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  1. fatclue_98's Avatar
    And have not you been rewarded with great phones with Wireless Charging before anyone else had it
    Sorry, webOS had wireless charging first.
    03-13-2015 07:50 PM
  2. fatclue_98's Avatar
    So, imagine I have an Android phone. I install, say, Outlook, only to discover it's not so good on Android. Am I....

    a) going to buy a Windows Phone so that I can have a better Outlook experience? - or-
    b) install a better email app?

    Hmm. I think the answer is obvious.
    If you're using Outlook on Android you probably rely on it more than Gmail like I did when I had Android. If this is the case and Outlook is very important, the (A) is the right answer. Even with its limitations, Outlook on Android is the best solution for Exchange or Hotmail.
    03-13-2015 07:55 PM
  3. TechFreak1's Avatar
    Okay, let's put this into prospective.

    This move if true.

    Is a double edge sword, yes it will make MS more money, provide data for analytics & machine learning however on the flipside it is going to negatively impact those who are currently using Windows Phone. As why would should a user stay when if they move they get access to imessage, skype, office, google apps, cortana, official apps, a massive app catalogue and benefit of the ever growing the hardware ecosystem that just works. The same argument also applies to why a user would switch?

    By extension the OEM's who haven't been really pushing windows phone most likely will feel Microsoft doesn't really care about their own phones, so why should they care?

    As they too get access to Microsoft's apps and services via the Google play store even if it may not be bundled with their devices.

    This I feel has evident as with the relaxed hardware requirements to enable them to use their android hardware and the 0 licensing fee for anything under 9", there hasn't been much push in terms of phones. Just the odd device here and there; nothing like what they push in the android arena.

    Now we get to the nitty gritty, reps hardly push windows phone and with this move they can perpetuate:
    "don't buy windows phone as even Microsoft doesn't care as they even put Cortana on competing platforms!"

    " You can get office too and have access to Youtube, which you can't plain do on windows phone" (which of course we all know is a lie).

    "Do you use snapchat? course you do, buy this (enter android model here) or iphone (enter model) stay away from Windows phone..it doesn't have snapchat and you get the benefit of office, cortana.. basically all of Microsoft's services".

    In addition to this, the peer pressure to switch from windows phone with-in their social circle will increase.

    In my opinion the move to put Cortana onto ios & android should ideally come (as Microsoft is a software & services company after all):
    1) After she is globally available on windows - phones, tablets, PC's and xbox [As windows 10 is platform agonistic] (at least in English) without a beta or alpha tag
    2) there is a steady addition of Universal apps including high profile apps coming into the store.
    3) there are windows phone flagships from a variety of OEMs that the consumer can buy.
    03-13-2015 09:10 PM
  4. Vans Stygma's Avatar
    I think all of this is the sweet way from Microsoft to kick out everyone from WP and still use Microsoft ecosystem on other platforms.
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    03-13-2015 09:15 PM
  5. Eustis99's Avatar
    Can't agree enough! Not only that but it isn't even confirmed yet!


    Okay, let's put this into prospective.

    This move if true.

    Is a double edge sword, yes it will make MS more money, provide data for analytics & machine learning however on the flipside it is going to negatively impact those who are currently using Windows Phone. As why would should a user stay when if they move they get access to imessage, skype, office, google apps, cortana, official apps, a massive app catalogue and benefit of the ever growing the hardware ecosystem that just works. The same argument also applies to why a user would switch?

    By extension the OEM's who haven't been really pushing windows phone most likely will feel Microsoft doesn't really care about their own phones, so why should they care?

    As they too get access to Microsoft's apps and services via the Google play store even if it may not be bundled with their devices.

    This I feel has evident as with the relaxed hardware requirements to enable them to use their android hardware and the 0 licensing fee for anything under 9", there hasn't been much push in terms of phones. Just the odd device here and there; nothing like what they push in the android arena.

    Now we get to the nitty gritty, reps hardly push windows phone and with this move they can perpetuate:
    "don't buy windows phone as even Microsoft doesn't care as they even put Cortana on competing platforms!"

