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  1. noirsoft's Avatar
    I don't know the technical details of why the 950XL does not do VVM, but AT&T definitely has the ability and a history of arbitrarily restricting phones from using VVM. FOr example: I originally bought a Lumia 520 as part of the Go Phone program and it had VVM enabled, but when I took the exact same phone and used a regular AT&T SIM in it, they would not support VVM. So, your assertion that AT&T ha "nothing" to do with the availability of VVM is generally false.
    12-25-2015 04:36 AM
  2. 497362's Avatar
    Maybe the universe is just against you. again. Its terrible how it does that. The injustice!
    12-25-2015 04:54 AM
  3. Pathum Wijayasooriya's Avatar
    Best thing you could do now is to move to another platform. There are some of us who are totally satisfied with the W10 implementation even in the beta format. I'm using it on my trusty 920 and there are next to no bugs now. Move onto another platform of your choice my friend...
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    12-25-2015 09:28 AM
  4. Zebbie's Avatar
    Strang that there are so many problems with the 950 and 950XL.

    W10 works like a charm on my and my wife 930...fast,no bugs,no restarts or reboots even not apps hanging or closing...only battery life is a little less.

    Seems really a problem with the 950 and XL and not the platform.

    Maybe bad batches or so because other 950 users have less or none problems?
    12-25-2015 10:24 AM
  5. jhoff80's Avatar
    So, your assertion that AT&T ha "nothing" to do with the availability of VVM is generally false.
    AT&T has to provision the account for visual voicemail in general for it to work, and there are definitely backend things that can be at fault. But I'm not talking about visual voicemail in general, I'm talking about visual voicemail with this very specific device / problem. The only reason that the unlocked 950 and the unlocked 950XL do not support VVM is because they are dual-SIM.
    12-25-2015 11:56 AM
  6. Ben Schmidt1's Avatar
    Am I one of the few that likes the new button placement on the xl? Screenshots haven't been easier to take.
    12-25-2015 12:58 PM
  7. Pappa Ed's Avatar
    I literally have none of the issues you have stated...
    And the ones that's that aren't software issues like the button placement? I actually like it...
    Also, use Facebook Beta, much better than the "Facebook" app.
    The new button placement is great for one finger screen shots. I'll admit it took a few minutes to get used to but now that I have, I'm fine with it. I agree with the Facebook app. POS.

    My experience with my unit has been over all positive. Best phone I've owned to date with my 1520 as a close second.
    12-25-2015 01:00 PM
  8. Petru Moldovan's Avatar
    Strang that there are so many problems with the 950 and 950XL.

    W10 works like a charm on my and my wife 930...fast,no bugs,no restarts or reboots even not apps hanging or closing...only battery life is a little less.

    Seems really a problem with the 950 and XL and not the platform.

    Maybe bad batches or so because other 950 users have less or none problems?
    Yes, it used to work like crap, but with the new firmware and latest insider build it works like a charm. This is the software for public use, not the one in the box, which is offending the non-tech guys.
    12-25-2015 02:41 PM
  9. bulutsuzgece's Avatar
    I think none of MS team members are using their own brand Lumia!. They're all using iphone on their daily-drive. Lumia devices are only test devices for them while they're at the office. Because of this silliness, every build/update has many different bugs and developing process is very slow. They should be blind not to see how the OS is in a mess. I dont expect anything till the end of 2016. May be their "Surface Phone" will change some things and the OS will have been a little better by then (Q32016).
    I decided to swith to droid and use it until W10M really finished.
    CraigCole likes this.
    12-25-2015 04:26 PM
  10. vucben99's Avatar
    So true...Sadly...
    12-25-2015 05:40 PM
  11. ronaldme's Avatar
    Am I one of the few that likes the new button placement on the xl? Screenshots haven't been easier to take.

    And soft reset too
    12-25-2015 05:53 PM
  12. mayconvert's Avatar
    Hi there.

