03-11-2015 12:32 AM
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  1. RJ Priest's Avatar
    Just wait for Windows 10....
    This is becoming the go-to excuse. While we have many reasons to be excited for Windows 10, skepticism is warranted. Windows Phone 7 was supposed to be the big game changer (remember the iPhone and Blackberry funeral procession held by the WP team?), then WP8, now Win10.

    I can only hope that with Windows 10, comes easy accessibility to purchase Microsoft devices (no carrier or country exclusive 'flagship' phones, devices, etc.)
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    03-09-2015 10:36 PM
  2. vineet_vpns12's Avatar
    Apple dominates in marketing. Nobody comes close. The know to get it out to first world countries as fast as they can. They know people love their products and want to be the first. They want to sell out to increase demand and make news in all these countries. Smart Watches have been out for a while, but Apple will re-invent it. Just like the tablet.

    I am an MS fan, however both Android and MS cannot challenge this behemoth now, even with better products.

    MS had this ability with the launch of Windows 95 - they spend about $200 million and The Rolling Stones and had a revolutionary product - and then they faded.

    The Band came out before the iWatch. It is half the price. Release it now. And not just in the US. Market it in the office - your Band will tell you how many steps you have taken at work (yes, on your Windows OS driven desktop or laptop). Have HR talk about health and fitness. Maybe a company will can use this info to reduce illness and long term disability at work by collecting data with employee agreement.

    I don't know.

    But MS needs to step up the marketing. Apple re-invents copy products products and makes them popular. MS - copy Apples marketing scheme.

    Mr. V
    +1
    03-10-2015 02:36 AM
  3. ajayden's Avatar
    Yes I do agree that Apple has that marketing power. I am also sure that they will be selling loads of Apple watches. However if we look at the specification of the Microsoft Band, one thing stands out.

    1) Microsoft band can be paired with any device, WindowsPhone, Android and iOS. This is a real advantage for the band, as the Apple watch can only be paired with iOS device. If Microsoft releases the band globally, they will also get a major chunk of the market, as we have seen that the band has sold very well in US.

    2) Next feature is the price point. Microsoft band sells at $199 compared to $349 for Apple watch. An average user would only need to see the time, have GPS, pedometer and heart rate monitor for most of the stuff.

    So even if there is no doubt that Apple will sell the watch in hundreds of thousands, Microsoft band still has a chance to sell a lot with the 2 features that stand out for the average user.
    03-10-2015 03:08 AM
  4. Jcmg62's Avatar
    Well, it'll be interesting to see how much potential market share MS loses due to not launching the band globally. In real terms, when the band was first announced about half a dozen of my gym mates were really excited about getting hold of one. They all use iphone, I'm the only windows phone user in the group. Its now been a few months with zero sign that the device is ever going to show up in the UK and the talk in the gym yesterday was very much about getting hold of the apple watch sport version. So there you have it, in a real world scenario MS have just lost 6 customers cause they seemingly can't figure out how to ship goods around the world. Maybe they need to headhunt someone from Amazon
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    03-10-2015 03:09 AM
  5. hotphil's Avatar
    If Microsoft releases the band globally, they will also get a major chunk of the market, as we have seen that the band has sold very well in US.
    To be fair, selling very well and selling out a very small inventory are different things. It's an emerging market and MS were only exploring it with the Band as an in-development product. They never pushed it, and the limited number of units available shows that. I wouldn't actually be surprised to see them go the other way and just trashcan it.
    03-10-2015 03:19 AM
  6. paulxxwall's Avatar
    There both different products . Ones a fitness band that tells time etc. The other is a smartwatch that has fitness capabilities. Ms needs a smartwatch and a fitness band . For casual times dinner, going to the club, wearing a nice suit, I wound not wear that ms band but the apple watch would look sweet especially that rose gold but would not sport that one while exercising either. But apple has sport editions . So apple may have a watch for just about everyone were ms did not go after looks with the band but its a band . Apple will sell more.
    03-10-2015 05:53 AM
  7. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    Microsoft didn't intend for this to be a device with wide appeal. It was just a demo of their sensor patents, in an attempt to get others to license it. They never expected the device to be this successful. Even if Microsoft had launched the Band in 9 countries, the forum would just be filled with complaints about being sold out internationally.

    The reason Microsoft is staying within the United States is a simple matter of supply. They still haven't managed to get the Band stocked consistently for its U.S. customers. An international rollout, should it ever occur, would wait until Microsoft can get a stable supply that meets the demand of American customers, plus the other countries.
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    03-10-2015 09:49 AM
  8. Visa Declined's Avatar
    Google is rumored to be preparing Android Wear to work with iPhone, which is something that many iPhone users are hoping for. The Moto 360 costs only $229 bucks right now.
    03-10-2015 11:35 AM
  9. mesamit's Avatar
    Microsoft doesn't know there is a world outside US. for example : Bing
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    03-10-2015 11:39 AM
  10. mikey2toes's Avatar
    Microsoft doesn't know there is a world outside US. for example : Bing
    Your right and ms need to stop releasing stuff just for us customer's and realize that there is more people out there that use there platform. I live in Ireland and there are less features here then in say India. We don't even have cortana ffs
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    03-10-2015 11:43 AM
  11. mkg3's Avatar
    Microsoft didn't intend for this to be a device with wide appeal. It was just a demo of their sensor patents, in an attempt to get others to license it.......
    Why do many of you say this as though you (all) have some great insight into MS strategy of Band. Is it rational and logical - perhaps but unless you have NDA in place - in which case you wouldn't be saying anything - would know what the real strategy is.