    " You can get office too and have access to Youtube, which you can't plain do on windows phone" (which of course we all know is a lie).

    "Do you use snapchat? course you do, buy this (enter android model here) or iphone (enter model) stay away from Windows phone..it doesn't have snapchat and you get the benefit of office, cortana.. basically all of Microsoft's services".

    In addition to this, the peer pressure to switch from windows phone with-in their social circle will increase.

    In my opinion the move to put Cortana onto ios & android should ideally come (as Microsoft is a software & services company after all):
    1) After she is globally available on windows - phones, tablets, PC's and xbox [As windows 10 is platform agonistic] (at least in English) without a beta or alpha tag
    2) there is a steady addition of Universal apps including high profile apps coming into the store.
    3) there are windows phone flagships from a variety of OEMs that the consumer can buy.
    03-13-2015 09:18 PM
  6. Villain's Avatar
    Good move to be a services company but also making it's phone dept irrelevant.

    personally I think MS should offer services like Outlook, Skype, Cortana to other platforms BUT a watered down version. having the top tier premium service on it's own OS.

    edit: I also would like to see MS get it's services fully functioning on it's own platform before jumping to others... example Cortana only releasing in the U.S. first and slowly launching in other territories (Canada still doesn't have Cortana )
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    03-13-2015 09:48 PM
  7. Eustis99's Avatar
    Agreed, I do see their point but Cortana isn't even in a lot of markets yet!

    Good move to be a services company but also making it's phone dept irrelevant.

    personally I think MS should offer services like Outlook, Skype, Cortana to other platforms BUT a watered down version. having the top tier premium service on it's own OS.

    edit: I also would like to see MS get it's services fully functioning on it's own platform before jumping to others... example Cortana only releasing in the U.S. first and slowly launching in other territories (Canada still doesn't have Cortana )
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    03-13-2015 10:00 PM
  8. bsbharath1987's Avatar
    Well, if this turns out to be true, it means Microsoft is going to gain a lot in terms of machine learning. It can also be an advertisement of what Cortana on Windows Phone can do. This is because, even if MS brings Cortana to iOS and Android, there is no way that Cortana will be deep linked to the OS in the same way as it is in WP.
    So, at best, it will be limited to what Google Now can do on iOS, as an example. Even on Android, it is going to compete with Google Now but since Google Services are integrated so deeply into Android, it's difficult to replicate all that functionality with Cortana.
    However, if MS convinces users of those OSes about how good Cortana is with respect to voice recognition or integration with reminders, or with pulling relevant information from emails, it might convince people to take a look at Windows Phone, where Cortana can do much more.
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    03-14-2015 01:38 AM
  9. Lumiaphone525's Avatar
    Cortana is powered by Bing. By introducing to others platform, MS can get their search engines become more functioning. But they must make sure all the current windows phone user got all the Cortana features, and not at some others countries.
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    03-14-2015 03:38 AM
  10. Muessig's Avatar
    I think a lot of people in this thread just don't like change, which is hardly anything new.

    Microsoft has changed from a software company to a devices and services company. In order for them to be profitable as a business they need to offer their services to all devices on all platforms. This does not equal neglect or an indication that they have given up on their phone platform. Microsoft have gone on record several times saying that they are in the phone game for the long haul.

    I think you have to look at the bigger picture here. Microsoft are creating a series of platforms where the user can have one experience no matter whether they are using a pc, phone or tablet. Everything will be synced up and you can leave one device and pick up where you left off on another. You will be able to do this in a more limited way using their apps for other platforms, but in order to get their full flavoured experience you will have to get their own devices.
    As far as sales reps pushing other platforms this is likely regional. Where I live WP has around 10% market share and it's consistently being advertised as viable alternative to other platforms, sales reps here are getting more knowledge about WP and I've seen several recommending it over other platforms.

