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  1. firstmemories's Avatar
    It's odd. After turning off BAP access to my contacts, my battery last much longer but I still randomly have BAP drain the battery but then I can go a few days without it using any battery. I check the Battery App Usage many times during the day trying to see when BAP is using power and can't narrow it down. Sometimes it uses battery in the morning others in the evening and then not for days but most often it seems to be using battery when I'm using Bluetooth or talking on the phone. I can always tell when BAP is using battery as the phone gets hot. If I catch when BAP battery usage is high, I turn the battery saver on for a few minutes which stops most Apps. Then when I turn off battery saver, my phone has cooled down and BAP App goes down on the list of battery App usage.

    I'm at the point of considering doing a reset back to W8.1 then doing the whole W10 install process again to see if it clears BAP. The key is to make sure you don't even start up BAP after a reset. I opened the BAP App after an update a couple months ago to see if there were any new options to uninstall or turn it off but I didn't accept the Verizon agreement on the first page so I assumed BAP didn't start but now I'm thinking maybe it did. My current battery usage is reasonable now with BAP only periodically draining the battery so I guess I'm ok but my OCD kicks in and I want to fix it.

    Question for you, when you started W10 recently, did you allow the BAP to set up during the start up process? If you did, that's your "bad" battery usage issue so you'll have to do a hard reset and start from scratch. If you skipped the BAP during startup and have never opened the BAP App and are still having battery problems and seeing excess battery use, then me doing a hard reset on mine just to stop BAP won't help me so I'm stuck with what I got.

    I have asked others on this forum using W10 and Verizon to call Verizon to complain and ask them to add an option to uninstall or simply turn off BAP from your Verizon website account. They said they know of the problem with W10 users but they have no fix yet but said if enough people ask for the fix they may eventually make one. W10 finally has a BAP "uninstall" button under Apps but currently it is greyed out so can't be used... yet.

    However, we all know Verizon is trying to get everyone to buy a new phone and drop W10 altogether so you would think Microsoft would make a fix to block BAP to keep their W10 users but is Microsoft really even in the Phone business anymore or just doing the W10-phone updates to make it look like they are even making an effort to compete? My OCD just won't let me move on although an Android phone is in my horizon especially since Microsoft is making Android Apps for everything from Office to Outlook to Onedrive to Onenote, everything Microsoft offers so again.... are they really even competing in the phone business anymore,
    Well, unfortunately, I did not setup BAP or start it, so I guess that means we are still in the middle of the problem.

    I love the W10 OS and really don't want to give up my glance screen but at some point it's either drop Verizon or consider a Samsung Edge, I guess. I hate the thought of a bunch of icons instead of an intelligent set of live tiles.

    The new HP phone looks pretty solid (although expensive), but again, no Verizon option. Is Verizon that much better than everyone else?
    02-05-2017 02:35 PM
  2. firstmemories's Avatar
    I did not setup BAP or start it, so I guess that means we're in for the same battery issues.

    I'd really like to stay with W10 mobile because I love the glance screen with live tiles and far prefer it to a screen full of icons. Of course, that means waiting to see if Verizon ever supports a Windows phone or switching to ATT or someone else. Is the Verizon network really that much better?

    Outside of that, I guess grabbing a Samsung Edge would be my next move. I think the new (really expensive) HP Windows phone looks great, but again, no Verizon.
    02-05-2017 02:39 PM
  3. Wayne Weiler's Avatar
    I doubt Verizon is really that much better than any of the big providers. I've been with Verizon since they were OneTouch so 20+ years so basically it's just my OCD that doesn't let me change providers. However, Verizon is the only provider with BAP so others with the HTC 8 on differ providers aren't having the BAP battery usage issue. I'm going to see if AT&T has any Windows phones or see if they will allow my current HTC 8 (I luv this phone) to be used on their service. That's a sure fix to dropping BAP if they allow it.

    I was just on the phone for an hour and it's now hot and the BAP App is at 97% of my battery usage so I just put on the battery saver to stop the App so it can cool down and save my battery. Absolutely CRAZY...
    02-05-2017 02:54 PM
  4. firstmemories's Avatar
    That's too bad. I'm not sure what ATT offers, but will take a look.
    02-05-2017 03:01 PM
  5. daveb673's Avatar
    Could one of you that is using a 15000 variety tell me if your earbuds with microphone works with that build? Mine still works with 14965, but is a little quirky. When the phone rings, it doesn't ring in my earbuds, the phone itself rings. But when I hit the button to answer, the phone works with the earbuds as it should. Anyone else experience this?
    02-05-2017 03:06 PM
  6. firstmemories's Avatar
    Could one of you that is using a 15000 variety tell me if your earbuds with microphone works with that build? Mine still works with 14965, but is a little quirky. When the phone rings, it doesn't ring in my earbuds, the phone itself rings. But when I hit the button to answer, the phone works with the earbuds as it should. Anyone else experience this?
    I'm stuck on 14393, waiting for the next boost.
    02-05-2017 03:08 PM
  7. Wayne Weiler's Avatar
    I'm already on 15025 which is the third 15000 update already. 14393 is the Slow Ring setting on Windows Insider. I suggest changing your ring to Fast to get the latest updates to 15025 and then set your ring back to Slow if you want to wait awhile for other new updates. 15025 is way better than 14393 with very little noteworthy bugs.