    If you've been reading around, you may have realised that not everyone's experience of the 950XL is bad. However, the people who don't like it or are having issues seem to think it's the worst thing that's ever been released by Microsoft.

    Facebook is being re-written from the ground up and we're hoping to see something significantly better in the near future. Having said that, I don't really do Facebook as I don't really like seeing what my friends cat has vomited up lately...

    Yeah, rebooting phones is a fairly common occurrence to clear blocked processes, especially after an upgrade process, it's not really all that new. As you've mentioned "four releases", you're probably entered yourself into the fast ring, so you need to take a little more rough with your smooth there (being in software development yourself, you know that the first QA builds aren't the best). We're also first adopters of this new wave of hardware/software. You know how that goes as well.

    However, in your last statement, you're closer to the truth than you realise. Microsoft did indeed let go of an awful lot of great (ex-Nokia) people in the middle of development for these handsets (950 and 950XL). We're paying the price for that, but given those circumstances, Microsoft has (in my opinion) released an amazing device that will get only better over time (like the Xbox One went from awesome to even more awesome on an almost monthly basis).

    But, you're probably right and better off buying an Android or an Apple device. Apparently they're fantastic and never go wrong.
    I would like to say that you saying Rebooting phones is common is completely wrong and very bad information. There are a lot of tech ignorant people out there that come here looking for info. they see your name green and labeled MODERATOR and they think "this guys must know what he's talking about". "My phone rebooting 6 times a day must be ok, there is nothing wrong with my phone, rebooting is "normal" ....

    No it is NOT. I have several different phones and NONE of them reboot on their own. I think I have seen that happen 2-3 times in the last 4 YEARS on Android and iPhones.. Even my Nokia 1520 and 640 don't reboot on their own for no reason (on 8.1 OS)
    So 2-3 times per DAY is giving people bad information. Giving information like that is why people end up keeping a bad device for more than 14 days where they are stuck with it for 2 years or obligated to pay $30 a month for the next 24-30 months.

    Reboots may be more common if you are on beta software but the Lumia 950/XL released with non beta software. If the released version is rebooting regularly, then the OS is garbage or the phone is defective and should be returned before the 14 day return period is up.
    12-25-2015 07:58 PM
  13. bucfan11's Avatar
    Not sure where or when the term "Windows Fan" came into play, meaning in the context sense "we must now be willing to put up with idiosyncrasy otherwise the platform is not for you, when I came back on-board in late 2012 Im pretty sure that was not the sediment nor was it in the early stages of W10Ms evolving.




    And therein lies the problem, MS keeps changing the game to such a degree that the die-hard Windows Fans of the past are getting the short end of the stick and we're expected to "grin and bear it" or leave. Out of the four major players look who has been in the mobile OS business the longest, 2000(1996), and tell me it has progressed well. In my opinion W8.1 seemed to be the most promising with a favorable outlook for the WP platform, then MS dropped it like a lead balloon, sure W10M may be the next best thing but who's to say that won't come to an end in another 6 months, past history tells a story does it not?
    W8.1 is the best mobile OS available, I think it is far better than iOS or android and a lot of people agree. W8.1 helped the platform grow exactly none at best, so it was not working. I do believe W10 will be the last reboot of mobile, it'll either work or MS will abandon phones.
    12-25-2015 08:00 PM
  14. cracgor's Avatar
    I returned two 950xl's and a SP4. Just too many bugs and missing basic work features. I have a SP3 that is way more stable and will wait to see if Microsoft makes the necessary improvements. I am familiar with new OS's and the bugs that need to be ironed out. Some of the shortcomings I can deal with but not being able to sync tasks and open my work spreadsheets is a deal breaker for me. I also don't like the fact that when using the smallest text size setting the calendar view options change which makes the phone something different. Much of it I like but it is not worth $650 in its current state. I am cheering for Microsoft and hope that WM10 becomes what it needs to be.