    You can throw your temper tantrums now if you want to, and claim undying love for anything but Microsoft because you don't personally like the idea of other platforms having the same toys you do sure, but this isn't the place to do that, it's not a realistic world view and especially not for this thread.
    03-14-2015 03:57 AM
  11. msirapian's Avatar
    The real issue is the average psychology of WP-fans. I mean it sounds like some people think their OS is inferior and have to compensate by "showing off" HERE, MixRadio, etc.

    I haven't come to WP for the exclusivities, but for the experience. And I can compare : my daily driver is a 1020, and I have an iPhone 5S from work. On which I've installed Office, OneNote, etc.

    Yes, the iOS apps have such a better design, but the W10TP previews we had in January show that we'll get the same, or better, on W10. Better: we won't have freemium features, unlike Android/iOS.

    Now Cortana is coming to my iPhone. And so what? What will she do? The idea of Microsoft is that Cortana syncs across devices, which is not the case today (I can see that between my 535 and 1020). So the next logical step, is that I want my cortana reminders also on my office phone, is it an iphone, android or WP.

    But Cortana, there, will be a standalone app. I'm pretty sure Apple and google will prevent MS from getting a deep integration as we already have on WP.

    So what will happen? What ALREADY happens? If some WP fans were not so blinded that they whine all the time, that we're abandonned, that iOS/Android have the outlook app and we have nothing, well, if they were a bit less blinded, they would see:
    a) we're getting the same on W10
    b) go and read the oulook app comments on the apple store. Great app, so much better than the native one. But I'd like to have a better integration. In other words, "MS, bring your goodness across the user experience, the whole device, not only when I'm in that specific app". I've read this type of comments many times. What does it mean? Frustration, and maybe future customer being hooked.

    Microsoft have nothing meaty to offer to iPhone/Android users today; they think the real competitor will be W10. So in the meanwhile, like drug dealers, they're spreading their apps to bait future switchers. And when people like the MS services, etc., and want a more consistent experience, they'll look at WP (W10 for phones that is).

    Of course, it's a very dangerous strategy. These baits, they are Office, OneNote, Cortana, OneDrive. There's the risk of becoming the new blackberry. But desperate times require desperate strategy.

    And if people are immature enough to choose an OS because of the exclusive apps, just to show off, without even focusing on the global experience (what Nadella calls "Where the MS experience is the best, the place you'll love to be at to enjoy our services"), they need to understand that their teenager-way of thinking is not business-compatible.

    My 2 cts.
    03-14-2015 05:30 AM
  12. Sonu K's Avatar
    Hello everyone,

    So the news of CORTANA coming to rival platform is practically confirmed and there is just so much outcry that not many of you are even considering to look at it from the other side. This is MY point of view:

    In the recent months Microsoft has pushed for their services to be available on other platforms (Office, better Outlook app, Xbox Music and OneDrive) and this is according to their new strategy that moves from software to focus more on hardware and services (and we knew about that for months now). However a thing to note is the fact that these apps are not always so great in the way of design and they do not feel as natural as on Windows (both on phones and PC) and therefore if you really want the greatest experience, look no further but back to Microsoft! Yes maybe Office apps are little better right now on rival platforms, but the universal Office that is coming with W10 will make them look bleak. Going back to CORTANA, here the story WILL again be the same, although available on other platforms, it will not be as good as at "home". Microsoft clearly is doing a great doing, by opening their services to others because this creates something that have never existed for this company, which is the physical ability to "demo" what they have to offer for free to everyone, no matter the ecosystem. I do not understand the silly anger without any after thoughts, Windows phones are selling better than ever since all above has happened and Microsoft is literally flooding us with innovation... Surface, Windows 10, Hololens, Xbox ONE. I know better after being under this ecosystem for years that whatever Microsoft is doing these days means great things to come, as long as you trust them as they trust you, senseless ranting is not needed.

    Otherwise go ahead, chuck you WP and get your Android or iPhone and join parade of crying clowns there or maybe you fought their world is perfect ? ;)
    mmmhhmm.. I'm not saying i will leave WP anytime soon. But let's just imagine two different scenarios.

