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  1. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    No, this is just wrong. This comparison doesn't work. That's all he was saying.
    ok so call IOS4S

    Iphone 4S IS a software upgrade !!!! lol and a HW upgrade all in one

    maybe you dont see the different cause apple is the ONLY company that make Iphone...

    if MS was like apple , mango would have been the new phone and not the new update


    if you have an IPHONE 4 you can get a SOFTWARE update to IOS4S (w/e its called) hence why getting a 4s is useless unless you want a better camera or better hardware


    example:
    SAmsubng focus = Iphone 4 (pre mango and mango) ( pre-IOS4S and IOS4s)
    Iphone 4s = samsung focus S (after mango) after IOS4S

    software + hardware update. same thing.
    You can get Mango on a Samsung Focus, so why get a Focus S. Faster processor, better GPU, BLUETOOTH 4.0!....
    10-04-2011 03:20 PM
  2. adamopinheiro's Avatar
    Okay guys, Apple did the obvious but they made a very good phone even better with this update.

    BUT they still have the same paradigm and that's what I want to change. That's why I am almost a WP user.

    Now that is Nokia's window to jump back to the game. If they show us some respectable Windows Phones they will be able to make a huge dent in iOS and Android's marketshare.
    10-04-2011 03:24 PM
  3. selfcreation's Avatar
    of course ios4 to ios5 is a software update. But that was never the point of the discussion.

    that was the whole point!!!!!

    Iphone 4s got upgraded to IOS5 ..... so the Iphone 4s got a software update compare to Iphone4

    lost the link to my GUN IN MOUTH but it should be right here.
    10-04-2011 03:34 PM
  4. nyquistjack's Avatar
    I think Sprint is the real loser here. The only thing I was waiting for on Sprint was to see if they'd get a new WP7 device or if the iPhone would finally get a larger screen. It seems pretty obvious to me Sprint is going to be a 2 trick pony. Android and the iPhone. I may have been willing to try out the iPhone if it finally got a 4.3" screen, but it didn't.

    So, with the lousiest selection of phones in the industry (well, minus t-mobile) and the fact that they screwed me out of $400 I will be leaving Sprint for the cornacopia of devices over at ATT. Can't wait to get back to WP7.
    10-04-2011 03:35 PM
  5. cckgz4's Avatar
    Apple is right on track. Not their fault that people speculated their own thoughts on a new iPhone. They are repeating their SAME formula (3g, 3gS, IP4, IP4S) and might possibly do another iPhone the following year. People are doing way too much moaning over something that was never confirmed but aren't happy for the fact that there's ANOTHER carrier that has the iPhone. If you don't care, ignore it altogether and hold your wp7 PROUD. I know I am
    10-04-2011 03:58 PM
  6. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    I'm pretty sure Sprint would disagree with you. I'm sure they have a few people wanting an iPhone. And yeah, I think a couple of people want Android phones too.
    I think Sprint is the real loser here. The only thing I was waiting for on Sprint was to see if they'd get a new WP7 device or if the iPhone would finally get a larger screen. It seems pretty obvious to me Sprint is going to be a 2 trick pony. Android and the iPhone. I may have been willing to try out the iPhone if it finally got a 4.3" screen, but it didn't.

    So, with the lousiest selection of phones in the industry (well, minus t-mobile) and the fact that they screwed me out of $400 I will be leaving Sprint for the cornacopia of devices over at ATT. Can't wait to get back to WP7.
    10-04-2011 04:02 PM
  7. scottcraft's Avatar
    I think the 4s is going to be a hit. The hardware is pretty serious. I can only imagine what mango could do on that hardware.

    Sent from my Windows 7 phone using Board Express
    10-04-2011 04:21 PM
  8. TheWeeBear's Avatar
    I think the 4s is going to be a hit. The hardware is pretty serious. I can only imagine what mango could do on that hardware.