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
    The number of problems with the SP4 line makes me wonder if there is a general problem with quality control at Microsoft these days.
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    12-25-2015 10:10 PM
  15. cracgor's Avatar
    Are you saying Microsoft should publish literature for the consumer that relates to how AT&T should provision a 950XL?
    It isn't my "logic" that concludes that AT&T isn't properly supporting the unbranded IMEI's. It's actually a fact. Temporary, I believe.

    I admire your thorough posts and your elegant vocabulary. But stating that my post is "less than relevant" is a bit reaching.
    It is really just that the 950xl is dual sim and is not supported with VVM. This is published by Microsoft already.
    12-25-2015 10:11 PM
  16. Draganta's Avatar
    I feel you bro! I was the biggest WIndows Phone fanboy there was, I converted 5 people to WP, but there is a limit to everything. I have switched to Apple a few weeks ago, and I can't explain to you how glad I am. Stuff works for a change now! Facebook app is heavenly!

    W8.1 is the best mobile OS available, I think it is far better than iOS or android and a lot of people agree. W8.1 helped the platform grow exactly none at best, so it was not working. I do believe W10 will be the last reboot of mobile, it'll either work or MS will abandon phones.
    As a iOS user now I have to agree with you completely. WP is a killer OS, but the issue here is the support and apps :(
    bradm77, mayconvert and CraigCole like this.
    12-26-2015 06:07 AM
  17. bradm77's Avatar
    I feel you bro! I was the biggest WIndows Phone fanboy there was, I converted 5 people to WP, but there is a limit to everything. I have switched to Apple a few weeks ago, and I can't explain to you how glad I am. Stuff works for a change now! Facebook app is heavenly!



    As a iOS user now I have to agree with you completely. WP is a killer OS, but the issue here is the support and apps :(
    I moved to IOS as well (after years of swearing that I would never, EVER purchase an Apple device). I'd love to come back to MSFT some day, but they have to give people a reason to use their mobile OS, and I don't see any valid reasons right now with these 2 new ugly, clunker phones that they dropped on the market when they clearly are NOT "ready for prime time".
    12-26-2015 07:50 AM
  18. David Laroche's Avatar
    Hmmm. Let me start that I have an Lumia 521. It's cheap and I know it, but it does what I need. HOWEVER, no person should have to constantly 'reboot' to clear a bad app. I own an iOS iPad and rarely (I mean rarely) need to shut down and restart to clear a bad app. MS needs to get these issues straight if they plan on putting out good product.
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    12-26-2015 08:02 AM
  19. chasvs's Avatar
    Hi there.

    If you've been reading around, you may have realised that not everyone's experience of the 950XL is bad. However, the people who don't like it or are having issues seem to think it's the worst thing that's ever been released by Microsoft.

    Facebook is being re-written from the ground up and we're hoping to see something significantly better in the near future. Having said that, I don't really do Facebook as I don't really like seeing what my friends cat has vomited up lately...

    Yeah, rebooting phones is a fairly common occurrence to clear blocked processes, especially after an upgrade process, it's not really all that new. As you've mentioned "four releases", you're probably entered yourself into the fast ring, so you need to take a little more rough with your smooth there (being in software development yourself, you know that the first QA builds aren't the best). We're also first adopters of this new wave of hardware/software. You know how that goes as well.

    However, in your last statement, you're closer to the truth than you realise. Microsoft did indeed let go of an awful lot of great (ex-Nokia) people in the middle of development for these handsets (950 and 950XL). We're paying the price for that, but given those circumstances, Microsoft has (in my opinion) released an amazing device that will get only better over time (like the Xbox One went from awesome to even more awesome on an almost monthly basis).

