could be argued that WP has not succeeded, at least not in the US. It has a negligible presence in the US, and dropping. Maybe they need Verizon's support. It certainly couldn't hurt!
    Well its going to be kind of hard from all the way back in fourth position behind Cricket and Tmo, cant see that amount of effort from Verizon to push WP.....
    08-05-2015 04:48 PM
  11. smunro622's Avatar
    I got fed up and got rid of Verizon, they screwed up the previous Nexus launches with Google, and now with the Nexus 6 line they only carry the 32 gig version. They are the worst to get updates from and I had had enough. I went to Cricket and use my 1520 with no issues and in the same places I used Verizon.
    08-06-2015 10:49 AM
  12. to_be_announced's Avatar
    First. Here is an article showing confirmed prototype images. So yes, corners are square.

    Images of the Microsoft Lumia 950 (XL) prototype revealed for the first time | Windows Central
    Actually, the corners are round. The only reason they look squared in that pic is because the phone has a case on it designed to hide it's true design. But very clearly has round corners.
    08-06-2015 03:00 PM
  13. gernerttl's Avatar
    I wonder too if Microsoft will enable the unlocked flagship(s) for Verizon. We know it's possible. It probably depends, at least partially, on how much it costs to include the hardware for Verizon. It would streamline the process in that it eliminates a version if they wish to support Verizon, but how many would sell? If the cost is not too great, it would make sense to support the US's largest carrier.
    It's not a hardware issue. With SoC technology, the chips come with ALL of the radios built in to them. It's just a matter of whether or not the radio is turned on by the chip maker and then supported in the firmware.

    The Snap Dragon 808 is no exception and is the exact same chip that the LG G4 uses.

    http://system-on-a-chip.specout.com/...on-808-MSM8992
    Last edited by gernerttl; 08-07-2015 at 02:42 AM.
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    08-07-2015 02:13 AM
  14. gernerttl's Avatar
    Actually, the corners are round. The only reason they look squared in that pic is because the phone has a case on it designed to hide it's true design. But very clearly has round corners.
    Let me revise my statement then. It has the same blocky rectangular look that just about every other Lumia has. Which, is in my opinion, a good thing. I like the shape of the Lumias.
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    08-07-2015 02:18 AM
  15. bamakore's Avatar
    you can take this with a grain of salt but was just in a corporate Verizon store hear in Decatur,Alabama to get my Icon a new sim to play around with windows 10 being its a spare phone now and the lady said that they were getting the 950/950XL which kinda surprised me.....thought i would never hear that from a person working there but then added if you own a xbox one or a windows 10 PC then a windows phone is what you would perfer for a minute thought she was a microsoft rep. but no she works for Verizon so maybe this will be a true statement
    08-07-2015 06:03 PM
  16. sph0308's Avatar
    The thought just occurred to me.... It hasn't been all that long since Verizon became a payment option in my phone's wallet. How bad can the relationship be if they've recently added carrier billing as an option?
    Also VZ just brought out the 735...if they were abandoning MS why would they bring out a mid tier phone ? Why a 735 and not a 950 XL ?
    08-07-2015 06:24 PM
  17. gernerttl's Avatar
    you can take this with a grain of salt but was just in a corporate Verizon store hear in Decatur,Alabama to get my Icon a new sim to play around with windows 10 being its a spare phone now and the lady said that they were getting the 950/950XL which kinda surprised me.....thought i would never hear that from a person working there but then added if you own a xbox one or a windows 10 PC then a windows phone is what you would perfer for a minute thought she was a microsoft rep. but no she works for Verizon so maybe this will be a true statement
    That doesn't really surprise me. I was talking to a rep here in Hawaii and she said that it makes sense to offer a Windows phone to somebody using Windows. If the person is a Mac user, she said it makes more sense to steer them towards an iPhone. Android can go either way...
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    08-07-2015 09:42 PM
  18. Doctor_Who's Avatar
    HA! HA! HA! Yeah, it seems like my phone is bigger on the inside than on the outside.
    08-08-2015 01:30 PM
  19. gernerttl's Avatar
    This just in. Verizon is dumping subsidized phones and even two year contracts. Something that really isn't' that surprising.