    Sent from my Windows 7 phone using Board Express
    It already does it without that hardware. ;)
    10-04-2011 04:23 PM
  9. scottcraft's Avatar
    It already does it without that hardware. ;)
    It does indeed. I think my trophy smokes the iPhone and the top androids. I just wonder sometimes how mind blowing fast mango would be with hardware similar to the 4S.


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    10-04-2011 04:32 PM
  10. nyquistjack's Avatar
    I'm pretty sure Sprint would disagree with you. I'm sure they have a few people wanting an iPhone. And yeah, I think a couple of people want Android phones too.
    Well, they invested $20 billion on the iPhone (ordered 30 million of the buggers). They have no exclusivity and their first iPhone is less than exciting. Customer service for Sprint has been going down the toilet for months. A lot of what I liked about them is gone, all in the name if getting the iPhone. Just call it a hunch that it won't be the cash cow they hope it will be. Time will tell


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    10-04-2011 06:01 PM
  11. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    Both were rumors. There's no proof that says sprint spent 20 billion on the iPhone. That rumor went hand and hand with the exclusivity rumor.
    Well, they invested $20 billion on the iPhone (ordered 30 million of the buggers). They have no exclusivity and their first iPhone is less than exciting. Customer service for Sprint has been going down the toilet for months. A lot of what I liked about them is gone, all in the name if getting the iPhone. Just call it a hunch that it won't be the cash cow they hope it will be. Time will tell


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    10-04-2011 06:06 PM
  12. jfa1's Avatar
    are you kidding me?? of course they screwed up LMAO!!!

    if you have a Iphione4 .. there is NO POINT in getting the Iphone 4S.. lol

    its virtually the SAME phone. you can even upgarde the Iphone 4 to the new OS......

    its a SAD day for apple .
    I read an article on line about it and someone said this is, for the first time that Apple has maintained and not been ahead and they will noiw have to catch up or something like that. The only thing compeeling about the 4s is the 64GB memory. And with the notice that the Titan and Focus are using 16GB NAND memorty, hey if they can use 16GB they should be able to use 64GB NAND or dual NANDS
    10-04-2011 06:06 PM
  13. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    No it wasn't the point of the discussion.
    Of course ios4 to ios5 is a software update. But that was never the point of the discussion.
    10-04-2011 06:10 PM
  14. nrguser's Avatar
    I think they are doing what Apple does and will always do. They follow the simple "don't break it if it aint broke". The Futurama episode where they have the "eyephone" is simply classic. Their cycles make since from a business standpoint, put new hardware and software into the same style phone and spend more time on a new device 2 years away. They really wouldn't be anywhere today without their developers and the apps they produce because of the lack of built in features, which is why I love my HTC Arrive.

    I converted an iPhone user to Windows Phone simply on the basis that everything just works. Great battery life, easy interface, TONS of features built in (AKA less apps needed), and the up time. I have never had my phone crash, restart, or lock up once since I have owned it which coming from Winmo, Android, WebOS, and BB, that's one amazing feat.

    I am jealous of one app though... I want Sim City 2000 for my WP7 :D
    10-04-2011 09:30 PM
  15. GekkoAce's Avatar
    Heck yeah Apple screwed up!! I am just losing faith that MS will capitalize. I still haven't seen a commercial on TV since Mango was released.
    10-04-2011 09:56 PM
  16. nyquistjack's Avatar
    Both were rumors. There's no proof that says sprint spent 20 billion on the iPhone. That rumor went hand and hand with the exclusivity rumor.
    Even if they didn't drop all that scratch, they are definitely adjusting their business expecting a huge influx of iphone users. I don't think they are goin to see the rush they expect and another small incremental upgrade won't bring extra excitement to help them.

    Regardless, I am done with Sprint. I don't want a 3.6" screen and that is my only option outside of android, which I can't stand.


