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  1. smoledman's Avatar
    Why do people keep pushing that Microsoft needs to be saved?


    And... no future? Seriously? If you think they have no future, go get a Mac and another phone. Wouldn't want to be stuck on a platform made by a company with "no future".
    Which is exactly what millions of people are doing. Now none of us on this board is going to solve the problem. It's up to Satya Nadella to outline a vision and execute it.
    04-20-2014 09:46 PM
  2. tgp's Avatar
    Why do people keep pushing that Microsoft needs to be saved?


    And... no future? Seriously? If you think they have no future, go get a Mac and another phone. Wouldn't want to be stuck on a platform made by a company with "no future".
    Ha ha good point. I think possibly what was meant here was not Microsoft as a whole, but the consumer division. Microsoft does very well in enterprise (Office, server OS, Windows) & also in Windows to consumers. However, their mobile division has not done well financially and it possibly never will. Microsoft has the resources to subsidize it until it turns a profit, but how long are the shareholders going to allow this to happen?
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    04-20-2014 11:13 PM
  3. Mihir Kandoi's Avatar
    Why do people keep pushing that Microsoft needs to be saved?


    And... no future? Seriously? If you think they have no future, go get a Mac and another phone. Wouldn't want to be stuck on a platform made by a company with "no future".
    Bro I didn't want to hurt anybody and I am sorry this hurts you but its true. Accept it or not, Microsoft has lost its fame. And btw I already own a Mac and an Android 😉
    04-21-2014 04:43 AM
  4. Mihir Kandoi's Avatar
    Ha ha good point. I think possibly what was meant here was not Microsoft as a whole, but the consumer division. Microsoft does very well in enterprise (Office, server OS, Windows) & also in Windows to consumers. However, their mobile division has not done well financially and it possibly never will. Microsoft has the resources to subsidize it until it turns a profit, but how long are the shareholders going to allow this to happen?
    You sir, exactly got my point!
    04-21-2014 04:49 AM
  5. Michael Alan Goff's Avatar
    Which is exactly what millions of people are doing. Now none of us on this board is going to solve the problem. It's up to Satya Nadella to outline a vision and execute it.
    And there are several billion people. There will be people who leave and people who stay. There will be enough of both for several companies to be profitable. Also, Satya isn't exactly doing something new and exciting. Everything he's done so far has been on the way for a few years now. The new vision is the same old thing they were moving for.

    Ha ha good point. I think possibly what was meant here was not Microsoft as a whole, but the consumer division. Microsoft does very well in enterprise (Office, server OS, Windows) & also in Windows to consumers. However, their mobile division has not done well financially and it possibly never will. Microsoft has the resources to subsidize it until it turns a profit, but how long are the shareholders going to allow this to happen?
    The shareholders seem to be alright with this idea, considering the stock prices are higher than they have been for years. I see a nice future for the Windows Consumer division.

    Bro I didn't want to hurt anybody and I am sorry this hurts you but its true. Accept it or not, Microsoft has lost its fame. And btw I already own a Mac and an Android 
    ​Then why are you here?
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    04-21-2014 09:30 AM
  6. architxt's Avatar
    With cloud and people using multiple devices the choice people have to make these days is for an ecosystem, as mentioned.

    I chose Microsoft because I believe they have a better strategy for this. Even now I think their offer is stronger than Google's. This time next year even more.

    Apple, for me, is primarily good product design. Just that.
    04-21-2014 09:49 AM
  7. coip's Avatar

    Sorry, but the Xbox One is simply inferior to the PS4 in every single way I can think of. It costs more, has worse hardware, and all features that would justify buying it are only available in the USA.
    You have a point that the best features are only in the USA thus far, and it's absurd that Microsoft couldn't pull off a larger launch, in that sense. But, I strongly disagree about your claim that PS4 is superior in every other way. The only thing it is has an edge in is a small performance advantage. And people that obsessed with eye candy really should be PC gamers, not console gamers because the PC dominates the PS4 in graphics. Everything else, Xbox One is way better. The PS4 is comparably boring: it's a spec upgrade from the PS3. Can't do much more than that. The Xbox One is much more ambitious: better OS with true multitasking, fast app switching, better exclusive apps, better exclusive games, more features (HDMI input, live TV, OneGuide, Skype, OneDrive, instant on, etc.), built-in voice and gesture controls, Kinect games, etc. Yes, all of these features need to be brought to other markets, and fast, but all in all, the Xbox One is just a much more interesting and useful system.
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    04-21-2014 10:31 PM
  8. k0de's Avatar
    Lol Apple and Google! Yes let them enjoy their 15 Minutes of fame. But it will soon be over.

