10-05-2015 08:50 PM
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  1. Indistinguishable's Avatar
    The latest article from Windows Central with some new renders is now edited to say that the 950 and 950 XL will actually have on screen keys instead of capacitive... Our Lumia 950 XL (Cityman) renders show what could be Microsoft's upcoming phone | Windows Central

    Rubino again stated it in a tweet.

    To me, this is disappointing on so many levels. I get the argument for a smaller bezel due to no off screen buttons. But capacitive buttons scream high end. On screen screams unreliable and cheap. That's my opinion. I would pay more capacitive if that's what it came down to. Anyone else?
    07-25-2015 12:33 PM
  2. RumoredNow's Avatar
    That is a bummer, but aren't they making On Screen keys smarter in 10? I also know that double-tap-to-sleep only works with onscreen and not capacitive.
    07-25-2015 12:38 PM
  3. Ed Boland's Avatar
    I don't think on screen keys scream "unreliable or cheap" at all. In fact, software keys would be more reliable, as hardware buttons can wear out over time. (Like the Cortana/search button on my 1520 has started having a mind of it's own lately, and launches Cortana randomly) Software buttons can also be updated and programmed with added functionality. Add the smaller bezel advantage, and it's clear; hardware capacitive buttons are becoming a thing of the past.
    07-25-2015 01:12 PM
  4. the_thunderbird's Avatar
    I agree with Ed. At first I was disappointed this morning but then I just realized I was unfamiliar with it so had resistant feelings.

    On further reflection I appreciated the larger available screen real estate, and I have had two phones replaced as a result of their buttons - never had a digital one die!
    07-25-2015 04:12 PM
  5. Indistinguishable's Avatar
    I don't think on screen keys scream "unreliable or cheap" at all. In fact, software keys would be more reliable, as hardware buttons can wear out over time.
    I had an HTC Trophy, a Lumia 822, and now a Lumia Icon. None of them have ever even shown remote signs of capacative button wear. I also haven't seen many reports of it on this forum. That must be an extremely rare occurrence.


    Software buttons can also be updated and programmed with added functionality.
    You can program and update functionality to hardware buttons too. It's more work, but it's doable. And as a result, they're more stable and predictable.


    Add the smaller bezel advantage
    This is really the only clear advantage, in my opinion.


    hardware capacitive buttons are becoming a thing of the past.
    This might be true. I'll probably just have to deal with it.
    07-25-2015 06:57 PM
  6. xandros9's Avatar
    Well, its a trend in most phones, like the HTC One M8, Nexus phones, Moto X...

    Honestly, I'd like them because then the backlit keys won't blind me at night.
    07-26-2015 05:14 PM
  7. dakken's Avatar
    If the keys are gonna be onscreen why not just give us a full 6 inch screen?

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    07-26-2015 11:11 PM
  8. Angry_Mushroom's Avatar
    I very much disagree that onscreen buttons make for a cheap and "unreliable" experience. After having changed over to my G3, I've gotten wonderful features such as minimal bezels, buttons that can be rearranged, and that's really about it. It's honestly not as earth shattering as everyone is making it out to be. The buttons are still under glass, they don't depress, and largely are on the same side.

    sooo... yeah. On screen buttons are quite convenient, don't cheap the feel of the experience, and shouldn't be shunned.
    07-27-2015 03:45 AM
  9. Alfa Kapa's Avatar
    With every single recent WP (except 532/435) having on screen buttons, this was expected.

    One ''good'' thing with o.s.b. on flagships is that more apps will take advantage of them, just like tubecast did with the super useful back button on the top left!
    So on screen buttons are just fine by me. (and double tap to sleep is actually very useful)

    I only like regular (old school) buttons as they don't bring along all the disadvantages of capacitive or on screen buttons,
    but I guess no manufacturer will carry those buttons in the post 2016 era, because of reasons.
    07-27-2015 03:50 AM
  10. Qtweeder's Avatar
    recently bought my elderly father a lumia 435, wanted an entry level type device, his first windows phone (he still had 1st gen iphone - without app ability!), i was going to go for a "better" model, but they all had mostly software buttons

    knowing how when something disappears when the screen goes off would just confuse him more, decided that capacitive buttons, crazily, was to become almost the number 1 feature, so 435 it was, if the 630 had hard buttons, he would now own that, or something similar.

    now he can join the world of apps and communicate with us via whatsapp, but i think i agree with others, hardware buttons shouldn't be done away with, for many reasons. - and make them ALL light up microsoft! was disappointed that 435 are just painted on, not backlit which i thought!
    07-27-2015 05:58 AM
  11. jlzimmerman's Avatar
    To me, this is disappointing on so many levels. I get the argument for a smaller bezel due to no off screen buttons. But capacitive buttons scream high end. On screen screams unreliable and cheap. That's my opinion. I would pay more capacitive if that's what it came down to. Anyone else?
    If I could Like this post 15 times I would. In addition, on screen buttons just shorten your screen length. Yeah, you get full screen viewing during games and media but the rest of the time that 4.5 inch screen is actually something like 4.3. It blows.
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    07-27-2015 08:05 AM
  12. Chris_Kez's Avatar
    Can't the buttons auto-hide so you always have the extra pixels unless you're actively using the buttons?
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    07-27-2015 08:18 AM
  13. distilledoreo's Avatar
    One thing that always happens with the capacitive buttons on my 925 is accidental presses. Now, I don't mean the kind where you're using your phone and Cortana accidentally pops up. When I give my phone to someone else (usually someone older) to show them a video or picture on my phone, they hold the phone by the top and bottom bezel. I have no idea why they do it, but then they end up in a totally different place and have to hand the phone back to me. With onscreen buttons, this probably wouldn't be an issue because they know not to put their hands on the screen. Also, when I had a Nexus 4, I made it so the navigation buttons were always hidden and were used with gestures instead. The phone looked so nice and clean after that. In addition to that, the Lumia clearblack displays (if that's what it's called) will make the phone look very clean and sleek when the screen is off.
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    07-27-2015 08:27 AM
  14. Indistinguishable's Avatar
    With onscreen buttons, this probably wouldn't be an issue because they know not to put their hands on the screen.
    I'm not sure about that...