    daveb673, I see nobody has answered your earbuds question yet. I'm on 15025 but I don't use earbuds so I can't help you with that one
    02-05-2017 11:00 PM
  8. firstmemories's Avatar
    I'm actually on fast, but no other updates have shown up, since I first went to 393 two days ago.
    02-05-2017 11:38 PM
  9. Jeffrey Brooks-Dowty's Avatar
    I'm on slow and 14965 is available now, but It seems to get stuck at ~70% on the update. I'm currently on 14393, which has been pretty solid on the One M8.
    02-06-2017 01:20 PM
  10. firstmemories's Avatar
    15025 just started downloading on my Lumia 735. My HTC is still on Fast but not getting anything above 14393.
    02-06-2017 01:37 PM
  11. Jeffrey Brooks-Dowty's Avatar
    Did you have to change your registry settings back to a Lumia 735 in order to get further updates after the initial upgrade to redstone? I don't remember what build I got initially when I updated the registry and I'm not sure if it downloaded updates since. For the updates I'm installing now, I changed the registry back to a Lumia 735. Maybe that's why it's getting stuck for me...
    02-06-2017 01:52 PM
  12. firstmemories's Avatar
    My HTC (settings changed to Lumia 735) got the 393, then I changed the settings back to HTC and it has not gotten anymore updates. Maybe I need to change it back to being called the Nokia Lumia 735 to continue to get updates?

    My actual Lumia 735 just got the 15025 about 5 minutes ago.
    02-06-2017 02:10 PM
  13. Jeffrey Brooks-Dowty's Avatar
    Yeah, confirmed that's the case on my phone. If I change registry settings to Lumia it has updates available. If I change back to HTC One M8, no updates.

    Has anyone here upgraded to 15025 successfully on a one M8? If so, any issues?

    Also, are people keeping the registry settings set to a Lumia 735 or just changing them back/forth every time they update?
    02-06-2017 02:24 PM
  14. daveb673's Avatar
    I have been changing back each time. Still on 14965.

    [edit] Wayne W is on 15025, it looks like...
    Last edited by daveb673; 02-06-2017 at 08:07 PM.
    02-06-2017 02:41 PM
  15. firstmemories's Avatar
    On a different note, has anything figures out how to sideload Android apps on the W10 HTC?
    02-06-2017 05:38 PM
  16. Wayne Weiler's Avatar
    When I first started Redstone I changed my phone to Lumia, updated, then changed my settings back to HTC and have gotten all the updates to date; I'm now on 15025. However, if anyone is having an issue with updates when changing it back to HTC, why not just leave your phone on Lumia.

    FYI, the 15000 update series has really helped battery life over 14393 (except those using Verizon still have issues with BAP but it's also much better).
    02-06-2017 08:28 PM
  17. daveb673's Avatar
    I put my phone on "Fast Ring" almost a week ago, and haven't seen any updates. Will change it to Lumia info and see what happens. Still on 14965.1001
    Went into Interop to switch data, rebooted phone. Still no updates?!

    [edit] Have been running with "Fast Ring" and Lumia 735 settings for a few days now. Nada on updates.
    Last edited by daveb673; 02-10-2017 at 09:49 AM.
    02-08-2017 08:29 AM
  18. xForTheWin's Avatar
    How is the 15025 working out for your HTC m8? I'm sitting on Redstone 1 at 10.0.14393.67 and afraid to move on since it's my daily driver... I originally had my m8 (on AT&T - used registry edits to mimic Lumia 735 and get from 8.1 ver2 to the 10 preview) set to fast ring and flew past the 10.0.14393.67, but quickly got caught in a failure-to-fully-boot loop, so I had to throw my hands up and start over...

    The version I'm on is pretty solid for my m8, only a few crashes when using heavy resource apps like the camera, people hub (I have a crap ton of contacts), and forgetting to clear multitasking building up. I've cleaned out all my old 8.1 apps and started fresh from the win10 app store since opening those caused of a lot of crashes.

    Is it really that much better on the other side of Redstone (going to 2)? What makes it worth opening up my ring setting again to move forward?
    02-09-2017 08:14 PM
  19. firstmemories's Avatar
    I love the HTC M8, but shut it down because the BAP seems to be an issue that will not stop the battery drain. I broke down and bought an old Nokis 929 for Verizon and am currently in the process of upgrading it to W10, on the Fast Ring.