    Scenario 1:

    Since Windows almost rules the PC/laptop world, we are sure after the release of W10, many people will have Cortana in their PC. Let's also imagine the consumers get addicted to the awesome features of it. That's when they think, hey what if this was also in my phone?! May be i should throw away my iPhone/Android device and should get a Windows Phone. And they buy a Windows Phone. Microsoft is clearly the winner here. Added bonus of Windows Phone's increasing market share. Because of that obviously more developers will start to take the platform seriously and they will create original apps for WP.

    Scenario 2:

    Since Windows almost rules the PC/laptop world, we are sure after the release of W10, many people will have Cortana in their PC. And the consumer loves the Cortana. Now he want it in his phone too. Thanks to Microsoft's intelligent idea, now it's available in iOS and Android too. So he will be happy with his current OS platform and will never think about Windows phones. And most probably iOS/Android versions of Cortana will be far better than WP version (Isn't that a tradition here?).

    Now you guys tell me which Scenario will give Microsoft more money and profit. This is simple logic, unless 'data' about a person is going to be a currency in the future. May be that's why tech companies comes up with new apps which tracks your habbits and daily activities every day. May be that's what even MS's aim too. Race to be the Skynet in real life.
    03-14-2015 08:28 AM
  13. jlzimmerman's Avatar
    @OP I hope you're right, I really do. And at this point is doesn't matter what we think, it seems MS has made up their mind.

    I for one am not happy about sharing Cortana. There are two reasons for this. Have any other MS services on iAndroid help get people off those platforms onto a WP? I'm sure there are a few but I doubt there is enough of those people to even trigger a blip in that statistic if it were traceable. Second, and I saw a tweet on this to Microsoft and Nadella.....How are you supposed to feed and nourish your kids if you're too busy feeding all the neighbors kids?

    With that said, everthing I hold sacred going to iAndroid will not cause me to jump the WP ship. I don't understand why people said "oh eff this, I'm going to Android now, no reason to stay." I never understood that. I will remain on WP because collectively it is still the best ecosystem and UI regardless if iAndroid has those features or not.
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    03-14-2015 10:32 AM
  14. colinkiama's Avatar
    Hello everyone,

    So the news of CORTANA coming to rival platform is practically confirmed and there is just so much outcry that not many of you are even considering to look at it from the other side. This is MY point of view:

    In the recent months Microsoft has pushed for their services to be available on other platforms (Office, better Outlook app, Xbox Music and OneDrive) and this is according to their new strategy that moves from software to focus more on hardware and services (and we knew about that for months now). However a thing to note is the fact that these apps are not always so great in the way of design and they do not feel as natural as on Windows (both on phones and PC) and therefore if you really want the greatest experience, look no further but back to Microsoft! Yes maybe Office apps are little better right now on rival platforms, but the universal Office that is coming with W10 will make them look bleak. Going back to CORTANA, here the story WILL again be the same, although available on other platforms, it will not be as good as at "home". Microsoft clearly is doing a great doing, by opening their services to others because this creates something that have never existed for this company, which is the physical ability to "demo" what they have to offer for free to everyone, no matter the ecosystem. I do not understand the silly anger without any after thoughts, Windows phones are selling better than ever since all above has happened and Microsoft is literally flooding us with innovation... Surface, Windows 10, Hololens, Xbox ONE. I know better after being under this ecosystem for years that whatever Microsoft is doing these days means great things to come, as long as you trust them as they trust you, senseless ranting is not needed.

    Otherwise go ahead, chuck you WP and get your Android or iPhone and join parade of crying clowns there or maybe you fought their world is perfect ? ;)
    If the apps on android and IOS are better than WP, what's the point of owning a WP. I can handwrite my notes on android and IOS but not on WP. I can see my notes when I pin them in android but I only see the title of the notes in WP. If things don't change with windows 10 I'm sure windows phone, people will leave. Why stay with the inferior platform?
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    03-14-2015 11:16 AM
  15. heickelrrx's Avatar
    If the apps on android and IOS are better than WP, what's the point of owning a WP. I can handwrite my notes on android and IOS but not on WP. I can see my notes when I pin them in android but I only see the title of the notes in WP. If things don't change with windows 10 I'm sure windows phone, people will leave. Why stay with the inferior platform?
    Simple.

