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  1. Drael646464's Avatar
    2) He's not going to do that, that's not his style. He might hint to some of them in time but that's about it.

    4) It's more reliable than Chinese rumors since he actually has Microsoft contacts, just like Zac Bowden, and Mary Jo Foley do, along with some others.

    Edit: Additionally Dan is usually on the money, unless a feature is dropped or scrapped last minute which has happened.
    I guess I'd have to look at some complex track record of predictions and statements to see if it is more reliable or less :P Those Chinese weibo leaks are not always right, but they are just as often right in my experience of following them - the leaks usually come from the factories where devices are made, or from the companies making them. Often they are deliberate, to generate hype. They are not always right, for example the mi pad 3, but more than enough of them have turned out true, that I don't treat them as false by default. More like, hmmm, maybe, interesting.

    I mean probably that is an actual screen shot of an s8 with windows on it. Whether that product, or rom sees the light of day, who knows.

    For example there was a blackberry passport running android that was leaked. It was real, blackberry never released it. I'm sure MS does plenty of similar things. So if the screenshot is real, which it probably is, doesn't mean we'll get a product.

    If some high level planning with Samsung was taking place here - would those contacts know about it....did dan for example know in advance of release about microsofts DeX apps? It seems like the sort of thing that goes on between Samsung and Microsoft in their joint plans to take over the world, might be fairly hush hush.

    What real insider things has dan leaked or known about first? Windows cloud? Windows on ARM? Cortana bots? HoloLens? Surface Studio?

    Or at least what predictions that you know of, has he made that turned out true? Do you think he would ever deliberately say something isn't true, at the request of his contacts, in order to increase secrecy if the product isn't market ready or finalised?

    For me, I see this and think - interesting. I don't see a product, I don't not see a product. It's....plausible.
    04-23-2017 02:02 AM
  2. libra89's Avatar
    I guess I'd have to look at some complex track record of predictions and statements to see if it is more reliable or less Those Chinese leaks are not always right, but they are just as often right in my experience of following them - the leaks usually come from the factories where devices are made, or from the companies making them. Often they are deliberate, to generate hype. They are not always right, for example the mi pad 3, but more than enough of them have turned out true, that I treat them as false by default.

    If some high level planning with Samsung was taking place here - would those contacts know about it....did dan for example know in advance of release about microsofts DeX apps? It seems like the sort of thing that goes on between Samsung and Microsoft in their joint plans to take over the world, might be fairly hush hush.

    What real insider things has dan leaked or known about first? Windows cloud? Windows on ARM? Cortana bots? HoloLens?

    Or at least what predictions that you know of, has he made that turned out true?
    I can't recall everything but his info on the surface products was correct along with the 950s back then. The Windows on ARM too, come to think of it.
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    04-23-2017 02:08 AM
  3. Drael646464's Avatar
    So he knew about windows on ARM, and wrote about it, before the December reveal?
    04-23-2017 02:15 AM
  4. libra89's Avatar
    It was hinted at, a bit before December.
    04-23-2017 09:48 AM
  5. Drael646464's Avatar
    It was hinted at, a bit before December.
    Well, he must have a little bit of insider priv then. (Or a lot, and a lot of discretion, but I suspect the former based on what you say).

    If its not a upcoming phone, one still wonders what it actually is.

    It could be another flash ROM project, Microsoft trying to perfect the process of installing windows on android devices again.

    I wonder how easy it would be to 'covert' android drivers to windows ones. Or even possible. If that were possible, even with some work, that would open some doors right there, especially after snapdragon 635
    Last edited by Drael646464; 04-23-2017 at 10:15 AM.
    04-23-2017 10:03 AM
  6. Player Piano's Avatar
    Either way, this thread is asking what it would take to get some of us back. That Samsung phone I linked would get me back. I wasn't claiming it was for real or not, in fact it was spelled out pretty clearly for those who took the time to read the article to take the news with a grain of salt.
    04-23-2017 10:25 AM
  7. Scienceguy Labs's Avatar
    Man, I'd be all over a push for flashing Android phones with Windows. I'd love to have W10M on my 6P. Wouldn't solve the app problem, but it would get some pretty good press coverage and attention. But, I doubt the common user would do it. It would be considered a "risk". And I can only imagine the "lose your warranty" and "W10M isn't safe" and "there are no apps" chants that would come from Google. I'd do it though. ๐Ÿ˜
    04-23-2017 11:19 AM
  8. Drael646464's Avatar
    Man, I'd be all over a push for flashing Android phones with Windows. I'd love to have W10M on my 6P. Wouldn't solve the app problem, but it would get some pretty good press coverage and attention. But, I doubt the common user would do it. It would be considered a "risk". And I can only imagine the "lose your warranty" and "W10M isn't safe" and "there are no apps" chants that would come from Google. I'd do it though.
    I'd be all over that too :)
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    04-23-2017 11:32 AM
  9. Stephen Pedersen1's Avatar
    People are always interested in new and interesting.things. They want to see their phones do more and more. With no new apps w10m is stagnant and boring. Sure, it's stable as a rock but there's nothing interesting about it now that the honeymoon is over and now it just lays in bed like a dead fish.