    -- Sent from my HP TouchPad using Communities
    10-04-2011 10:33 PM
  17. Pronk's Avatar
    I read an article on line about it and someone said this is, for the first time that Apple has maintained and not been ahead and they will noiw have to catch up or something like that. The only thing compeeling about the 4s is the 64GB memory. And with the notice that the Titan and Focus are using 16GB NAND memorty, hey if they can use 16GB they should be able to use 64GB NAND or dual NANDS
    Catch up??? If anyone thinks Apple aren't ahead other than having a best-in-class display, optimized dual-core processor, 8MP version of what was one of the best mobile cameras already AND the best supported app ecosystem, go and look at the Siri demo:



    You know how the computer works in Star Trek when they just talk at it? Yeah, Apple delivered that about a century ahead of schedule.
    10-05-2011 03:55 AM
  18. GekkoAce's Avatar
    Catch up??? If anyone thinks Apple aren't ahead other than having a best-in-class display, optimized dual-core processor, 8MP version of what was one of the best mobile cameras already AND the best supported app ecosystem, go and look at the Siri demo:



    You know how the computer works in Star Trek when they just talk at it? Yeah, Apple delivered that about a century ahead of schedule.
    But, now they have a year old design, a smaaaalll 3.5" display, no version of a start/home screen in iOS5, a workaround for a camera button (on unlock screen), same design possibly = continued antennagate issue, and still a huge problem with phones breaking when dropped...

    They are at a minimum even with the rest of the playing field now. The competition has a year to move fwd and ahead since Apple only has 1 design a year.
    10-05-2011 06:01 AM
  19. Pronk's Avatar
    1. Look at most mobile phone designs. Pretty similar, huh? The 4S may look a lot like the 4, but then the 4 is actually one of the most stand-out designs out there - and still is - so why ditch it for the sake of it? HTC had a year and came up with something that looks like a reheated Wildfire (Radar) and a black slab (Titan). The Omnia 7S looks like a galaxy S2, which also looks like a black slab. There's Apple and Nokia, and then everyone else is by and large variations on the same old theme.
    2. Not everyone wants a whopper of a screen (and resolution - and readability - is still king). Bigger isn't necessarily better. I'd rather have a pin-sharp 3.5 display than a grainy near-5 inch display.
    3. So? That's just a different UI design. You could equally complain e.g. WP7 has no folders.
    4. Loads of models don't have a dedicated camera button. At least there is now a shortcut - and ultimately it's quality of photos that counts, and I can tell you from experience the iP4 camera is outstanding so I expect this new version to be at least as good, but of course at higher resolution.
    5. This is changed - the antenna design is now the same for all models as the Verizon iP4 - and it's an effect I can replicate on my HTC Mozart and pretty much any other smartphone I've tried it with anyway (in fact, I even once got an Android fanboy to walk off in a huff after getting his Xperia Arc to drop from 4 bars to 0).
    6. Show me the phone that's indestructible.

    Again, I'm not ditching my WP7 phone. But let's not do this. For every criticism and shortcoming someone can find with the 4S, I can think of at least as many for WP7 phones. I just wish we could get to a state where people appreciate any decent product with exciting new features on merit rather than playing the silly "my XX is better than your XX" contest. I've seen that since I owned a ZX Spectrum and my neighbour had a Commodore 64, and the arguments are the same now as they ever were.

    The 4S is a great phone. Pretending it isn't will not stop that being true, but accepting it is doesn't make what you've got/prefer automatically worse either.
    10-05-2011 06:51 AM
  20. duke1231's Avatar
    Everyone can sit here and talk about isheep and the same design until the cows come home, but iphone is what it is, and regular everyday users want something that just works without having to wait for updates every few months. They just want to turn on their phone and go, and guess what, the iphone does that, and does it well. Apple's famous saying is very true weather you like it or not, "people like our phones, because IT JUST WORKS." Listen I can't stand the iphone, it's such a frickin' boring phone, but take my wife for instance. she can't stand my constant tech. talk. She doesn't even want to think about other platforms, because her phone is easy to understand, and it JUST WORKS. She is not stupid either, being a nurse she has to be on top of her game constantly. It's impressive watching her using that iphone, it's like an extension of her hand. Anyway that's what we are up against, and until MS's platform matures, and it will MS has an awsome team, they are young and full of idea's, and they listen to their customers. I think once MS feels their platform is where it needs to be on the market, they will start really pushing commercials, and until then, it's just going to be word of mouth for them.
    10-05-2011 06:51 AM
  21. Airanp's Avatar
    The thing is, people who love their iPhones don't care about whats inside, and that is obvious because they made a nice piece or hardward but no one is impressed because it looks the same. It is all appearances for them, how cool do I look, how cool will people think I am with this phone, will my friends be jealous and have to run out and upgrade too? It it was put into an new frame, it would have been the best thing on the planet.