    Further, it is not mutually exclusive to have a hit product and license technology and provide service for the product.

    It just seems to me that you guys are just justifying poor performance by MS and trying to rationalize it as though there is an alternate big plan....
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    03-10-2015 11:57 AM
  12. dkediger's Avatar
    Maybe because Microsoft has stated, multiple times, what the situation is: a demonstration platform.

    That said, it is now time for MS to either fully embrace the Band themselves, or find an OEM to shovel it off to in order to give it a chance. The Cortana integration, as has been mentioned above, also likely has a large part to play. The recent updates are encouraging.

    I would suspect that closer to W10 release, MS' intentions to make the Band a first class citizen or not will become clearer.
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    03-10-2015 12:23 PM
  13. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    Why do many of you say this as though you (all) have some great insight into MS strategy of Band. Is it rational and logical - perhaps but unless you have NDA in place - in which case you wouldn't be saying anything - would know what the real strategy is.

    Further, it is not mutually exclusive to have a hit product and license technology and provide service for the product.

    It just seems to me that you guys are just justifying poor performance by MS and trying to rationalize it as though there is an alternate big plan....
    It would seem you're ignorant of the situation and attacking facts as assumptions without actually learning anything about the topic. It's been discussed and explained since shortly after the Band launched that the idea was to present the Band as a means of showing off the sensor tech Microsoft has. It's been brought up multiple times in articles on Windows Central. Anyone who even somewhat keeps tabs on the Band can figure this out really easily.

    On that middle part, I think there is a real level of disagreement here. Google manages to make its products work within a multi-manufacturer market because Google doesn't make the devices it slaps the "Nexus" tag on (instead letting several companies take turns making the devices). Apple has made itself a one-manufacturer ecosystem. Microsoft's holding 90%+ of the Windows Phone market because of the level of commitment to the ecosystem and the exclusive firmware features. The Surface has been the only true hybrid Windows device to experience widespread success, with everything else being from established brands from before Microsoft entered the game--and even those devices are convertible laptops, as opposed to true hybrid devices like the Surface.

    When a company makes the hardware and controls the ecosystem, it's logically difficult for competition to thrive. Unless the ecosystem developer's hardware is niche or generally crap, it will almost always make more sense to buy the comparably capable, comparably priced hardware from the company who knows the software better than anyone else. That's why it would be tough for the Band to both be a cost-effective, high-quality device, yet not seriously hurt the competition. If the FitBit Surge was to carry the same sensor tech as the Band, why would you pay $250 for a FitBit using the same tech as a $200 Band when the tech is FROM the Band manufacturer?
    03-10-2015 01:05 PM
  14. vineet_vpns12's Avatar
    Your right and ms need to stop releasing stuff just for us customer's and realize that there is more people out there that use there platform. I live in Ireland and there are less features here then in say India. We don't even have cortana ffs
    No Indian don't have Cortana , unless you change the region. Etc.
    03-10-2015 01:10 PM
  15. vineet_vpns12's Avatar
    Why do many of you say this as though you (all) have some great insight into MS strategy of Band. Is it rational and logical - perhaps but unless you have NDA in place - in which case you wouldn't be saying anything - would know what the real strategy is.

    Further, it is not mutually exclusive to have a hit product and license technology and provide service for the product.

