[gab1972]

No one denies that iOS or Android have more apps. But to whine about it when you CAN find just about any app you need, is just to whine to hear yourself whine. BTW - a million years ago, there were no apps. On any platform. Windows Phone Store has grown at the same rate as the others. And for a while it even far outpaced the Android store's growth rate at the same age.

I mostly agree with this...but not completely. Sure you can get a lot of alternatives to some popular apps like Instagram, Vine, etc. But what about very useful apps from companies who have stated they will not develop for WP. Simple bank. They have stated outright that they will NOT develop for WP. I use Simple for my banking. I loved using their app on Android and iPhone (yes, I owned both). BB&T (my normal bank). Again, not developing for WP. Some of the more popular games (Bike Race, Zombieville USA, etc) are not developing for WP and have no plans to. So there are some very useful apps that I used before that I can't get...and probably will never get on WP.

And yes, there are some great developers who bring these things to us - 6tag, etc...but it also depends on demand. Intagram, Vine, Pocket, Feedly, etc are all popular enough to generate interest by enough people. And that's what you need. Most of you probably do not live in the southern region of the US, so what need would you have for BB&T bank? Therefore, what developer would be able to generate enough need for an app? Therefore, I'll probably never see an app for my bank. And before you say, "well, just use your laptop or the web version", I could say the same thing about Facebook or Instagram or whatever.

So, while I don't believe apps alone should be the tipping point one way or the other, but to totally dismiss that factor is not fair.

[tgp]

No one denies that iOS or Android have more apps. But to whine about it when you CAN find just about any app you need, is just to whine to hear yourself whine.

If users could find just about any app they need I don't think we'd hear about the app gap. But a lot of apps are not available. Sure, nobody uses 155,000 apps. But the more that are available, the more useful apps any user will find. For example, on my Android I use approximately 1 app for every 10,000 in the store. The same ratio on WP would give me about 16 apps. Interestingly enough, that's almost exactly how many I have installed on my WP. That's how many I've found that are useful for me in the way I use a smartphone.

Windows Phone Store has grown at the same rate as the others. And for a while it even far outpaced the Android store's growth rate at the same age.

This means absolutely nothing. They need to compete with what's on the market today. Would you use that logic to buy a Model T today from a startup automaker?

[hopmedic]

This means absolutely nothing. They need to compete with what's on the market today. Would you use that logic to buy a Model T today from a startup automaker?

So you'd expect that on day one Microsoft had the same number of fart apps as iOS, and kept the same growth pace. That's not a fair OR realistic expectation. When you use a fledgling platform, you SHOULD expect to have less to work with, and if you don't, you'll be highly disappointed. If that's not good enough, you shouldn't be an early adopter.

[MyNL822]

No one denies that iOS or Android have more apps. But to whine about it when you CAN find just about any app you need, is just to whine to hear yourself whine. BTW - a million years ago, there were no apps. On any platform. Windows Phone Store has grown at the same rate as the others. And for a while it even far outpaced the Android store's growth rate at the same age.

First, I'm not whining I'm expressing my complaints to a person asking whether to get iPhone 5s or a WP. Second, for the last time if I could find any app I wanted or needed we wouldn't be having this conversation. Windows Phone is not providing me what I want or need. Third, WP store is going to continue to grow at such a slow rate, while the other contenders started slow and started to grow exponentially(used something I learned in Math, yeah!!). Windows Phone started late, but nobody is gonna switch and say its ok windows phone started late so they are excused for their lack of apps. Fourth, I forgot the comma I meant to say "Apple hit a million, years ago.

[tgp]

So you'd expect that on day one Microsoft had the same number of fart apps as iOS, and kept the same growth pace. That's not a fair OR realistic expectation. When you use a fledgling platform, you SHOULD expect to have less to work with, and if you don't, you'll be highly disappointed. If that's not good enough, you shouldn't be an early adopter.

No, I sure don't expect Microsoft to have the same number of apps as iOS or Android, fart apps or otherwise. WP doesn't fulfill all my smartphone needs. Therefore, it is relegated to the toy role for me. It's not ready to handle my work. I do still like it. If I didn't I wouldn't carry one as my 2nd device.

There are plenty of threads on this forum with WP fans asking how to do something they were used to easily doing on other platforms. It's not just me. To believe it's up to par with iOS or Android overall is denial or blatant fanboyism. Sure, there are things it does better, but the scales are tipped the other way.