    It's long term strategy. Ms realize that fighting head on at these marker would be very hard. Rather than spending resource and money on low percentage of succeeding. They play long game. Today people way too stick with google service by gradually convert people to ms service it would be more easy to make them buy windows based devices than android devices.
    03-14-2015 11:32 AM
  16. dgr_874's Avatar
    Microsoft sharing everything like mixradio, Cortana, HERE maps, outlook, etc... Now I started hating Microsoft
    Try and think of it this way, If you love Microsoft services (like I do), then you have the freedom to chose any hardware you want and get the same great functions. If you like something on iOS, they use an iPhone. All your Microsoft services will be available to you. If you like a feature that only an Android phone has, then you are free to use it without interrupting your services.

    I know it seems like we are being left out in the cold by this move. But, it is honestly for the best for the company and it will give you more freedom.

    EDIT

    Further thoughts,

    I also think this is a smart move because the Windows Phone exclusives (live tiles, Cortana) are just not making people switch like Microsoft hoped. Look at the market share, its not great. Those people who are entrenched in the Apple and Android ecosystems are not likely to switch just for Cortana or live tiles or they would have already. So, as a business, would you rather have those people use your software for free and at least get some data mining out of it, or not have them use anything at all? As we can see, I think Microsoft chose the former and I think that's a smart long term game plan. It gives them valuable information on how people use their phones on Apple and Android.

    I think Microsoft's focus on those people who are choosing their first smartphone all around the world is the smart long term plan. iphones are usually too expensive, and Android isn't so great on low end devices (but getting better quickly!). Low end windows phones are right where they need to be in order to capture the next billion smartphone users in the developing world. That will entrench those people into the Microsoft ecosystem just as Apple and Google did for their users years ago. That entrenchment will eventually pay off as the large base of users will attract all sorts of developers to push the platform where I needs to go.

    Part of me is really disappointed too in this move though. I have both my iPhone 6 plus and my Lumia 1520 on my desk right now. My sim card will probably make it into the iPhone by the end of the weekend. I will sorely miss the live tiles and Cortana. But, when I pick up my iPhone, not much will have actually changed. I still use the MSN apps. I still use Xbox music. I still use the outlook app. And most importantly, I still pay Microsoft for all those services. I don't spend a dime on Google or Apple services (lol, icloud, oh lawd what a turd compared to OneDrive!). I figure that allows them to make the software even better, no matter where I use it. That is what is most important to me.

    I know it sounds repetitive at this point, but we really do need to wait for Windows 10 to tie it all together. Give Microsoft the chance to make their vision happen.
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    03-14-2015 01:11 PM
  17. hidayat225's Avatar
    I know it might matter very little. But I don't see the trend changing anytime soon. People has embraced Google Services especially for the average Joe. In my school, even though we have office installed on our laptops. People insist on using Google Docs for collaboration. YouTubes is unavoidable and hotmails/outlook personal emails has been getting lesser and more 'old-school' lately.

    I bet most of us have at least a GMail account for YouTube. Microsoft need to fix this ASAP. If services is what they intend to be considered an ELITE contender. They need to try harder.

    Not just for businesses. But for everybody.
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    03-14-2015 01:36 PM
  18. Angry_Mushroom's Avatar
    Cortana coming to Android? That's freaking great in my view. It doesn't matter which mobile OS I move to in the future. I will have a full suite of MS services at my disposal.
    03-14-2015 02:15 PM
  19. akthelonelyman's Avatar
    Well when I buy my next phone which will mostly be a high end android or iPhone I won't have to worry about giving up Microsoft services...
    03-14-2015 02:32 PM
  20. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    "I know better after being under this ecosystem for years that whatever Microsoft is doing these days means great things to come, as long as you trust them as they trust you, senseless ranting is not needed."