    It is not the first time that MSFT has faced fierce competition like this. They have had in the past and have overcome. Put away all your fears and anxiety. Get a hold of yourself.

    In a nutshell you are looking in all the wrong places, MSFT is not going anywhere.

    Remember last quarter was record breaking at 24 billion. What will this quarter bring?
    04-21-2014 10:59 PM
  9. Alex Rodriguez Jr.'s Avatar
    I'm not reading these outrageously long posts lol, but I will say that the media (and even government agencies) have always been out to get Microsoft. Always. Its cool to hate them. They've been publicly beaten for the same practices their competitors are involved with. Despite this,folks have always used their products. Microsoft dominates multiple markets. Apple dominates zero. Its perception. While I'm sure Microsoft's goal is to own more markets, specifically gaming, Sony isn't their competitor. As stated here, Google & Apple are. Windows is still the best & most used OS out there. Folks who say otherwise most likely drool on themselves when in deep though. The Xbox brand still dominates the gaming market. IE is still the top browser (& growing again). Enterprise, Office, etc. OP's thread starter couldn't have been more inaccurate
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    04-21-2014 11:21 PM
  10. TonyDedrick's Avatar
    With cloud and people using multiple devices the choice people have to make these days is for an ecosystem, as mentioned.

    I chose Microsoft because I believe they have a better strategy for this. Even now I think their offer is stronger than Google's. This time next year even more.

    Apple, for me, is primarily good product design. Just that.
    Are that many people really choosing devices because of ecosystems? At least for myself, I can't say I'm immersed into one. I'm using bits and pieces from all of them. Most people I know are too. Cherry picking the devices they think are the best for them
    04-22-2014 03:10 AM
  11. anony_mouse's Avatar
    Are that many people really choosing devices because of ecosystems? At least for myself, I can't say I'm immersed into one. I'm using bits and pieces from all of them. Most people I know are too. Cherry picking the devices they think are the best for them
    Agree. Locking yourself to one ecosystem is a huge mistake. It's much better to pick and choose the best option for the things you actually need. A big disadvantage of Windows Phone is that it ties you to Microsoft's services (OK, I know you can use others, but e.g. Dropbox can never integrate as well as SkyDrive). I'm not saying Microsoft's services are bad, but who knows if they will be competitive in the future. And you may some day want the choice to go with devices from other vendors.
    A895 likes this.
    04-22-2014 04:39 AM
  12. A895's Avatar
    Are that many people really choosing devices because of ecosystems? At least for myself, I can't say I'm immersed into one. I'm using bits and pieces from all of them. Most people I know are too. Cherry picking the devices they think are the best for them
    I know there are a lot of people who like to buy something from one ecosystem and buy everything else in it. Like for example, how often do you see people with an iPhone and a iPad and/or a MacBook? Or there are some who just have brand loyalty.
    04-22-2014 07:07 AM
  13. architxt's Avatar
    Are that many people really choosing devices because of ecosystems? At least for myself, I can't say I'm immersed into one. I'm using bits and pieces from all of them. Most people I know are too. Cherry picking the devices they think are the best for them
    Good point... I haven't seen any stats in regard to this.

    But the strategies by Google, Apple and MS are to keep users in their fenced gardens so we can expect, as the whole concept of ecosystem is plugged more and more, people looking to stick to familiar experiences.

    As products mature they will become more seamless (within their ecosystem). This dynamic has a big advantage.

    Also, here we are bunch of tech heads, but does the average Joe seek the best product regardless of what ecosystem it belongs to?

    And what about corporate environments? Cherry picking the best solution is good in principle but can be costly.
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    04-22-2014 10:00 AM
  14. Cleavitt76's Avatar
    Are that many people really choosing devices because of ecosystems? At least for myself, I can't say I'm immersed into one. I'm using bits and pieces from all of them. Most people I know are too. Cherry picking the devices they think are the best for them
    I think there are a lot of people that could benefit greatly from having a more integrated "ecosystem" experience, but most people don't realize it is possible yet. Mobile is still fairly new and people are just happy to have some of these devices. However, the reality is that people often find these devices to be more effort to maintain, update, and keep synced than they are willing to spend time on. As people become aware that in a good ecosystem all of their devices can work together almost seamlessly, run the same apps, and sync pictures/music/etc automatically I believe they will begin to consider those advantages in their purchasing decisions.

