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  1. Rocket_Girl's Avatar
    I ended the long sad fight to keep TITAN in my life. Went with the Focus S, a device I had ignored while in thrall with the TITAN. When I finally looked past all that slick beauty, the quieter yet reliable Focus S stepped out of TITAN's shadow and won my heart.

    May be a rebound relationship, but I can say that I am no longer obsessed with thoughts about what could be wrong...how to make it work...did I love TITAN enough to overlook his flaws?

    After five stages of breakup-grief: denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance, new relationship had been right there, waiting patiently for me to see it.

    I am very happy in my new relationship. We clic: its easy, it fits, and I trust it. [strolls off into sunset to live happily ever after...]
    Last edited by Rocket_Girl; 12-23-2011 at 11:31 AM.
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    12-23-2011 11:22 AM
  2. HeyCori's Avatar
    12-23-2011 11:32 AM
  3. kevm14's Avatar
    One of the reasons I initially passed up the Focus S was the initial bug reports.
    12-23-2011 11:49 AM
  4. Rocket_Girl's Avatar
    well, if he has really, truly changed...perhaps to LTE...he would have to really work to earn my trust...
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    12-23-2011 12:03 PM
  5. Dave Blake's Avatar
    Sad..Sad...Sad... I hope you let him down easy poor fella.. :blush:
    12-23-2011 12:17 PM
  6. tmotytn's Avatar
    One of the reasons I initially passed up the Focus S was the initial bug reports.
    yeah, me too...I think that since the Focus S and Flash hit a week or two before the Titan, and then the delay to actually get the Titans added up to the Sammy early adopters having time to report while we didnt have our Titans inhand...the whole time we were reading about their issues, we were glad to have waited for the Titan to drop, thinking about those poor, silly fools that jumped too early and "settled" for the Samsung...if they had all hit at the same time, the bug reports would have been hitting simultaneously...

    Well, as I type this out on my Samsung Focus S, I realize that those initial bugs that had been reported either a)were resolved on the 2nd or 3rd batch shipped out, or b)arent an issue for me, because I have had a night and day better experience with the Sammy...

    And like RocketGirl, I am not opposed to giving it another shot later...even standing at the ATT store doing the swap the other night, I was asking myself "how often do I actually make calls anyway?"--I reeaaallllly didnt want to let the Titan go...
    12-23-2011 12:41 PM
  7. Duvi's Avatar
    I may be doing the same. Started playing iHeart at work today and both my co-workers were saying how horrible the speaker sounds. I could take a chance and swap it out for another Titan, but I love Sammies and will probably be much happier there.
    12-23-2011 12:47 PM
  8. klocker2's Avatar
    ...even standing at the ATT store doing the swap the other night, I was asking myself "how often do I actually make calls anyway?"--I reeaaallllly didnt want to let the Titan go...

    yep I'm boxing mine up as we speak to go return and i am seriously not happy about it. I am going to look at a new one they may have gotten in this week and see if it is different but making a call or two from the store and sounding good is not good enough as this one sounds just fine sometimes as well.

    I will feel better when it's out of sight, out of mind.


    edit: also have a Focus S and like it a lot but I love the titan
    Last edited by klocker2; 12-23-2011 at 12:55 PM.
    12-23-2011 12:47 PM
  9. airsmith's Avatar
    Gonna have to do the same as well. 3 Titans later, i just want a phone people can hear me on now
    12-23-2011 02:22 PM
  10. tjwheels's Avatar
    Mine went back on Wednesday, will wait until after CES to make a decision on a new Windows phone.
    12-23-2011 02:50 PM
  11. Rocket_Girl's Avatar
    Sad..Sad...Sad... I hope you let him down easy poor fella.. :blush:
    Dave, I let him down a bit more gently than you did (sorry, couldn't resist). Enjoy the party with your new TITAN :-)
    12-23-2011 06:24 PM
  12. invertme's Avatar
    I went back to my original focus... If it aint broke don't fix it...
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    12-23-2011 08:39 PM
  13. kevm14's Avatar
    And like RocketGirl, I am not opposed to giving it another shot later...even standing at the ATT store doing the swap the other night, I was asking myself "how often do I actually make calls anyway?"--I reeaaallllly didnt want to let the Titan go...
    My actual problems I have mostly concluded that they are all Mango issues, or firmware-updatable issues.

    My main gripes are:
    * Disappearing keyboard (Mango/OS)
    * Slow 4G (yeah some of it is hardware design but if it is limited to Cat 8, then Cat 10 would be faster, no matter what)
    * Call quality (never had anyone complain but I believe it is muffled and there is some seriously over-active NR going on while on-call but the mic itself is fine so no point in exchanging over this, given my mild symptoms)
    * Occasionally flaky proximity sensor (seems to basically stop working on some calls over ~4 minutes)
    * WiFi slow to reconnect or doesn't always automatically reconnect on power up (this is clearly software)
    * I have seen app bugs that cause apps to close after either opening them or selecting a function (such as search in IMDB) and a reboot fixes it. I have to believe this is an OS issue or an app issue, and not a Titan issue.