    It needs apps, apps, APPS!

    Furthermore, the idea of a phone running windows 10 is very enticing. I'd like Microsoft to see a surface like she'll that has a screen and keyboard that I could plug my phone into and just run that. There's a million ways to slice the bread but I would like to see some one with cutting edge innovation to do that so our phones would begin to be our main hub for the rest that we do. Microsoft teases us with continuim but that's a half measure. They should create some type of prototype laptop/surface shell that runs the full version of windows 10.
    04-23-2017 02:42 PM
  10. fatclue_98's Avatar
    People are always interested in new and interesting.things. They want to see their phones do more and more. With no new apps w10m is stagnant and boring. Sure, it's stable as a rock but there's nothing interesting about it now that the honeymoon is over and now it just lays in bed like a dead fish.

    It needs apps, apps, APPS!

    Furthermore, the idea of a phone running windows 10 is very enticing. I'd like Microsoft to see a surface like she'll that has a screen and keyboard that I could plug my phone into and just run that. There's a million ways to slice the bread but I would like to see some one with cutting edge innovation to do that so our phones would begin to be our main hub for the rest that we do. Microsoft teases us with continuim but that's a half measure. They should create some type of prototype laptop/surface shell that runs the full version of windows 10.
    Continuum may be a half measure as you state but nobody else has so much as an 1/8 measure. Oh and about the dead fish, always remember: show me a husband who won't and I'll show you a neighbor who will.
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    04-23-2017 03:31 PM
  11. Drael646464's Avatar
    People are always interested in new and interesting.things. They want to see their phones do more and more. With no new apps w10m is stagnant and boring. Sure, it's stable as a rock but there's nothing interesting about it now that the honeymoon is over and now it just lays in bed like a dead fish.

    It needs apps, apps, APPS!

    Furthermore, the idea of a phone running windows 10 is very enticing. I'd like Microsoft to see a surface like she'll that has a screen and keyboard that I could plug my phone into and just run that. There's a million ways to slice the bread but I would like to see some one with cutting edge innovation to do that so our phones would begin to be our main hub for the rest that we do. Microsoft teases us with continuim but that's a half measure. They should create some type of prototype laptop/surface shell that runs the full version of windows 10.
    Well if your feeling impatient there's this - GPD Win Windows Game Handheld

    Shame it doesn't have LTE though. Hopefully the next version will. China always makes interesting stuff.
    04-23-2017 10:38 PM
  12. WinDork's Avatar
    Play nice with Google. That's pretty much it. If I can use Google apps on a Windows Phone, then I'll come back.
    04-24-2017 04:48 PM
  13. donald sherman's Avatar
    Fluid functionality between user, apps, and OS. Over the past year, I've bounced back and forth between Android and W10M. If you allow Google/Android to do it's thing, it becomes evident rather quickly that the functionality of Android is far superior to that of W10M. But, all of this is based on my own user experience and needs. I'm sure others might disagree. Also, apps. MS desperately needs to solve their lack of apps problems.
    I'm the same and I bounce back and forth between iPhone and w10m. I like WP10, the look , the live tiles and the ease of using it, but between crashes and lagging performance I go back to iPhone . What I don't like about the iPhone is it is locked down so one can't customize like you can on WP.
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    04-25-2017 07:12 PM
  14. Awhispersecho's Avatar
    Dedication from MS and a device to buy.
    04-25-2017 07:44 PM
  15. Brett Sites's Avatar
    A new flagship phone that works on ALL networks. A sense of devotion to the idea of Windows everywhere and not just in markets they don't think have a big enough draw. A sense that if they are moving on to the next big thing that they aren't leaving anyone hanging for a couple years at a time and releasing new hardware in the interim. It's not tough to do, but Microsoft is HORRIBLE at marketing and staying true to those who are their best advertising via word of mouth.
    romaink likes this.
    04-26-2017 10:44 AM
  16. romaink's Avatar
    I'm one foot in, one out, but to get me to give up my OnePlus 3:


    • Say something meaningful soon
    • Give a long term commitment to the platform
    • Release a high-end device with full Windows 10 on ARM within the next 6 months
    • Give me the option to sideload APKs and eliminate the app problem.


    That's it! This will be the device to replace my smartphone and my laptop.
    Daky likes this.
    04-26-2017 10:45 AM
  17. toph36's Avatar
    I am still using Windows 10 Mobile. However, without a new phone on Verizon, I will likely be leaving later this year. So, that is what it will take to keep me. I would consider jumping ship from Verizon is there is a compelling enough reason to do so, but there hasn't been to this point. Although, I think without Verizon onboard, Windows on phones will never see a resurgence. Sad. I was hoping it would never come to this, where our only real options are iOS or Android.
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    04-26-2017 10:49 AM
  18. Vincent Ryan's Avatar
    Well said!
    04-26-2017 10:49 AM
  19. n7slc's Avatar
    They need to revisit a built-in Android emulator. One where I can input my Google credentials and have access to the Play Store. That would solve the app issue and bring me back. There are only TWO apps I need and neither of them are on Windows.
    04-26-2017 10:50 AM
  20. Xanc6's Avatar
    Still in with 950XL, spouse on 950 and 3 young adults on 950, 640 and 640. However a Courier form factor with latest w10 on arm would definitely tempt me to change my 950XL
    04-26-2017 10:50 AM
  21. mhc48's Avatar
    Interesting how many are focusing on the phone. I'm still in with a 950 but find myself moving closer and closer to jumping ship when apps I wish I had, like AllTrails or Chase bank and others my friends use make me consider other platforms. Or when I look at new cars and see how many support Apple Car play or Android and often both, but not my phone.

    At this point it seems like UWP apps that would run on a phone and a pc are the only thing that might attract developers to create that app base. But also seems less and less likely to happen.
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    04-26-2017 10:51 AM
  22. Kirstein Gourlay's Avatar
    For me it would be a decent phone with decent specs running an os that is out of beta. And apps. All the ms apps for other platforms plus first party apps for mainstream things. I am on android and iOS. Between them they do everything i want but i loved the fluidity of wp 8.1 and that was lost with wm10. I got rid of the 640xl i had because it refused to log me in, so after device recovery it went back to 8.1 and refused to reupgrade to wm10. So it is in its box gathering dust.

    I am using an elephone p9000 on marshmallow and i love it. Cost ad much as my lumia 640xl but is a much better phone all round.
    04-26-2017 10:59 AM
  23. Jeff Bramwell's Avatar
    I switched to Android about a year ago. I've hated that decision every day since. However, my company provides me with a phone that I don't have to pay for (i.e. it's a company plan) and they only work with Verizon. Since Verizon does not have any decent/new Windows phones I switched to Android (S7 Edge).

    If Verizon had a current/decent flagship phone that was fully supported, I'd be more apt to come back. While I've enjoyed (well, maybe not enjoyed) having the full selection of apps in the Play Store I've never been too hung up on the number of apps.

    That said, I'd have to say that my ability to trust Microsoft to keep/maintain the products that they provide around for a while has diminished over time. So, I'm not sure I'd ever jump back on that bandwagon even though I'm not totally happy with Android.

    Great question!
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    04-26-2017 10:59 AM
  24. dorelse's Avatar
    I hate to say it, but at this point, I'd come back to a 'Windows Mobile' (I say that loosely), if it were a real MS developed live tile skin on top of an Android device. That's about it. I don't believe a word they say anymore.
    04-26-2017 11:00 AM
  25. MattGallant's Avatar
    I haven't left... nor will I. My HP x3 is just fine (my 6th Windows phone: Focus, 900, 920, 1020, 640XL, x3) . The day I have to use iOS (ick) or Android (double ick) on a daily basis is the day I stop using a smartphone... which wouldn't be so bad really.
    04-26-2017 11:01 AM
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