    Agree. Locking yourself to one ecosystem is a huge mistake. It's much better to pick and choose the best option for the things you actually need. A big disadvantage of Windows Phone is that it ties you to Microsoft's services (OK, I know you can use others, but e.g. Dropbox can never integrate as well as SkyDrive). I'm not saying Microsoft's services are bad, but who knows if they will be competitive in the future. And you may some day want the choice to go with devices from other vendors.
    Those examples don't make much sense. You are basically saying that people shouldn't take advantage of the benefits of ecosystems (specifically Microsoft) because they might lose those benefits some day if they switch to a non-ecosystem alternative. As if never having those benefits (even while all other functionality was similar) is somehow better.

    I agree that "locking" yourself into an ecosystem (or proprietary format) is a mistake, but that doesn't mean that there aren't good reasons to align with technology that uses a single ecosystem as long as that ecosystem isn't cut off from other options. An "ecosystem" doesn't necessarily lock you in to anything provided it can be accessed from the outside. It just provides a more consistent and better synchronized experience. Apple's ecosystem absolutely attempts to lock in their users with everything from lightning connectors to proprietary protocols/formats and I avoid Apple products for this reason (although I believe they make good products). However, the Microsoft ecosystem is far more open than most these days. For example, OneDrive, Office, Xbox SmartGlass can be accessed from nearly any competing device. You don't see that very often with Apple and Google is being a bit selective with their "openness" these days too.

    ... But the strategies by Google, Apple and MS are to keep users in their fenced gardens ...
    That is certainly true of Apple and to some extent Google, but MS has been doing almost the opposite. Out of those three big tech companies, MS is the only one that is embracing open standards (like Miracast instead of AirPlay/ChromeCast) and making their services available on nearly all competing platforms. I'm very thankful for that.
    04-22-2014 01:43 PM
  15. Xpider_MX's Avatar
    Xbox One is selling great, a lot better than Xbox 360 (at 2006), and better than Wii U.
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    04-22-2014 02:26 PM
  16. k0de's Avatar
    Xbox One is selling great, a lot better than Xbox 360 (at 2006), and better than Wii U.
    Indeed. The OP is in a world of fear and anxiety manufactured by the media.

    Here is how. The OP only mentions a few products by MSFT. For example Xbox one, Windows Phone 8.1, Surface RT laptop (not the tablet).

    These are all new products and experimental at MSFT.

    The OP fail to mentioned SQL Sever, ASP.net, VS Ultimate, VS Premium, VS pro, IIS, Bing, Windows 8. And so on. But yet the OP claim to use all of MSFT Products.

    To the OP my advice is to relax unlike Apple and Google MSFT does not live or die on mobile phones. This is experimental. And if it flops so what? MSFT will live on.
    Last edited by k0de; 04-22-2014 at 07:03 PM.
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    04-22-2014 06:53 PM
  17. A895's Avatar
    Indeed. The OP is in a world of fear and anxiety manufactured by the media.

    Here is how. The OP only mentions a few products by MSFT. For example Xbox one, Windows Phone 8.1, Surface RT laptop (not the tablet).

    These are all new products and experimental at MSFT.

    The OP fail to mentioned SQL Sever, ASP.net, VS Ultimate, VS Premium, VS pro, IIS, Bing, Windows 8. And so on. But yet the OP claim to use all of MSFT Products.