[hopmedic]

I'm sorry, guys - the past few days, I've had some heavy things on my mind, and it looks like I was snarkier than I should have been, using this board to blow things off when maybe I should have stepped away.

[MyNL822]

Takes a real man to apologize, I understand things happen.

[anon(7937399)]

I'd pick an Apple phone if I needed one specific app for work/workflow needs AND if I could afford it. Haven't needed to do that yet. Loving my L810 so far, EOL or not.

[5150 Joker]

Go give iPhone a try and then try WP again in 2015. Bet you will kick yourself for missing out on a year of WP. I have an iPhone 5 sitting next to me and aside from app support, it has nothing over my 1520.

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[tgp]

Bet you will kick yourself for missing out on a year of WP.

I got my first WP a year ago, and to be honest, looking back on it I don't feel I would've missed anything if I wouldn't have had WP. I keep waiting, anticipating the breakthrough, thinking it's just around the corner. So far that hasn't materialized. I expect it'll be at least the middle of 2014 until WP 8.1 is released to the public, or at least until we see it on our carrier branded phones.

[5150 Joker]

I got my first WP a year ago, and to be honest, looking back on it I don't feel I would've missed anything if I wouldn't have had WP. I keep waiting, anticipating the breakthrough, thinking it's just around the corner. So far that hasn't materialized. I expect it'll be at least the middle of 2014 until WP 8.1 is released to the public, or at least until we see it on our carrier branded phones.

WP 8.1 should be out before mid 2014. Plus with MS closing the Nokia deal and WP finally getting market traction, I think 2014 is going to be a very good one for WP owners.





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[badger8080]

Apple can suck my **** I love Microsoft and windows never owned an apple **** never will

[tgp]

WP 8.1 should be out before mid 2014. Plus with MS closing the Nokia deal and WP finally getting market traction, I think 2014 is going to be a very good one for WP owners.

I think too that 2014 will be a good year for WP, but referring to your comment about "kicking yourself for missing a year" I don't think that's the case. 8.1 is the next hope WP has to become relevant, and it'll be around 6 months until it's officially rolled out to WPs, give or take. So he'd be missing at most half a year. And it'll probably be another few months until the bugs are worked out. So he's missing nothing in the next year.

[falconrap]

When you look back through this thread, and see how many of the "missing" apps are now on WP8 (Vine, Instagram, Mint, Temple Run 2, Subway Surfers, etc...), I think one has to be blind to not see that WP8's app selection (now over 200k) is growing rapidly, and the name apps are hitting. I think we are going to see some big things in 2014 concerning WP. Little things like a quick drop down for settings, notification center for those who need, separate volume controls, etc... will add up quickly. if Verizon gets that 929 out, I think you will see a big uptick in WP users on that carrier. Release a similar type of phone worldwide, and you will have a big hit.

One thing is for sure, despite what a lot of fanboys want to think, the reality is that, in the US, the market is driven by "the in thing". The iPhone has been that item for the past few years, and the Galaxy line recently became that. If the Lumia line manages to become the cool thing to have, that, and that alone, will be what breaks WP out of the 3rd spot and push it into 2nd in the US. I think the iPhone is ripe for the picking as it has simply become stale, and I'm noticing a lot of iPhone users aren't as big on their phones as they used to be. I wouldn't be surprised if, by the end of 2014, WP hasn't surpassed the iPhone in all major markets outside of the US. But, as with anything, I think people should find which one works best for their usage and use that one. Stop being sheep and figure which phone is best for you.

[etad putta]

WP8's advantages over iOS7? Really only one and that is price. I can buy a 520 for $60, a 521 for $70, a 920 for $100, etc. Cheap prices always win.

[tgp]

WP8's advantages over iOS7? Really only one and that is price. I can buy a 520 for $60, a 521 for $70, a 920 for $100, etc. Cheap prices always win.

Yes, price is about the only advantage, but it's a big enough advantage to supercede all others!

[Binoya Mathews]

WP8's advantages over iOS7? Really only one and that is price. I can buy a 520 for $60, a 521 for $70, a 920 for $100, etc. Cheap prices always win.

Add to this the fact that WP is still busy playing catch up with the competition in terms of features of the OS. WP8.1 is rumoured to have a notification center ,quick settings , support for installing apps on SD card and Cortana . Why didn`t they introduce these features in the first place with WP8?and having a 2 year release cycle is BS unless you are contend with the third place in mobile, which for the moment at least they seem to be.