    They are playing catch up on many points, the camera button, the voice thing, 8mp camera, dual core processors, etc. Other things they are ahead of the game. It is like that with every OS, some have this and that and some don't

    I could not go back to less than a 4" screen after rocking my Focus for almost a year now. 3.5", no matter how clear it is is just to small. They need at least a 4" screen on thier next model.

    But hey, at least they can send cards to all thier friends. How cool is that? (sarcasm intended)
    10-05-2011 09:01 AM
  22. Pronk's Avatar
    The thing is, people who love their iPhones don't care about whats inside, and that is obvious because they made a nice piece or hardward but no one is impressed because it looks the same. It is all appearances for them, how cool do I look, how cool will people think I am with this phone, will my friends be jealous and have to run out and upgrade too?
    Sorry (and not to pick on you, but I've had this three or four times today elsewhere too), but I've heard this particular bit of anti-Apple rubbish waaaay too many times. It's not true, and never has been. Some people might be attracted by image alone. Some. But a minority. Does anyone seriously think most or all of the millions of iOS device owners are just shallow, image-conscious suckers for a shiny box?

    Apple has customer satisfaction rates and loyalty/repeat purchase rates that any company - Microsoft, Google, Samsung, HTC, and Nokia - would kill for, across the board from all demographics. You don't get those just by making something that's all mouth and no trousers.

    As for the negativity in the press. Ask yourself this - do they make a fuss when HTC release yet another handset that looks largely like the last one? Or Samsung release yet another galaxy S2 variant? Nope. They speculate like crazy on Apple, and loads of people had iPhone 5 this and new shape that last week. And they were all wrong. Some of this negativity is just covering their tracks because Apple didn't ship what they thought they would, exposing them as the guessers they are, and the anti-Apple brigade are jumping on the bashing wagon while the bashing is good.

    Right now, I think they could have released a 1mm thick handset with a 5 week battery life, 50 megapixel camera, retina projector that displays the screen in your eye so it's equivalent to a 50-inch HD plasta TV and 4D interface that allows you to see through time and people would still be complaining about something. Whereas if Nokia had made the 4S and released it tomorrow with identical specs only with WP7 on it, other than the single factor of screen size spec-wise it would immediately be the flagship device for WP7 by miles. That's something worth bearing in mind.
    10-05-2011 09:54 AM
  23. Airanp's Avatar
    Sorry (and not to pick on you, but I've had this three or four times today elsewhere too), but I've heard this particular bit of anti-Apple rubbish waaaay too many times. It's not true, and never has been. Some people might be attracted by image alone. Some. But a minority. Does anyone seriously think most or all of the millions of iOS device owners are just shallow, image-conscious suckers for a shiny box?

    Apple has customer satisfaction rates and loyalty/repeat purchase rates that any company - Microsoft, Google, Samsung, HTC, and Nokia - would kill for, across the board from all demographics. You don't get those just by making something that's all mouth and no trousers.

    As for the negativity in the press. Ask yourself this - do they make a fuss when HTC release yet another handset that looks largely like the last one? Or Samsung release yet another galaxy S2 variant? Nope. They speculate like crazy on Apple, and loads of people had iPhone 5 this and new shape that last week. And they were all wrong. Some of this negativity is just covering their tracks because Apple didn't ship what they thought they would, exposing them as the guessers they are, and the anti-Apple brigade are jumping on the bashing wagon while the bashing is good.