    The phone looked so nice and clean after that.
    I think the phone looks nice and clean with my beautiful back button, Windows button, and designated Cortana button.
    07-27-2015 09:46 AM
  15. realwarder's Avatar
    830 capacitive keys are the WORST ever. You can't even use a screen cover or Search button stops working.
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    07-27-2015 09:46 AM
  16. someone2639's Avatar
    I remember a Sony phone I saw a while back with a separate minidisplay for the capacitive keys. I think the OnePlus models do that as well. That would be cool
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    07-27-2015 09:51 AM
  17. Indistinguishable's Avatar
    830 capacitive keys are the WORST ever. You can't even use a screen cover or Search button stops working.
    That's odd... Are you sure your screen protector is on correct?

    I never use a screen protector because Lumia's are typically fine without it. Unless you're in the sand a lot or something like that.
    07-27-2015 09:52 AM
  18. realwarder's Avatar
    That's odd... Are you sure your screen protector is on correct?

    I never use a screen protector because Lumia's are typically fine without it. Unless you're in the sand a lot or something like that.
    Oh yes. The button barely works with a finger alone - we don't use a protector because of this.

    My wife's 830 is the same.

    And neither of our 920's ever had this problem.
    07-27-2015 09:54 AM
  19. TechFreak1's Avatar
    Well there are advantages to this:
    1. More screen real estate when keys not in use
    2. You don't get blinded by the capacitive keys when you unlock your phone in the dark
    3. No more accidental back or search key presses when playing games
    4. Possibility of increasing / decreasing the on screen key sizes
    5. Possibility of key mapping or changing the icons of keys (in case some OEM's use non-standard on-screen keys)


    On the flipside there are of course disadvantages:
    1. Loss of screen real estate when in use
    2. No more blinking led when charging
    3. No more possibility of having coloured keys matching your accent
    4. No more possibility of using the windows logo as a notification led thus requiring a separate notification LED
    5. It would be impossible to tell if your phone has completely locked up (frozen screen) or not, as pressing the capacitive keys you get vibration feedback if not fully locked up.


    Never the less this doesn't completely rule out other OEM's using capacitive keys.

    Personally I'd prefer smart capacitive keys with properly calibrated touch sensitivity, i.e when I'm playing games the o/s would know that my hand is rested and not pressing the keys. However when I press the keys it would preform the required action of said key press. This is possible, as software is extremely malleable and it may need a slightly larger, secondary proximity sensor under the capacitive keys.
    07-27-2015 10:01 AM
  20. realwarder's Avatar
    I actually prefer screen keys too - on my 920 I was always hitting the buttons in a game and leaving it. While OS updates improved that over time, screen keys that vanish when in a game are good as you don't accidentally hit the buttons. And in a video too. I remember the 920 ones glowing while watching a movie - I know they could physically dim but the refinement of doing that wasn't implemented from the video player. Screen buttons are easily hidden.
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    07-27-2015 10:03 AM
  21. gpobernardo's Avatar
    The first thing that entered my mind's eye after reading the title was Tactus Technology - the thing where buttons "magically appear" on the screen of the phone based on what is displayed on the phone. The last time I read about this in detail was four or five years ago (I was able to paste the link to it in an earlier part of this paragraph, but I haven't re-read about it now). I don't know how compatible that technology would be with our ever hardening screens though... and with Swipe.
    07-27-2015 11:14 AM
  22. RumoredNow's Avatar
    That's odd... Are you sure your screen protector is on correct?
    Yep.It's a known issue with Lumia 830.
    07-27-2015 12:35 PM
  23. vespernova7's Avatar
    I take issues with your disadvantages, sir. I own both Lumia 1520 and a HTC M8 for windows phone and I find...
    2. no more blinking led when charging - my HTC has a separate led light for notifications in the speaker grill it always comes on when charging. I have no light when charging my L1520
    3. No more possibility of having coloured keys matching your accent - never happed with L1520 always white, on my M8 I can set the OSK for always dark, match background, match accent
    4. No more possibility of using the windows logo as a notification led thus requiring a separate notification LED - also never happened hence number 2
    5. It would be impossible to tell if your phone has completely locked up (frozen screen) or not, as pressing the capacitive keys you get vibration feedback if not fully locked up - OSK supports vibration when with key press.
    while I still like have capacitive keys, I can't deny that OSK are useful and I feel that if your going to state the advantages and disadvantages that you should have your facts straight. there is also a unlisted advantage in where the OEM don't have to make a separate phone for windows software hence the savings in time and cost for manufacture.
    07-27-2015 02:17 PM
  24. MOHAMED AL-KAHAFJI's Avatar
    I hate on screen keys -_-
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    07-27-2015 06:31 PM
  25. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    God please no. I am adjusting to them on the 640/xl but I was hoping to not have to deal with them om flagships
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    07-27-2015 06:45 PM
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