    Seems like a very narrow-minded view of things. How has not releasing a flagship since taking over the hardware division, meaning I've got to keep my 920 maybe a year longer than I wanted, a good thing? How is Office on competing platforms good for WP users? How is running firmware through carrier update channels helping us? Microsoft's not an always-right, benevolent force, and plenty of their actions have been to the detriment of customers.
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    03-14-2015 03:00 PM
  21. UgnSam07's Avatar
    Of late I've been bragging about my new Lumia 1520 and I've convinced my friends to get a Windows phone too, which some are considering looking at the "swag" I pull with my device. One feature I really like is the hey Cortana. My friends seem so amazed and are craving for the phone now because you can simply do what you want without even listing a single button. Now all the rumors in the tech forums are that Cortana is heading to IOS and Android. I went nuts because that is primarily the reason some people are just going to get a new windows phone or get introduced to accept the windows fever. If Microsoft is truly getting this in the other platforms as well I think I really wasted my time and energy to convince my guys to get a WP. Also this is the chance to kill the competition and get on top of the hardware and software table. We all are waiting for the new windows 10 on our devices and a new flagship product so why let go one of your best features to the other competitors? I'm not a good business guy but I think this move isn't right at all so anyone there who can convince them not to go this line will do the company a whole lotta of good so we not start another campaign to "beg" others to get onboard the Windows train. Daniel Rubino, Mark Guim, Richard Devine and the others and all the other Microsoft guys here please, just listen to this one too please and my long lost friend Sam Sabri.
    03-14-2015 04:06 PM
  22. Dratwister's Avatar
    So, basically everyone say that this is a great strategy in long term.
    Long term means in this current term, it doesn't happen yet.
    There is not a single reason to adopt WP anymore in current term. And you hope that Microsoft would do some "magic" (again, another hope for "magic") to turn table by using other information from other platforms to help their own platform. Do you realize that the "hope" is another "magic"? How do you know that Microsoft will use those information to help WP platform?

    So, to put it into perspective:
    -First WP have live tiles. Good grief, it's still here. The "glance information". But must remember, other platforms also have "glance information" and it's called "notification center". Without unlocking the phone to look at the screen. Does WP have that? Nope, you can only get 1 single latest notification of a single predefined app to display on lockscreen. Want more? You can get merely just number, or else you have to slide down to access notification center. What other platforms have? Right on the lockscreen! Everything as many as you want.
    -Second we proud that WP have Office app, great deal!! Now what? Worst user experience and feature than other platforms. And the future? Still in future, nothing to be confirmed.
    -Third, because of Nokia, we can have a wonderful and unique, free offline map navigation. Now also because of Nokia, again, we can see other platforms use the same thing. Don't forget they also said that the development for WP will be ceased down compare to other platforms. But it's not Microsoft's fault in the end. Just bad for WP.
    -Forth we greatly welcomed Cortana to our world. Now what? Cortana still in Beta with only a few language. And it's rumor that Microsoft will bring it to other platforms too. Good for Microsoft, but anyone who say it's good for WP in this time is absolutely insane or hardcore Microsoft fan.

    Now just give me one single reason why should new users or current users stay with WP beside the fanboyism royalty?
    -WP don't have apps. Even when you don't play game or in need of apps on phone. But the truth is the truth.
    -WP don't have any unique feature except the UI. And that is the thing many people stay away from WP in the meaning time.
    -The fluid user experience? Sorry but recent Android can almost do the same thing, and they'll get better. Don't mention iOS.
    -The exclusive apps? What exclusive app anymore? Old exclusive apps are already on other platforms, and it's way much more better.

    Oh, I forgot about the camera! Wait, most normal users won't see the difference. Manual control? Nerd! Auto camera? Trash compare to other platforms.
    And who know in the future, Microsoft will release the Lumia camera to other platforms too, since you guys agreed with it previously.

    The camera has the same situation with "more integrated experience will make users switch". I'm sorry, but normal users, which is most of userbase, don't care or have a single knowledge about this. They just care if the app cannot do it? They switch to other apps. They might think: "Oh, so this app lacks of this feature, and it's main app of WP, then WP must surely suck too! I have to stay away from that trash. Time to update and use iOS/Android apps again.". Their apps store is HUGE in the end.
    And if you think Apple or Google just sit down to watch Microsoft do all the great integrated experience and lure users to their platform, then you're too high.