    Right now, I think they could have released a 1mm thick handset with a 5 week battery life, 50 megapixel camera, retina projector that displays the screen in your eye so it's equivalent to a 50-inch HD plasta TV and 4D interface that allows you to see through time and people would still be complaining about something. Whereas if Nokia had made the 4S and released it tomorrow with identical specs only with WP7 on it, other than the single factor of screen size spec-wise it would immediately be the flagship device for WP7 by miles. That's something worth bearing in mind.


    Touche, I shouldn't have lumped all iPhone users into one group. Those that care about image only might be a minority as you say. But from what I have noticed, Apple is putting out a machine that is going to be a great phone, hardward wise at least, and I have noticed more disappointment then praise. It is basically a new phone in an old body but it seems many, many people are not satisfied. Everyone was expecting a new form factor, myself included as I was excited to see what they came out with.

    If they (Apple) step ahead of everyone else then people scramble around to meet or beat many of the things that Apple included. I believe competition is the best thing for everyone. If there were only one or two real choices for mobile OS's than innovation would slow as they would havve no one to beat. I support WP and it's obvious they have had an influence on Apple as they are using things that MS had on thier phones already.

    Apple is held to a high standard that no other manufacurers are held to. They are expected to be innovative or do things better than other people are doing them at the moment. They did not meet expectations this time around. They really didn't produce much that was innovative or better than the others.

    Siri is one of the things that they are putting out that no one has. MS has Tell Me but it is not the same. I for one don't feel like holding conversations with my phone or letting it make decisions for me. I also wonder why it is only available on the new models. Does that mean that the old models can't handle it with the current hardware? Maybe it's just a selling point that is inteded to get people to upgrade to the newest model. Besides Siri and the Greeting Card app thing, I didn't see much orginality or innovation to speak of.

    Plus, the people that really care about hardware specs are also in the minority. If they weren't than the phone wouldn't be receving a luke warm response. IMO, most people follow trends and that is part of the reason Apple is so successful. For example, the millions of soccer moms could care less about a dual core process, if they even know what that means, but want to have the phone their friends have and whats popular.

    Thanks for the non bashing response Pronk. I will think out my posts a little more before I make such generlizations.
    10-05-2011 11:20 AM
  24. Averry's Avatar
    I think if the iPhone 4s had been released in June....it wouldn't have been such a let down..


    But the fact that they took so long to put out such a seemingly minor upgrade is a bit head scratching.

    I laugh at that Siri promo, where the runner asks to set up a meeting at such a time, and Siri says the meeting is over booking the time slot.

    But if you were setting up the appointment in your phone yourself..you would have seen that. Just a bit illogical.

    I think Siri will have the same effect Kinect has. It is advertised easily, and it's cool, new age ish, and it will impress the non-technophobes to no end.

    Right now, Microsoft isnt' even in the conversation. I see my friends ask for phone suggestions on Facebook, and it's iPhone or "Droid."
    10-06-2011 12:05 AM
  25. siddfinch's Avatar
    Siri is going to have a bigger effect than Kinect -- it's a **** of a neat technology.

    Apple shot themselves in the foot, though, in incorporating it as an iPhone 4S-only feature. The Siri app has been in the app store for all iPhones running iOS4, and is now getting pulled for the release of the 4S.

    What does this say of Apple? They know they had to dangle a carrot for the new phone aside from hardware upgrades. They did it with the 3GS (video recording).

    The 4S is going to be a successful phone with great new hardware and an awesome feature set. Unfortunately, in my opinion, Apple got a little greedy by not just letting the new hardware speak for itself as an upgrade, and they held Siri out for the 4S only. Maybe a good business move to force some people over, but not a good PR move to existing iP4 owners.
    Last edited by SiddFinch; 10-07-2011 at 08:42 AM.
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