    I don't think I've had any rebooting issues and I do have Skydrive. But I will have to find a way to tell because right now there is really no way to know. I have stopped seeing the no-data issue in the past week, for whatever reason.

    I ordered my device the 2nd day it was out and had it over-nighted so I have one of the first batch. I was also able to get a credit so I didn't pay anything for it, which helps for some of the minor issues. I agree, though, with a major issue, it's not even the money - you need a device that works. Fortunately I don't have any issues that would cause me to exchange for another Titan or switch phones entirely.

    That said, I DO want to put pressure on AT&T and/or HTC to fix what can be fixed. The MS stuff will get fixed anyway so that stuff is lower on my radar.
    12-24-2011 08:05 AM
  14. kevm14's Avatar
    I may be doing the same. Started playing iHeart at work today and both my co-workers were saying how horrible the speaker sounds. I could take a chance and swap it out for another Titan, but I love Sammies and will probably be much happier there.
    Really? I find it to be above average, though I wouldn't expect to play music on any phone speakerphone and be happy with the quality.
    12-24-2011 08:07 AM
  15. Duvi's Avatar
    Really? I find it to be above average, though I wouldn't expect to play music on any phone speakerphone and be happy with the quality.
    Below average like most of their speakers and earpieces in other devices. Some don't have many or any problems, but I wasn't chancing it on my 30th day. I might have tried another Titan if it was the 14th day.
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    12-24-2011 11:56 AM
  16. SuperSport's Avatar
    I went back to my original focus... If it aint broke don't fix it...
    I returned my Titan and got an iPhone 4s. Now the iPhone 4s sits on my desk waiting for me to send it to eBay. I'm back on my Original Focus too! It's an awesome phone that just works!
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    12-26-2011 02:36 PM
  17. tmotytn's Avatar
    I returned my Titan and got an iPhone 4s. Now the iPhone 4s sits on my desk waiting for me to send it to eBay. I'm back on my Original Focus too! It's an awesome phone that just works!
    I mentioned to the rep at the ATT store that I was happy to just go back into my original Focus if the one Titan they had in the backroom wasn't any better than the one I was bringing back, but because she didn't want to lose the upgrade, they gave me a Focus S for the same special arrangement price I had with the retention department...

    The first day or two, I was kind of thinking about just returning it and keeping the original Focus, because you are right, "it just works"...what won me over was the speed of the S. Since I live in the Dallas market, my Faux G does work all over the places I go...but, that said, I could probably re-adjust pretty easily back to the 3G Focus after a day or two...
    12-26-2011 03:14 PM
  18. gtg465x's Avatar
    My actual problems I have mostly concluded that they are all Mango issues, or firmware-updatable issues.

    My main gripes are:
    * Disappearing keyboard (Mango/OS)
    * Slow 4G (yeah some of it is hardware design but if it is limited to Cat 8, then Cat 10 would be faster, no matter what)
    * Call quality (never had anyone complain but I believe it is muffled and there is some seriously over-active NR going on while on-call but the mic itself is fine so no point in exchanging over this, given my mild symptoms)
    * Occasionally flaky proximity sensor (seems to basically stop working on some calls over ~4 minutes)
    * WiFi slow to reconnect or doesn't always automatically reconnect on power up (this is clearly software)
    * I have seen app bugs that cause apps to close after either opening them or selecting a function (such as search in IMDB) and a reboot fixes it. I have to believe this is an OS issue or an app issue, and not a Titan issue.

    I don't think I've had any rebooting issues and I do have Skydrive. But I will have to find a way to tell because right now there is really no way to know. I have stopped seeing the no-data issue in the past week, for whatever reason.

    I ordered my device the 2nd day it was out and had it over-nighted so I have one of the first batch. I was also able to get a credit so I didn't pay anything for it, which helps for some of the minor issues. I agree, though, with a major issue, it's not even the money - you need a device that works. Fortunately I don't have any issues that would cause me to exchange for another Titan or switch phones entirely.

    That said, I DO want to put pressure on AT&T and/or HTC to fix what can be fixed. The MS stuff will get fixed anyway so that stuff is lower on my radar.
    I agree with your sentiments. I have experienced very few issues with my Titan, none of them are dealbreakers, and I expect most of them, if not all of them, to be fixed in future updates. Most brand new devices have a few issues out of the box that are fixed with firmware upgrades. Even the iPhone 4, iPhone 4S, and original Focus had issues when they were launched that have been ironed out with updates. In my opinion people are jumping ship way too quickly on this amazing device.
    12-26-2011 03:19 PM
  19. Rocket_Girl's Avatar
    I agree with your sentiments. I have experienced very few issues with my Titan, none of them are dealbreakers, and I expect most of them, if not all of them, to be fixed in future updates. Most brand new devices have a few issues out of the box that are fixed with firmware upgrades. Even the iPhone 4, iPhone 4S, and original Focus had issues when they were launched that have been ironed out with updates. In my opinion people are jumping ship way too quickly on this amazing device.
    I Think TITAN has the /potential/ to be an amazing device. Problem is, it is hard to know when, exactly that will materialize. When the phone is non-functional (stuck in boot loop) or unusable (call quality), that puts many of us in a choose-or-lose situation. Initially planned to wait it out...but having gone through three different handsets, none of them usable, waiting it out was a bit of a non-starter.
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    12-26-2011 03:46 PM
  20. tampacoder's Avatar
    I broke it off with my TITAN about 2 weeks ago. I'm not sure if it was AT&T or the phone; but if the person on the other end can't hear me that's a failue on both parties.