    Verizon will drop phone contracts, end discounted phones
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    08-08-2015 03:28 PM
  20. to_be_announced's Avatar
    you can take this with a grain of salt but was just in a corporate Verizon store hear in Decatur,Alabama to get my Icon a new sim to play around with windows 10 being its a spare phone now and the lady said that they were getting the 950/950XL which kinda surprised me.....thought i would never hear that from a person working there but then added if you own a xbox one or a windows 10 PC then a windows phone is what you would perfer for a minute thought she was a microsoft rep. but no she works for Verizon so maybe this will be a true statement
    This would be FANTASTIC!! We shall see though.
    08-10-2015 12:33 PM
  21. Doctor_Who's Avatar
    you can take this with a grain of salt but was just in a corporate Verizon store hear in Decatur,Alabama to get my Icon a new sim to play around with windows 10 being its a spare phone now and the lady said that they were getting the 950/950XL which kinda surprised me.....thought i would never hear that from a person working there but then added if you own a xbox one or a windows 10 PC then a windows phone is what you would perfer for a minute thought she was a microsoft rep. but no she works for Verizon so maybe this will be a true statement
    Really? Well I hope that Verizon rep wasn't just pulling your leg. We've got a lot of expenses right now, so will just have to stay where I'm at while I pay off other unexpected expenses.
    08-15-2015 09:59 AM
  22. Indistinguishable's Avatar
    Really? Well I hope that Verizon rep wasn't just pulling your leg. We've got a lot of expenses right now, so will just have to stay where I'm at while I pay off other unexpected expenses.
    If history has taught us anything, it's that Verizon Store Reps know absolutely nothing about future Windows Phones.

    My three year old niece probably has a better grasp on Verizon's future Windows Phone offerings than any given Verizon retail employee.

    Mr. Macphisto, Tcman88, and Daniel Rubino are the only people I'd trust in the least to deliver that kind of news.
    08-18-2015 06:20 PM
  23. gernerttl's Avatar
    So you're saying that you think that the 950 will be GSM & CDMA and able to operate on both AT&T and Verizon?
    How is that unprecedented? The Icon works on both AT&T's and Verizon GSM and CDMA networks respectively. Just not on AT&T's LTE network. CDMA and GSM are not mutually exclusive. The simple fact of the matter is that all current SoC have GSM, LTE, CDMA, BT, and WiFi radios built in. All it takes is the chip OEM (Qualcomm in this case) enable the radios and to allow them to work with certain bands, then provide the firmware to the OS manufacturer to support it. It's not a hardware issue at all.
    08-18-2015 07:41 PM
  24. dksf42's Avatar
    tgp, I never used the word "conspiracy". There is an attitude in Verizon corporate against Microsoft. It's that simple, and is not speculative.

    The vast majority of people walk into a phone store and ask for recommendations. I've observed staff direct people to phones that did not meet, at all, the needs as expressed by the client. I've seen people afterwards struggle to make phones work for them while they wait for two years to have the next upgrade.

    When I show people a Windows phone, they are amazed at how easy it is to use. When they see the photos, they are totally impressed. I happen to also have an iPhone 6+ ( needed for job related apps ). The Lumia Icon always wins with photo quality. The integration of features in the Lumia really impresses people, as does the voice quality. After I show the phone, people often ask "Why didn't they show me this one at the store?" Ask the sales person and he will say "I never demo those phones. I don't really know much about them." In fact, a couple told me they had never sold one, and the others had only done so when someone asked for it specifically.

    People are loyal to Windows Phones because they are well built, and have some excellent features. Sales are dependent on retail staff, and if they don't make people aware of a product, they won't consider it. If I ran a Verizon store, and if they reinstated the Icon, plus had demo models of the M8 Windows version, and the new low end, I'd guarantee sales would outpace the other stores because every sales person would be solidly trained to work with clients to find the best solution for their needs, which would include an acquaintance with Windows Phones and iPhones, not just Android.

    It's not conspiracy, but it is attitude.
    All right, open to any and all ... WILL Verizon get "any form" of the latest Cityman and/or Talkman ... NOW that there are "NO contracts"?

    Anyone else?
    08-18-2015 08:01 PM
  25. Doctor_Who's Avatar
    How is that unprecedented? The Icon works on both AT&T's and Verizon GSM and CDMA networks respectively. Just not on AT&T's LTE network. CDMA and GSM are not mutually exclusive. The simple fact of the matter is that all current SoC have GSM, LTE, CDMA, BT, and WiFi radios built in. All it takes is the chip OEM (Qualcomm in this case) enable the radios and to allow them to work with certain bands, then provide the firmware to the OS manufacturer to support it. It's not a hardware issue at all.
    Really? That is interesting.
    08-21-2015 11:09 PM
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