10-04-2012 10:53 AM
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  1. v10type-r's Avatar
    Well, after hearing how Tim Cook had to apologize for the fumble of the iOS6 Maps I find it hard to justify it if the Apple crowd doesn't demand more than just an apology and a "try other apps" solution from him..

    Seriously? If it had been Nokia, we'd have a $100 reimbursement for this blumber, yet Apple who makes so much money can only offer an apology and tell their users to try something else?

    terrible. just terrible.

    Nokia got blasted really hard for the "Ad-Gate", yet their camera has proven so far in the past challenges to be what it was set out to be from the beginning. It has shown that it wasn't a false promise to deliver a far more superior camera.

    Let's see... Apple for the iPhone 5 now has how many "gates"???? "Map-Gate", "Wifi-Gate", "Scratch-Gate", "Chipped-gate", "Leaking-light-Gate", "Battery-Gate", "Siri-Gate", "Rattle-Gate", "SimCard-Gate"????

    Best Quality, Best Reliability, Best OS, Best Nothing is more like it. I'm sorry, but with all these issues I can't say they can call themselves the best anymore. The media and the reviewers will always be biased here in North America since the majority are Apple Loyalists. I can't recall how many of them blasted Nokia for the "Ad-gate" there we so many, yet it seems that none of them are really calling out Apple for these pretty serious issues.

    "Worlds thinnest and lightest" phone shouldn't be allowed since you almost certainly have to put a case on it to protect it from ever scratching or chipping..

    If I was an Apple consumer I'd be completey appauled by this and seriously demand more from the company that takes a lot of my money for a "premium" product, they make a ton of money and can easily afford to "make things right" for their customers with their "Best Customer Service" and give them a credit for their troubles... Yet they can only issue an apology for the stunt(s) they just pulled.

    I'm glad I don't have iClouded judgement, otherwise I'd be all smiles wandering with my scratched, buggy almost dead phone lost in the middle of the desert without any service, but wait! there's cases of solar powered iPhone charging kits since they're obsolete now! I'm SAVED! Oh wait.. damn lightning connector.. oh well at least I'll have my earpods.
    Last edited by v10type-r; 09-28-2012 at 11:57 AM.
    09-28-2012 11:25 AM
  2. freestaterocker's Avatar
    You forgot Antennae-gate. But it's the "best" phone, so it doesn't matter how shtty it is. And you're holding it wrong.
    09-28-2012 12:01 PM
  3. v10type-r's Avatar
    Is there Antenna-gate with the iPhone 5 too? jeebus! I just confirmed it online.. yup.. Antenna-gate again.
    09-28-2012 12:08 PM
  4. alpinestars1z's Avatar
    At least they admitted something's wrong this time.
    09-28-2012 12:16 PM
  5. v10type-r's Avatar
    Yes, they admitted to it which is nice, considering what has happened in the past...

    But what about all the other "gates". There is no mention from them about those other issues which are pretty important.
    09-28-2012 12:28 PM
  6. GoodThings2Life's Avatar
    Let's see... Apple for the iPhone 5 now has how many "gates"???? "Map-Gate", "Wifi-Gate", "Scratch-Gate", "Chipped-gate", "Leaking-light-Gate", "Battery-Gate", "Siri-Gate", "Rattle-Gate", "SimCard-Gate"????
    I agree with every word you wrote, and I've read about a lot of the ones you list, but I'd love to know more about Rattle-Gate and SimCard-Gate... any reference links?
    09-28-2012 01:24 PM
  7. austrianball#IM's Avatar
    Do any of the other top phones (onex, GS3, L900) have so many issues? I know my 900's camera is a little less then I hoped for but no other problems.

    Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express
    09-28-2012 02:38 PM
  8. v10type-r's Avatar
    I agree with every word you wrote, and I've read about a lot of the ones you list, but I'd love to know more about Rattle-Gate and SimCard-Gate... any reference links?
    This is where I read the Rattle and Sim Card issues. Latter part of the slide show.

    iPhone 5 Problems: Users' Biggest Issues With Apple's New Handset
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    09-28-2012 02:43 PM
  9. crystal_planet's Avatar
    There are so many likes I need to give out in this thread, I don't know where to begin.