    To the OP my advice is to relax unlike Apple and Google MSFT does not live or die on mobile phones. This is experimental. And if it flops so what? MSFT will live on.
    I agree with everything you said except mobile. We all know technology future rests in mobile, otherwise Microsoft wouldn`t be pouring billions and taking losses on it. Google is s terrible example of living or dying by phones because Google makes 90%+ of their money through ADS. Apple not only does phones but laptops, tablets, and desktops which al do well. You should have said Blackberry, they will live or die with mobile phones.
    04-22-2014 09:24 PM
  18. coip's Avatar
    The OP only mentions a few products by MSFT. For example Xbox one, Windows Phone 8.1, Surface RT...The OP fail to mentioned SQL Sever, ASP.net, VS Ultimate, VS Premium, VS pro, IIS, Bing, Windows 8. And so on. But yet the OP claim to use all of MSFT Products.
    I mentioned Windows 8 and Bing. As for the other stuff, none of those are used by everyday folk and are therefore not really relevant to my concern: public perception of Microsoft.
    04-22-2014 09:33 PM
  19. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Agree. Locking yourself to one ecosystem is a huge mistake. It's much better to pick and choose the best option for the things you actually need. A big disadvantage of Windows Phone is that it ties you to Microsoft's services (OK, I know you can use others, but e.g. Dropbox can never integrate as well as SkyDrive). I'm not saying Microsoft's services are bad, but who knows if they will be competitive in the future. And you may some day want the choice to go with devices from other vendors.
    One could say the same thing about Apple products. How many issues have there been just involving iMessage when iPhone users switch to Windows Phone or Android?
    04-22-2014 09:50 PM
  20. jevans911's Avatar
    Microsoft has rightly or wrongly traumatized millions of people with ****ty software. Those people have been buying up Macs and iPads for the last 5 years in massive quantities. They are happy as clams now fully ensconced in the Apple ecosystem. Those people are lost forever, but not everyone has done the full ecosystem switch. Microsoft still has a chance to redeem itself.
    I bought a MacBook Pro and an iPad, but I am seriously considering selling them and going with an MS laptop, maybe a 2in1 or a surface pad and I currently use a Windows phone, so adopters of Apple tech are not all lost causes... Oh btw I run Windows 8.1 on my PC too!
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    04-22-2014 10:01 PM
  21. anony_mouse's Avatar
    One could say the same thing about Apple products. How many issues have there been just involving iMessage when iPhone users switch to Windows Phone or Android?
    That's a fair point. I didn't mention Apple as this is a WP bulletin board.
    04-23-2014 05:38 AM
  22. Xpider_MX's Avatar
    The weird thing is Xbox One is the first Microsoft console that is not making losses. The first Xbox was a mess (talking about revenue), Xbox 360 was better, after 2010 is the best selling videogame console in USA, but since 2005 up to 2010 only losses because the RROD and it was selling at losses.

    Xbox One not only is selling better than Xbox 360 and Xbox Prime (the "new" name for the first xbox), but also it is not selling with losses. Yes, it is not selling "as good" as PS4, but the numbers that Xbox One is moving are not bad at all.
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    04-23-2014 04:37 PM
  23. k0de's Avatar
    I mentioned Windows 8 and Bing. As for the other stuff, none of those are used by everyday folk and are therefore not really relevant to my concern: public perception of Microsoft.
    My mistake. Public perception of MSFT? So what? All major entities in the world still use MSFT.

    Public perception is a niche. Like clothing and music it only last for a time. Is that your concern?

    Lol public perception will soon end for the niche companies. Relax MSFT offers many services unlike those niche companies that you are worry about. And MSFT will live through this epidemic of niches.

    Forget mobile market shares. Windows 8 alone sold over 200 million licenses last quarter alone. Wow. IPhone was 400 million in market shares for an entire year. I also wonder how the other services for MSFT in whole combine perform?
    Last edited by k0de; 04-23-2014 at 06:21 PM.
    04-23-2014 06:06 PM
  24. Michael Alan Goff's Avatar
    I mentioned Windows 8 and Bing. As for the other stuff, none of those are used by everyday folk and are therefore not really relevant to my concern: public perception of Microsoft.
    I do believe the pubic perception of Microsoft is rather ambivalent, just like always. I speak, of course, on average.
    04-23-2014 06:58 PM
  25. coip's Avatar
    My mistake. Public perception of MSFT? So what? All major entities in the world still use MSFT.
    The point is that entire generations (teens, twenty- and thirty-somethings) have now grown up with the perception that Google and Apple are cool and Microsoft is not. Sure, all major business and organizations use Microsoft now, but that's slowly becoming a non-truth. And who do you think will be making those type of corporate decisions in a few years? The twenty- and thirty-somethings who right now are totally invested in Apple and Google. That's what I'm concerned about.
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    04-23-2014 07:17 PM
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