    But, you're probably right and better off buying an Android or an Apple device. Apparently they're fantastic and never go wrong.
    Much better response than I was able to come up with! I agree 100%!
    12-26-2015 09:52 AM
  20. chasvs's Avatar
    Stop with the BS. It's NOT a Beta device.
    12-26-2015 09:53 AM
  21. chasvs's Avatar
    Hmmm. Let me start that I have an Lumia 521. It's cheap and I know it, but it does what I need. HOWEVER, no person should have to constantly 'reboot' to clear a bad app. I own an iOS iPad and rarely (I mean rarely) need to shut down and restart to clear a bad app. MS needs to get these issues straight if they plan on putting out good product.
    Well I doubt anyone is really having to constantly reboot to blear a bad app..... Just saying, there's a lot a hyperbole being thrown around these days.
    12-26-2015 09:55 AM
  22. explosive0's Avatar
    Microsoft is listening. They are watching what is submitted to them via the Windows feedback app on your phone. No one at Microsoft is browsing Windows Central forums looking for people's complaining posts.
    Wrong, actually. I made a post a little over a year ago on here about my experience at a local MS store. MS reached out to me regarding the issue. They definitely troll the forums reading posts about them.
    12-26-2015 11:30 AM
  23. slivy58's Avatar
    Well I doubt anyone is really having to constantly reboot to blear a bad app..... Just saying, there's a lot a hyperbole being thrown around these days.
    That's an unfair assumption, it is like me saying those having great success are exaggerating which I do not think is the case, seeing too much "inconsistency" in W10M and W10 desktop and that is why there is such a varying degree of success/fails, it does comes down to personal perception too, I can tell you that my experiences have been far from stellar which is a far cry from what I am use too, guaranteed no hyperbole here nor is it a figment on my imagination.

    Have a bit of everything and if the truth be told, I cannot remember the last time my Android, IOS devices needed a reboot to resolve an issue, shoot, even my WPs, PCs and Windows tablets ran fine on their previous OSs (Win7/8.1) right from the get-go, no not ever perfect as nothing is but immensely better than the experiences so far with W10M/W10... Sure things are slowly getting better yet the FIRST impression has already been tarnished.
    Last edited by Elky64; 12-26-2015 at 11:53 AM.
    12-26-2015 11:36 AM
  24. Tonytoronto2015's Avatar
    I find it ridiculous that so many people immediately assume that just because someone is posting about problems in a discussion forum (you know, to discuss them) that they haven't already posted in the Feedback app. Some of these bugs have been reported months ago, with hundreds of upvotes, with no improvement whatsoever.



    Herein lies the real problem. The majority of them have already BEEN fired. One of Nadella's first big moves was to drastically downscale QA and testing departments in favor of the actual programmers who are working on it doing their own testing. It's one of those financial things that looks good on paper but we're suffering through the downside of it now. It leads to internal biases ('nobody will use that feature that way!') and potential time management issues (how much time do you spend on testing vs programming?), not to mention that testing and development are two different skillsets in the first place.

    Sure, now Microsoft has a lot more external users (Windows Insiders) testing, but we don't have access to the same kinds of toolsets that an internal tester might have, besides the problem of a drastically lower signal to noise ratio that the Feedback app exhibits (in comparison to internal testing).
    Great point, and they added even more to it by concentrating even more resources into developing apps for IOS and Android, and almost abandoning they own O/S. Many apps we have are half baked solutions, many are absolute garbage when compared to other O/S, including 8.1
    Perfect example Cortana, its garbage on WM10, its been getting worst.. They dedicated so many resources to have ios and android versions going, they pretty much left wm10 alone, bugs that existed months ago still exist, they introduce new bugs with every new release. They have killed the windows mobile platform. At least for me they did, proud owner of a new android phone-- that WORKS out of the box, no reboots, no hard resets to get it going and as a bonus, the marshmallow update looks like WM. And icing on the cake; the office apps work better than they ever did on WM.
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    12-26-2015 12:10 PM
  25. garyhartaz's Avatar
    Gary, You are not upset at all that HERE suite of apps is gone? Or no double tap yo wake?
    The double tap to wake is part of the button issue IMHO. I wouldn't care about the power button being in between the volume up and down if I could just double tap to wake. Another horrible oversight.
    12-26-2015 05:30 PM
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