    If this was a BlackBerry, RIM would have been crucified.
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    09-28-2012 07:18 PM
  10. Luminatic's Avatar
    Wow, some german users have reporting recepction and call quality problems on the iPhone 5 (don't know if this problem is widespread though). Call quality issues (robotic sounding voices) were also reported in the apple forums. (https://discussions.apple.com/thread...art=0&tstart=0)

    What I'm wondering is: Why does a phone with quite a few issues still get such high marks in reviews? Do the reviewers only get handpicked devices with no issues (or fewer
    issues)? Are the reviewers just used to give an iDevide a good review? Are they punished by Apple if they give bad reviews, or maybe by some iFanatics? Or is just their preconception (When I say preconception, I mean reality distortion field) working well
    in them? Or is the time the reviewers can take to test the device just too short to notice some glitches? (That's why I like the phonedog 30 day challenge)

    I mean this question seriously. If I had to pay 729 Swiss Francs (that's how much the unlocked 16 GB Model costs in Switzerland) for a device, I would want it to work flawlessly - I would be forgiving some slight glitches which can be ironed out, but I certainly would't forgive bad call quality, purple photographs and subpar maps.

    IMHO, premium devices don't come out of the boxed scratched, they have good call reception (it's still a phone, after all) and call quality, and I want to take good pictures with it (I don't expect Nokia 808 goodness, but I don't want purple hues either).

    Can anyone enlighten me? I really don't get it.



    (Ouch. Read this forum entries. Battery not so good? Crashes? https://discussions.apple.com/thread...t=450&tstart=0 I mean, come ooooon! I just hope the soon-to-be-available WP8-Phones don't have that many issues!)
    Last edited by Luminatic; 09-29-2012 at 11:46 AM.
    09-29-2012 11:27 AM
  11. GoodThings2Life's Avatar
    I agree, and I really don't get it either, but Apple has always had this ridiculous "reality distortion field", and their users are so blinded by the popularity and hype.

    I mean if I buy a Lumia 920 and it ends up sucking, I'm gonna be really angry. I don't think I'll be disappointed since I've already had my hands on it and the evidence supports it favorably, but that's not the point. I have no problem pointing out the good and bad-- if it's factual.
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    09-29-2012 11:43 AM
  12. freestaterocker's Avatar
    Wow, some german users have reporting recepction and call quality problems on the iPhone 5 (don't know if this problem is widespread though). Call quality issues (robotic sounding voices) were also reported in the apple forums. (https://discussions.apple.com/thread...art=0&tstart=0)

    What I'm wondering is: Why does a phone with quite a few issues still get such high marks in reviews? Do the reviewers only get handpicked devices with no issues (or fewer
    issues)? Are the reviewers just used to give an iDevide a good review? Are they punished by Apple if they give bad reviews, or maybe by some iFanatics? Or is just their preconception (When I say preconception, I mean reality distortion field) working well
    in them? Or is the time the reviewers can take to test the device just too short to notice some glitches? (That's why I like the phonedog 30 day challenge)

    I mean this question seriously. If I had to pay 729 Swiss Francs (that's how much the unlocked 16 GB Model costs in Switzerland) for a device, I would want it to work flawlessly - I would be forgiving some slight glitches which can be ironed out, but I certainly would't forgive bad call quality, purple photographs and subpar maps.

    IMHO, premium devices don't come out of the boxed scratched, they have good call reception (it's still a phone, after all) and call quality, and I want to take good pictures with it (I don't expect Nokia 808 goodness, but I don't want purple hues either).

    Can anyone enlighten me? I really don't get it.
    It's the almighty iPhone, so it gets a pass, basically. I think the "iEffect" is starting to wear off, though... I don't really get it either.
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    09-29-2012 11:46 AM
  13. crystal_planet's Avatar
    It's really weird because all these symptoms are textbook of a rushed device. I could understand if the iPhone was part of a traditional ecosystem where the device was supplied by an outside source and then the os was tested on it.

    But it's not - everything is under one roof. The hardware guys work next to the software guys - no excuse.
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    09-29-2012 11:51 AM
  14. GoodThings2Life's Avatar
    Yeah, iEffect, iDistortion, iReality, whatever we call it is definitely going to wear off quick if Samsung and Nokia and HTC continue on the paths they're on.

    I love how history tends to repeat itself. Walled gardens like Apple always lose favor as choice presents itself.

    It's a big part of why so many analysts predict Apple's downfall over the next 3 years, and I'm predicting it as well. By the end of 2015, iPhone and iPad will be as irrelevant as Macs have been over the past 20 years. Every time Steve has "left" the company (being ousted and dying), the company lacks the vision and drive to maintain.
    09-29-2012 12:00 PM
  15. Luminatic's Avatar
    I mean if I buy a Lumia 920 and it ends up sucking, I'm gonna be really angry. I don't think I'll be disappointed since I've already had my hands on it and the evidence supports it favorably, but that's not the point. I have no problem pointing out the good and bad-- if it's factual.

