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  1. stanip's Avatar
    Just in case you haven't noticed, the beta drivers are available for download from the Celio site... :)
    11-19-2008 07:32 AM
  2. wagadesa#WN's Avatar
    I was elated to find the updated drivers on yesteday.
    I was unable to use my Redfly since switching from the Treo800w to the Sprint HTC Pro.

    The only problem I've experienced thus far is inability to maintain a bluetooth connection betweenthe Redfly and the HTC Touch Pro. Did not have that problem with the Treo800. But cable is fine for now - just glad to be able to use the Redfly again.
    11-19-2008 10:23 AM
  3. wodin's Avatar
    OK, The Sprint Pro is back on the shelves, the 'FLY β driver is available. It's decision time!

    Do I want the smaller lighter Diamond or do I want the fatter heavier Pro with a keyboard and removable memory card? Ive had both a Mogul and a Touch, and I like the Touch better, mostly because of size, but also the adequate amount of RAM. I guess that is an indication of what is more important to me.

    Ahhh! I guess I can procrastinate a little longer by asking you guys how well the Diamond/Pro β driver works. Is it as good as the Touch WM 6.1 β?

    What about TouchFlo 3D? Do I need to disable that? Or does the driver do that when I plug it into the 'FLY? If it doesn't, it would seem to me that it should!
    11-19-2008 11:33 AM
  4. laurieny's Avatar
    The driver turns off TouchFLO when it loads. This beta driver works pretty well given the caveats I posted on the beta page on our website. I will have a new build with a few performance tweaks up in less than a week. Then, we will attempt to share a new build every other week or so til it is where we want it. Ultimately we want to support TouchFLO turned on, but I don't have an ETA on that currently.

    I did hope that posting the beta drivers would make some of you happy. But I know the way it works, everyone always wants more. ;-)

    The cool thing is we want to give you all more and if you can stick with us (ie trust us) hopefully we will make it worth your while. :D

    -Laurie

    Director of Engineering
    Celio Corp | REDFLY
    11-19-2008 12:12 PM
  5. sran's Avatar
    I was able to download the beta driver. I had to temporarily change the security settings in IE to get the download to work properly.
    Many things are working nicely with the Touch Pro.
    As mentioned in #4 "known issues", I get no dial pad or screen info on incoming calls.
    Last edited by snovvman; 11-18-2008 at 11:03 AM.
    11-19-2008 12:59 PM
  6. mskovrinskie's Avatar
    I've had some major problems with the new driver on my ATT Fuze. I will post here (someone from Celio let me know if I should relay feedback through a different channel).

    - after install and reboot, I got lots of red popup 'toasts' about DLLs not loading because they were not signed. It appears that the installer lowered my trust level very low and almost nothing would run without a prompt until I ran a CAB I have to disable security on CABs and DLLs (no prompt).
    - After disconnecting from a Redfly session, TF3D does not alwaysturn back on, and it appears that my menus, email, and today screen are stuck in a different DPI mode. They are too small to use on the device now. Unless someone knows of a way to fix this, I smell a hard reset coming. I can turn on TF3d, but email and menues still require reading glasses on the phone.
    - while on a phone call (using BT headset) and using email, clicking the mouse in the body of a new email kept changing me to the Phone app

    UPDATE: Removing the Redfly software did not fix the odd DPI issue with Todday, Inbox mail list, and context menus.
    Last edited by mskovrinskie; 11-19-2008 at 02:57 PM.
    11-19-2008 02:44 PM
  7. wodin's Avatar
    The driver turns off TouchFLO when it loads. This beta driver works pretty well given the caveats I posted on the beta page on our website. I will have a new build with a few performance tweaks up in less than a week. Then, we will attempt to share a new build every other week or so til it is where we want it. Ultimately we want to support TouchFLO turned on, but I don't have an ETA on that currently.

    I did hope that posting the beta drivers would make some of you happy. But I know the way it works, everyone always wants more. ;-)

    The cool thing is we want to give you all more and if you can stick with us (ie trust us) hopefully we will make it worth your while. :D

    -Laurie

    Director of Engineering
    Celio Corp | REDFLY
    I'm happy, thanks Laurie! :)

    I just need to decide which VGA touch to buy. :rolleyes:
    11-19-2008 04:40 PM
  8. phildro's Avatar
    It is good to have the Redfly back again as others have mentioned. I have experienced some similar issues with my Sprint Touch Pro, but wanted to raise a few others.