    It just seems to me that you guys are just justifying poor performance by MS and trying to rationalize it as though there is an alternate big plan....
    I would only comment on the last three words of your about MS.
    "alternate big plan".. MS now don't have it, they had it months b4. (distribution of band w-wide).
    Now this opportunity has gone.
    .
    MS should have hold band like a diamond, bit they hold it as "sand",
    And no there is zero opportunity for them, as iwatch will fill that zone.
    03-10-2015 01:16 PM
  16. Harrie-S's Avatar
    No Indian don't have Cortana , unless you change the region. Etc.
    ???? India has local Cortana and you do not have to change your region, "only" language setting (English India) and speech English UK. See below for settings.http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/w...e-3fde582aecd4
    03-10-2015 01:18 PM
  17. vineet_vpns12's Avatar
    ???? India has local Cortana and you do not have to change your region, "only" language setting (English India) and speech English UK. See below for settings.http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/w...e-3fde582aecd4
    Wanted to say the same, typed mistakenly , but yea, India dont have it, unless u change the language to u.k eng, but I don't consider it as a pure Indian, as in china the set everything of Chinese.... So v are still adjusting.
    Like Dutch France Italy have local settings for local Cortana, but some still adjusting with other countries language.
    03-10-2015 01:28 PM
  18. vineet_vpns12's Avatar
    ???? India has local Cortana and you do not have to change your region, "only" language setting (English India) and speech English UK. See below for settings.http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/w...e-3fde582aecd4
    2. Plus u.k version Cortana isn't that amazing as u.s, it sounds like a bit more robotic.
    03-10-2015 01:32 PM
  19. Protocol Rahul's Avatar
    What about the Surface line of products(well pro and RT)? How many countries it has been selling in since its launch? I bet not many. I waited and waited for them to launch pro, pro 2, pro3 nothing and finally settled for HP. Ok there could be a perfect reasoning behind this decision but still, brand surface isn't known from where I am. (Similarly the Xbox music subscription, Xbox video)
    Right now in India all I see them is promoting lumia 535, what about rest of the phones? 6xx, 73x and 830 and 930 are completely unheard of. At least when the x20 series was launched, I saw people with 720s,820s,especially 520s and 920s. But now nothing. I don't know what is up with companies(US) limiting their distribution, especially Microsoft, which in my opinion cannot afford to. I had convinced my friend to buy a lumia, a 535, but with the touch screen issues and what not, he changed his decision (since it was his first time buying a smartphone.) I know there are many first time users or fed up android users who want to try out windows/Microsoft but because of high influence by android and ios and so many other options, one simply forgets/ignores Nokia/Microsoft. Heck, even today a guy asked me why I purchased windows phone, my reply, I wanted something different, beautiful and so on.. He nodded and moved on. Perception! Perception! Perception! Until this is changed, nothing is going to benefit Microsoft.
    03-10-2015 01:48 PM
  20. Robinsonmac's Avatar
    MS plans or intentions are all well & good if you're a market leader, they are not but continue to act and make decisions like they are. All the while they are losing market share & more importantly "MIND SHARE" Even if it is a demo platform, etc. they need to get it in as many consumers hands as possible to keep MS & their products relevant with consumers. I just don't know how a mutli-national, multi-billion dollar company does not understand this. They can have all the best products but if no-one can buy them & you don't have consumers mind share it doesn't matter in the least how great your product is, it will fail. I guess when you're so used to be the market leader and doing things a certain way it's hard to change the culture of such a large corporation. They need to learn fast or they will need to retreat to the enterprise sector like IBM.....
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    03-10-2015 02:12 PM
  21. neo158's Avatar
    Ok guys get real. MS cant keep the band in stock in the US. Even if they launched it globally it wouldn't be available
    If Microsoft wanted to then they could produce it on the scale they did with the Surface RT, the difference is that where people didn't want the Surface RT they do want the Band. Even MJF stated that the lack of stock for the Band is Microsoft being overly cautious after the Surface write down, which is ridiculous as people actually want to buy it.
    Last edited by neo158; 03-10-2015 at 05:04 PM.
    03-10-2015 02:17 PM
  22. vineet_vpns12's Avatar
    What about the Surface line of products(well pro and RT)? How many countries it has been selling in since its launch? I bet not many. I waited and waited for them to launch pro, pro 2, pro3 nothing and finally settled for HP. Ok there could be a perfect reasoning behind this decision but still, brand surface isn't known from where I am. (Similarly the Xbox music subscription, Xbox video)
    Right now in India all I see them is promoting lumia 535, what about rest of the phones? 6xx, 73x and 830 and 930 are completely unheard of. At least when the x20 series was launched, I saw people with 720s,820s,especially 520s and 920s. But now nothing. I don't know what is up with companies(US) limiting their distribution, especially Microsoft, which in my opinion cannot afford to. I had convinced my friend to buy a lumia, a 535, but with the touch screen issues and what not, he changed his decision (since it was his first time buying a smartphone.) I know there are many first time users or fed up android users who want to try out windows/Microsoft but because of high influence by android and ios and so many other options, one simply forgets/ignores Nokia/Microsoft. Heck, even today a guy asked me why I purchased windows phone, my reply, I wanted something different, beautiful and so on.. He nodded and moved on. Perception! Perception! Perception! Until this is changed, nothing is going to benefit Microsoft.
    +1lakh bhai.
    03-10-2015 02:20 PM
  23. SRK62's Avatar
    MS and Apple and all companies from US and all profits goes to US. There is no competition between them. So why do you argue.
    After last customer choice is last.
    Nothing to do anything...
    03-10-2015 02:23 PM
  24. vineet_vpns12's Avatar
    I even read somewhere, that shopkeepers aren't selling Lumia due to their or market reason,
    But now consumer wanna buy band, Estore/retailer store wanna buy/sell but MS is not willing to sell.
    03-10-2015 02:26 PM
  25. vineet_vpns12's Avatar
    MS and Apple and all companies from US and all profits goes to US. There is no competition between them. So why do you argue.
    After last customer choice is last.
    Nothing to do anything...
    Yeah! They all are like brothers , that's y they files patent infringement cases against one another in the court. Correct mate correct.
    03-10-2015 02:28 PM
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