    Same here. Facts are facts.
    09-29-2012 12:01 PM
  16. Luminatic's Avatar
    I''ve read Steve Jobs' authorized biography recently and can now understand better what he did for the company:


    • He liked and stood behind his procducts - that's why he was able to bring the enthusiasm across so well.
    • He wasn't driven by greed (as far as I can tell), he was driven by making good products.
    • He had a good sense about what the general public would like (maybe better then the general public itself).


    Last but not least, he was a perfectionist and could get really nasty towards people (employees) who delivered sub-par quality. This can have an immense influence on quality, folks ... there are employees who have to be kicked to deliver their best work. at my own job, I had, until one year ago, worked with a project manager who could get really nasty if his subortinates didn't deliver. Resulting in smooth, almost glitch-free project that made the project members and clients happy. He left, was replaced by a guy with a nice personality, but no sense of knowing whom to kick to bring out the best. Resulting in sub-par quality which sometimes ends up on productive systems (but sometimes not, thanks to some really nasty, but very efficient people in the testing department where I work).


    He's left big foot imprints to fill ... maybe too big for Mr. Cook? We'll see ...
    Last edited by Luminatic; 09-29-2012 at 06:22 PM.
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    09-29-2012 12:13 PM
  17. tomatoes11's Avatar
    Because they play on the stupidity of human perception very well. They know that to get high build quality scores they just need to use premium feeling materials, whether or not it is premium or not it doesn't matter, it just needs to feel the part.

    They know that the fancy 3D overhead maps would hide the fact that their real maps suck.

    They got the tech geeks this time by using the A6 even though they could have used the A5 again since IOS is so light that the A6 scales to 500 mhz occasionally.

    To be fair, the browser performance is quite impressive on the iphone 5 and Windows Phone plays on human perception quite a bit too with a lot of animation that hides the lag quite well. It works though, but as it stands,the only OS that proudly shows it's limitations and flaws is Android but it isn't the right move because it gets hit hard by the critics for being open and honest.
    09-29-2012 12:14 PM
  18. tomatoes11's Avatar
    It's really weird because all these symptoms are textbook of a rushed device. I could understand if the iPhone was part of a traditional ecosystem where the device was supplied by an outside source and then the os was tested on it.

    But it's not - everything is under one roof. The hardware guys work next to the software guys - no excuse.
    It was definitely rushed. They would have kept the mid October iphone 4s release date if they didn't feel that they needed to rush it. Looks like they could have uses that extra month.
    09-29-2012 12:18 PM
  19. jimski's Avatar
    Maybe Apple should take more than a year preparing for iPhone6. That timeline did not appear to work for the iPhone5.

    Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express Pro
    09-29-2012 12:25 PM
  20. GoodThings2Life's Avatar
    Stop giving them good advice, lol.
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    09-29-2012 01:43 PM
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    10-02-2012 04:33 PM
  22. GoodThings2Life's Avatar
    Hahahahahahahahaha! OMFG, are they serious?!

    I guess since it worked once, they might as well use the excuse again. And those pictures are pretty damning evidence.

    The sad part? Something else they can probably address with a software update, but they'll probably take 2-3 months to do it.

    Steve Jobs is rolling in his grave.
    10-02-2012 08:33 PM
  23. Luminatic's Avatar
    Oh man *shaking-head-in-disbelief*.

    I'll check all my mobile phone pictures I've ever taken (Mostly by Nokias, some by HTCs) and I'm sure I won't find any purple where it wasn't intended.
    10-03-2012 05:40 AM
  24. v10type-r's Avatar
    Wow, with all these "gates", its a miracle to me that there isn't more lash-back by iPhone 5 owners.. I'd be so pissed. Makes me even more upset when I see so many reviews saying how its the best device out there at the moment.

    My friend showed my his iPhone 5 last Sunday night, was pretty proud of it, but then he started to get a random line show up on his screen when texting, it would just come and go.. that's another one to ad to the pile.. "twitchy-random-pop up-lines-gate".

    Did they ever reach their 10 million? My iFriend was bragging about how the iPhone5 will sell over 10 million in the first week.. I haven't heard anything on that front for a while now..

    The time line went:

    1. iPhone 5 launch
    2. Pre-sale sold out
    3. Line ups at store and 5 million sold
    4. Apple states supply shortage due to demand
    5. Problem after Problem after Problem..
    6. No news at all..
    10-03-2012 10:24 AM
  25. v10type-r's Avatar
    Just read this comment someone had posted on a "wifi issue with the iPhone 5 article", this one was a report on someone who ran through 6gb of data in a week with his wifi on 80% of the time...

    Thought I'd share it since it made me chuckle a bit.. :)

    "I heard they were recalling all the iPhone 5's and replacing the Apple emblem on the back with a lemon.
    10-03-2012 10:29 AM
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