    The font issues are strange, but have been reported previously- if my phone is untethered, then it is a very very small DPI font- barely readable. But when it IS connected, the Redfly displays a giant font and menu bars. Someone referred to it as the Fischer Price look...that takes away a lot of screen real estate, unfortunately. I tried switching themes to no avail- wondering if there is a good tweak utility to adjust the display?

    I only have my 700W to compare, but the display/menu refresh seems slower, even though the Touch Pro is orders of magnitude more powerful. I also feel like the fonts are not very smooth, perhaps since everything is so big? I checked the "Enable Cleartype Support" but that didn't appear to do anything.

    Another question I had is the display of motion video? I have read the disclaimers about how different phones will be more supportable than others...considering that HTC makes a special dongle for video out, is that something that we'll eventually need to buy? Is the Touch Pro / Redfly going to be a good candidate to show off the video streaming capabilities?

    Please take all the questions in stride, and know that I am really excited about the idea of leaving my laptop at home most of the time. User forums tend to focus on mostly negative/constructive feedback, but I want you to know that this has the potential to be revolutionary for me.

    Full steam ahead! (and please look at my questions above!)
    11-19-2008 05:58 PM
  9. bioart#WP's Avatar
    Hi all,

    I've been playing with my sprint touch pro and redfly drivers for a bit... here are my findings so far:

    -BT connection is hard to maintain (but very cool when it works)
    -When BT connection dies, touch flo doesn't come back. Haven't tried to get it back yet... I've been rebooting.
    -Fonts are huge, but fonts on the touch pro are tiny. This is painful when touch flo 3d doesn't start
    -It is very slow, but I know that will change

    Overall, I'm happy I can show the proof of concept, and I'm looking forward to seeing the improvements. I have also installed the live mesh client, so I'm looking forward to having documents edited on the redfly shared between my work mac, linux desktop and laptops... That's a dream :)
    11-19-2008 07:34 PM
  10. laurieny's Avatar
    Sorry if I came across a bit defensive in my previous post - it's my/our job to make you guys happy--not look for strokes. :o

    @mskovrinskie:

    What you are describing is not normal and we need to investigate what you are seeing with your Fuze. The only thing we do of a "security" nature is to install our cert and there should be nothing we do directly that would cause apps to behave the way you describe. However, we did have one customer on a completely different phone and build have a somewhat similar issue a while ago.

    What we discovered ultimately is that there was another root cause to the signing errors he was getting from apps installed on his phone, but he never saw this behavior until he installed the REDFLY driver. Fundamentally we do a soft reset of the phone to load our video driver and the user in question had never done that before. So when the phone came back up after our install he got many errors as the apps reloaded and checked their own security settings. They were already "bad" before we came along but that was "hidden" until the phone was reset - so it seemed like our install had caused the problem.

    We have a diagnostic app that can go through these settings, enumerate them to an output file so we can review what is going one, as well as put them "back" to what they should be if you haven't already fixed them. But I would like to speak with you about whether what I described is possibly your scenario (how much do you tweak your phone and do you ever reset it?) and what we can do about trying to duplicate your environment to figure this out in the event that our install somehow caused this (as unlikely as I think that is). Please email me directly if you are willing to help us look into this a little deeper.

    -Laurie
    Director of Engineering
    Celio Corp | REDFLY

    Laurie@celiocorp.com
    11-19-2008 11:15 PM
  11. mskovrinskie's Avatar
    I've had some major problems with the new driver on my ATT Fuze. I will post here (someone from Celio let me know if I should relay feedback through a different channel).

    - after install and reboot, I got lots of red popup 'toasts' about DLLs not loading because they were not signed. It appears that the installer lowered my trust level very low and almost nothing would run without a prompt until I ran a CAB I have to disable security on CABs and DLLs (no prompt).
    - After disconnecting from a Redfly session, TF3D does not alwaysturn back on, and it appears that my menus, email, and today screen are stuck in a different DPI mode. They are too small to use on the device now. Unless someone knows of a way to fix this, I smell a hard reset coming. I can turn on TF3d, but email and menues still require reading glasses on the phone.
    - while on a phone call (using BT headset) and using email, clicking the mouse in the body of a new email kept changing me to the Phone app

    UPDATE: Removing the Redfly software did not fix the odd DPI issue with Todday, Inbox mail list, and context menus.