    The memory kinda sucks, at only 32g, but I'm hoping it will work well until a new W10 phones hits Verizon.

    If a solution is found to BAP or the battery drain on the HTC, I'll go back to it.
    Last edited by firstmemories; 02-11-2017 at 08:41 AM.
    02-09-2017 08:24 PM
  20. firstmemories's Avatar
    Well, just fyi, I stayed on the Fast Ring with my 929 and the latest build killed Bluetooth and screwed up another few things. I'm going to rebuild back to 14393, then go to the Slow Ring.
    02-11-2017 08:42 AM
  21. daveb673's Avatar
    I love the HTC M8, but shut it down because the BAP seems to be an issue that will not stop the battery drain. I broke down and bought an old Nokis 929 for Verizon and am currently in the process of upgrading it to W10, on the Fast Ring.

    The memory kinda sucks, at only 32g, but I'm hoping it will work well until a new W10 phones hits Verizon.

    If a solution is found to BAP or the battery drain on the HTC, I'll go back to it.
    Why not stick a micro SD card in it? I use a 64GB card, works very well.
    02-13-2017 12:47 PM
  22. firstmemories's Avatar
    Why not stick a micro SD card in it? I use a 64GB card, works very well.
    Sorry, meant the memory sucks in the 929. It doesn't have a card slot. Great phone, though. The screen is amazing.
    02-13-2017 01:14 PM
  23. Wayne Weiler's Avatar
    I don't understand why any Windows Phone would work differently, concerning BAP, when using W10 since you're using the same Software but in a different model/make of Phone and we are fooling W10 into thinking we are using a Lumia not a HTC?

    When using your 929, did you set up BAP with the W10 install and if so, any problems with the battery on that phone? Since you have two phones, have you tried fully setting up BAP on the HTC, W10, and then set the backup to "manual" so maybe it doesn't run in the background? Maybe our trying to block it is what is causing the battery drain issue since it gets stuck when trying to run automatically?

    I've never used BAP so now I'm thinking I may want to try setting it up fully/properly and seeing if it simply works correctly, not draining the battery, if it is used correctly instead of trying to block it. However, I'm on 15025 and am very happy with this release so I would be very upset if I did a hard reset to start over installing W10 and try to use BAP properly but not be able to get past 14393 like some of you look to be having an issue getting to 15025.
    02-13-2017 07:04 PM
  24. firstmemories's Avatar
    I don't understand why any Windows Phone would work differently, concerning BAP, when using W10 since you're using the same Software but in a different model/make of Phone and we are fooling W10 into thinking we are using a Lumia not a HTC?

    When using your 929, did you set up BAP with the W10 install and if so, any problems with the battery on that phone? Since you have two phones, have you tried fully setting up BAP on the HTC, W10, and then set the backup to "manual" so maybe it doesn't run in the background? Maybe our trying to block it is what is causing the battery drain issue since it gets stuck when trying to run automatically?

    I've never used BAP so now I'm thinking I may want to try setting it up fully/properly and seeing if it simply works correctly, not draining the battery, if it is used correctly instead of trying to block it. However, I'm on 15025 and am very happy with this release so I would be very upset if I did a hard reset to start over installing W10 and try to use BAP properly but not be able to get past 14393 like some of you look to be having an issue getting to 15025.
    I didn't set up BAP on either phone. I'm not certain that BAP is the battery culprit on HTC. I just mentioned it be I believe your theory that there is something related to it running in the background on the HTC. Obviously, there is something else going on on the HTC also.

    The 929 seems to be running great, but I won't be able to really test the battery until I travel Thursday/Friday. That will have me draining it like crazy on airplanes and the like and will let me really see if it holds the charge better than the HTC.

    Loading that 15031 was a huge mistake, though, as it killed the Bluetooth. I'm hoping for a new release/fix soon.
    02-13-2017 07:17 PM
  25. Wayne Weiler's Avatar
    I know BAP is 100% the battery draining issue with the HTC because under settings/system/battery/battery usage by app, it shows all Apps that are in use with their percentage of total battery use. When my battery is doing great, BAP is either way down on the usage list or not on the list at all. When my battery is draining and my phone gets warm, BAP is at the top of the list with usage as high as 70-90% of the total Apps in use. I watch the Battery App usage settings many times each day trying to figure out when BAP is trying to run but no luck so far as it's random. This is why I'm thinking about starting up my BAP correctly on my HTC and seeing if I can set it to "manual" backup instead of "auto" backup thus hopefully stopping the App from even running unless I want it to run. I used BAP (worked great) back when I had a Blackberry and remembered it had the "manual" backup setting option so????
    02-13-2017 07:38 PM
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