    Seriously, If this rumor was true. Then it'd be the last straw of many WP users. They will leave this platform for sure and make the current tiny marketshare of WP become a lot more tinier. Even at this rate, developers are ignoring the platform, then why should they care with tinier number? Windows 10 "magic"? Sorry, but till the time it happens, WP is already dead with tiny userbase.
    Microsoft have been acting as if they slap users time to time. Next slap is harder than previous one while they promise candies for next time.

    P.S: I'll still use my 1520, but not because of any unique feature (heck, is there anything anymore?). Since it's still working fine and I don't have any special need for phone. I'll also wait for W10 devices and the "magic" if it happen WITHIN THIS YEAR. Otherwise? no more, tired of waiting and being slapped in the face.
    Last edited by Dratwister; 03-14-2015 at 06:19 PM.
    03-14-2015 06:05 PM
  23. oviedofreak82's Avatar
    Everyone seems to be missing the big picture here: Cortana does not have full operating system integration like it does on Windows Phone. Will Cortana be able to turn wifi on & off? Will she be able to send text messages, send emails, add appointments to the calendar as in Windows Phone? At best, she'll be an internet search assistant that can talk have a personality. If Microsoft does it right, make a great app for iOS & Android along with great apps, the next time people want to upgrade, they'll consider Windows Phone, especially when Windows 10 comes out. People complain about better Microsoft apps on Android & iOS, but really those OS are beta test beds for when they release a revamped OS update on Windows. People are failing to see the big picture and moving away.
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    03-14-2015 09:07 PM
  24. Eustis99's Avatar
    First person to see it as I do!


    Everyone seems to be missing the big picture here: Cortana does not have full operating system integration like it does on Windows Phone. Will Cortana be able to turn wifi on & off? Will she be able to send text messages, send emails, add appointments to the calendar as in Windows Phone? At best, she'll be an internet search assistant that can talk have a personality. If Microsoft does it right, make a great app for iOS & Android along with great apps, the next time people want to upgrade, they'll consider Windows Phone, especially when Windows 10 comes out. People complain about better Microsoft apps on Android & iOS, but really those OS are beta test beds for when they release a revamped OS update on Windows. People are failing to see the big picture and moving away.
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    03-14-2015 09:44 PM
  25. revanthpallagani's Avatar
    Very good points Dratwister.
    Future or Long term or Wider picture, whatever their strategy is, none of it matters when there is no core user base. What Microsoft is doing now is not really making that user base happy. I absolutely loved WP when I got my first Lumia back in 2013. But I would not say that now.
    It was a 720 and there was a reason I liked it, it was far from perfect but it could do things which no other ecosystem did at that point. Offline maps, MixRadio, Fluid OS and a fantastic camera all compensated the app gap and any other downside. A couple of years later I (we) am (are) left with a stripped down Music application, soul less Photos 'hub', broken MixRadio, horrible cursor control (I loved the cursor control in WP8, the best, period), inferior maps with respect to places of interest and don't even get me started about 'Unmatched Skype Experience' which Microsoft advertise in their commercials in my country.

    If Microsoft has any ambition about the OS, they should concentrate on the existing features and make them better rather than concentrate on their services across platforms. This obviously is a business strategy, but if you are concentrating on other platforms leaving your own behind what does that say about the vision regarding WP or Windows 10 on phones.

    Marketing has been the weakest point of WP/Lumia and it is shocking that they have ignored such a blatant issue. If they wanted to gain market share they should have concentrated on marketing. But I am afraid that ship has already sailed.

    Bottom line, any person buys a device based on what it offers over other platforms. My emphasis is on 'over other platforms'. When the exclusivity is gone, so is the market share.
    Sonu K, WesleyBPeres and steve_w_7 like this.
    03-14-2015 09:47 PM
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