    2nd UPDATE: I realized that the odd DPI issue (in other words, small text in email, menus) was due to adjusted text size in Start | Settings | System | Screen | Text Size. It looks like the Redfly Installer adjusted this to Smallest. The default on the Fuze is one notch to the left of Largest.

    Request: Celio developers, please make sure that this is adjusted as you made it to Smallest when the Redfly is connected and that it reverts to the previous setting when disconnected.
    11-20-2008 05:19 AM
  12. stanip's Avatar
    I also have the font issues, the phone pad no show, and the BT connection problems mentioned in earlier posts.

    Another thing I observed is my phone's performance. It seems to have slowed down a bit even on its own.

    Really like the cleartype support now available under the advanced setting tap.
    11-20-2008 07:33 AM
  13. itsy's Avatar
    Also getting the small menu font but it doesn't bother me much

    The Redfly will randomly disconnect from blue tooth with an "Invalid Sequence" error message on my Sprint branded Touch Pro
    11-20-2008 10:01 AM
  14. drjohn61's Avatar
    Things look pretty good on my end. Aside from the known, I noticed that TouchFlow (TF) did not come back on after disconnecting from BT (works when disconnecting USB). One question: It seems that when the Fly turns off TF at connect, it turns on certain Today features (date, mail, etc.) that are disabled when TF is on. These are then turned off when TF is re-enabled (I think TF does that by itself?). Is it possible to modify the list of features to automatically turn others on? Currently, others can be enabled after connection, but this has to be done every time.

    Thanks and keep up the great work!
    11-20-2008 02:28 PM
  15. graham.hughes's Avatar
    Hmmmm... a bit of a waste of time. It makes the Today screen fonts smaller (but not the title bar or menu bar fonts), but since the icons don't get smaller, you don't get any more information on the screen.

    Nothing works better than before.

    My menu fonts are now the wrong weight (they don't match the menu bar). I've set them back by hand. (Registry: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\system\gwe\menu\popfnt... set Wt to 800).

    Resco File Explorer has become very confused about column widths... this is the main problem. I've had to re-install Resco to fix this.

    I can't use this if it messes up file explorer. I need to switch back to the old drivers, but they don't seem to be available.
    11-21-2008 09:40 AM
  16. cuzlion's Avatar
    I am assuming the Alltel Touch Pro will work with the Sprint beta the same as the Sprint version based on the fact the keyboard layout is the same. The Verizon version has a different keyboard with five rows of ten keys while the pictures I've seen of Sprint and Alltel appear to have the same 5 rows of 12 keys.

    I don't like TouchFlo and don't plan to use it at all if I upgrade prefering to use SPB Pocket Plus as my Today Screen launcher add in since it adds some other nice features to WM 6.1. If I leave Touch Flo off at all times will I likely escape the font change issues that others are experiencing that happen when the Redfly driver turns TF off and then back on again or are they still going to be an issue?

    The Redfly works perfectly with my Alltel 6800 and I'm just a little iffy about upgrading to something that hurts my Redfly experience. But the 64 meg limit on the 6800 limits me to using Opera Mini when browsing so the Touch Pro with tons of memory is tempting to let me use PIE, Opera or Netfront. Cuz
    11-21-2008 09:45 AM
  17. graham.hughes's Avatar
    Ahhh... I had the old driver... all is well again! I can't downgrade the firmware, but it seems OK.
    11-21-2008 11:14 AM
  18. cuzlion's Avatar
    I was just toying with the Touch Pro, didn't really want to spend a fortune with a year left on my 6800 contract to buy it out but since our company uses a lot of phones Alltel decided to throw me a bone and they are sending me a TouchPro as a free upgrade to the PPC 6800. That's good customer service for sure so I am glad there is progress going on with the driver for the Redfly. The TouchPro looks sweet but only if it will work well with the Redfly.
    11-21-2008 02:00 PM
  19. drjohn61's Avatar
    This may be a known issue, but I have found that when I am connected to WiFi I can only connect to the internet through Opera once (if I am lucky) and then no more--this is ON THE PHONE W/O REDFLY (it is a known problem when connected to the RedFly--I know). A soft reset may let me connect once B4 a new reset. PIE works fine. If I remove the driver, the phone connects fine through Opera.
    11-24-2008 09:50 AM
  20. drjohn61's Avatar
    OK, my bad. :o This is not just a problem with WiFi. I have the problem all around. The driver does not play nice with Opera; whether connected to the redfly or not. This is regardless of WiFi or radio connection.
    11-24-2008 12:14 PM
  21. heavyharmonies's Avatar
    Well, after a few more hours of using the Redfly and Touch Pro, it's definitely usable via USB cable, but currently not usable at all via BlueTooth. In addition to the continuous stream of "Invalid Sequence" errors, the combination of Bluetooth and S2U2 is just not workable.