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    12-26-2011 03:48 PM
  21. tmotytn's Avatar
    I agree with your sentiments. I have experienced very few issues with my Titan, none of them are dealbreakers, and I expect most of them, if not all of them, to be fixed in future updates. Most brand new devices have a few issues out of the box that are fixed with firmware upgrades. Even the iPhone 4, iPhone 4S, and original Focus had issues when they were launched that have been ironed out with updates. In my opinion people are jumping ship way too quickly on this amazing device.
    Not arguing here, I think you have made a great point, and only want to post for the sake of continuing the conversation...

    I agree with your opinion about folks jumping ship too early to an extent...I don't think any of us that have already jumped did it easily. Speaking for myself, it was an agonizing decision made over the course of a set period of time that I consciously monitored my usage and activity. (And yes, I realize how dramatic the term "agonizing" sounds when it is pertaining to a phone...I felt like I had finally found my 'perfect' device, and did not want to give it up...)

    Being in the wireless industry for 10 plus years, and being a longtime reader of the many forums related to it, I made my decision with the knowledge that manufacturers put out devices at a very rapid pace, and in the process, existing handsets that are already in the market sometimes get left behind or forgotten about, and never receive expected updates. The debate rages on about who is to blame for this, the carrier or the manufacturer, and I don't necessarily subscribe to either side of that one (not because I don't care, but because I usually bore easily and either update/upgrade it myself, or move on to something new altogether.)

    I picked up an Atrix at launch, and tried a couple of new androids since, only to return them in favor of my original Atrix...now there is an Atrix 2, but when you compare the specs, other than a bigger screen and bigger camera, what are you getting? In the meantime, where are the updates to the Atrix (that isn't even a year old yet)? Will it get a taste of Ice Cream Sandwich? And, if so, will it be from Moto, or from the devs at Cyanogen?

    Now, to our beloved WP7--the Titan has been out less than a month, and BGR is already telling us about a new LTE model on the horizon in Q1 that will be "Titan-like"...surely, WP isn't already becoming like the Android platform, is it? Keep churning out handsets, and let the devs and hobbyists work out the bugs?

    To sum it all up: I wish I had been one of the lucky ones that had gotten a solid Titan, cuz I woulda kept it. But based on past history, I will be pleasantly surprised if a patch is released to fix the issues. If one comes out, whether it be an HTC release or a dev release, most likely I will be scouring my local Craigslist to find one...

    Again, not arguing...just wanted to take the conversation a little further...looking forward to other folks opinions on the matter...
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    12-26-2011 03:56 PM
  22. snowmutt's Avatar
    I returned my Titan and got an iPhone 4s. Now the iPhone 4s sits on my desk waiting for me to send it to eBay. I'm back on my Original Focus too! It's an awesome phone that just works!
    Pure genius.
    12-26-2011 04:56 PM
  23. snowmutt's Avatar
    My Wife loves her Titan. She is one of the best salesman (sales person?) for WP out there. We were at Radio Shack the other day looking at new routers and she actually tore into the sales rep that was helping us for not having any WP devices on display in the AT&T section of their wireless display!! (I am so proud!!) But she really hates the call quality, and yes it is sluggish in ways my Focus S isn't. She truly kicked around turning in her Titan for an S, but in the end just wanted the advatages the Titan gives her. I understand the frustration of the Titan owners. This SHOULD be a great phone, a flagship to hang your hat on. Hope some firmware updates are pushed out soon.

    And as for the thought brought up by tmotyn in a very well written post above concerning the rumors of LTE coming on Tango (is that confirmed yet?), and then high def screens, dual core processors and all the such coming on WP-8 on the heels of Tango, all I can say is that I will be happy to say My Focus S is outdated. I want the ecosystem to succeed. Just think of the fun choices at the next upgrade.....
    12-26-2011 05:09 PM
  24. Duvi's Avatar
    I broke it off with my TITAN about 2 weeks ago. I'm not sure if it was AT&T or the phone; but if the person on the other end can't hear me that's a failue on both parties.

    Sent from my Trophy using Board Express
    How would that be both parties if it is probably HTC quality control in which at&t has no control over.

    Sent from my Windows Phone 7 device using Board Express
    12-26-2011 05:31 PM
  25. kevm14's Avatar
    I agree with your sentiments. I have experienced very few issues with my Titan, none of them are dealbreakers, and I expect most of them, if not all of them, to be fixed in future updates. Most brand new devices have a few issues out of the box that are fixed with firmware upgrades. Even the iPhone 4, iPhone 4S, and original Focus had issues when they were launched that have been ironed out with updates. In my opinion people are jumping ship way too quickly on this amazing device.
    I had IMDB do a crash/close on me again while searching. I rebooted and it still did it. That is clearly an app problem.
    12-26-2011 10:30 PM
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