    If you connect the Touch Pro to the Redfly (or a computer) via USB, S2U2 is disabled automatically (which is what you want), but when you connect via Bluetooth, S2U2 is still active, so you end up with the Redfly screen seemingly locking up, when in fact S2U2 is kicking in (in fact you can see "S2U2" in the upper left corner). S2U2 is waiting for you to swipe the screen on the Touch, but since the touchscreen is turned off when connected to the Redfly, you cannot get past the swipe screen; you have to kill the Bluetooth connection with the Redfly... lather, rinse, repeat.

    In the same way that the Redfly driver knows how to disable Touchflo3D when connecting, and then re-enabling upon exit, it needs to do the same with S2U2.
    11-25-2008 08:34 AM
  22. phildro's Avatar
    I have been checking the driver site like a psycho for any updates for the Touch Pro. Today I notice that the filename has incremented to RFP6_01040062.CAB...

    ????????????????

    Anybody know if this is new? I'm gonna try here in a few...

    EDIT: I guess if I was *that* much of a psycho, I would have noticed that the ...62 version came out a week ago. LOL! Well, I do notice some differences that TouchFlo somewhat works even when the Fly is plugged in.

    Maybe the bluetooth connectivity is better...time will tell.
    Last edited by phildro; 11-25-2008 at 10:55 AM.
    11-25-2008 09:59 AM
  23. bioart#WP's Avatar
    Hi,

    Are we getting new drivers today? :)

    Anyways, I've started to run into a major issue... if the connection is disconnected in such a way that touchflo3d doesn't come back up, the phone appears ok. The problem is that when I get incomming calls, I can't answer them on the phone. I press the button, but it won't recognize them.

    I also have noticed a few more lockups...

    has anyone seen these issues with the beta drivers?
    11-25-2008 11:19 AM
  24. heavyharmonies's Avatar
    I think I found a solution, in that the S2U2 registry settings allow you to set exceptions, in other words do NOT lock the Touch Pro if a particular .exe is running.

    I believe, if I set the following it should work, but of course I cannot test it. I'm at the point where I am getting Bluetooth disconnects within seconds of the connection with the Redfly, every single [CENSORED] time.

    (Sorry, this Bluetooth issue is frustrating the heck out of me).

    \HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\A_C\S2U2

    ExceptionEXE4=RFP6_01040061.exe
    11-25-2008 11:32 AM
  25. drjohn61's Avatar
    Hi,

    Are we getting new drivers today? :)

    Anyways, I've started to run into a major issue... if the connection is disconnected in such a way that touchflo3d doesn't come back up, the phone appears ok. The problem is that when I get incomming calls, I can't answer them on the phone. I press the button, but it won't recognize them.

    I also have noticed a few more lockups...

    has anyone seen these issues with the beta drivers?
    Yes, there are new drivers available. I have not noticed issues with incoming calls--just with Opera Mobile (with or without RedFly). I have had trouble with the phone completely locking up at night (while charging)--to the point of having to remove the battery to get the phone back up (that was with the old driver, don't know about the new one yet).

    I can't say that I am enamored with the TouchFlo on the RedFly (at least not yet); I preferred the Fly turning off TouchFlo; it would be nice if this were a user option in the driver (with the option of what Today screen plugins were turned on by the Fly).
    11-25-2008 12:31 PM
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