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  1. spaulagain's Avatar
    Firstly, I have no intention of leaving Windows Phone.

    Secondly, YOU stated there was "new stuff" on the horizon, on a public forum, and I merely replied "what new stuff?". You don't have to get so arsey about answering the bloody question.

    I don't think you actually know what new stuff is coming. You see Microsoft moving the furniture around and the fanboy in you hopes it means Microsoft is somehow going to kick Apple's/Google's arse. But the truth is the Windows Phone consumer has nothing to look forward to but a hope and a dream and a long wait until Windows 10. And then after that, an even longer wait to see what this will actually produce for the average consumer.

    So if you can't answer the question "what new stuff?" the ball is now in Microsoft's court.
    OMG.

    You took my post which was a response to another post (not the original question of the thread) and asked me to extrapolate new stuff. Even though it was pretty clear I was talking about things to come.

    No one knows exactly what new stuff will be here with Windows 10 for ARM. And it won't be until they announce it in January/February as Joe said, that we'll have any definitive idea.

    But based on what I just stated above about the merge of RT and WP, you could certainly extrapolate features based on what exists in RT right now.

    So quit asking the "what new stuff?" questions. No one knows, and no one here is claiming to know.

    Once again, the whole point of my reply that you quoted was that that guy was planning to switch to iOS right before we'll be learning what new stuff is coming. I can't say it any clearer, so I'm done discussing this with you.
    11-14-2014 12:42 PM
  2. Silence#WP's Avatar
    I'm not even talking about apps. I'm talking about straight up OS features.

    Windows RT for Surface, etc. had almost all the same features Windows 8 has. Just can't install legacy apps and a few advanced features are removed.

    They certainly can't remove features on tablets that had RT installed when they release Windows 10. And with Windows 10, RT and WP will be merged. So while nothing is guaranteed, it only seems logical that the "phone version" will have a drastic bump in features compared to WP. And probably compared to iOS and Android
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    Most of what I've read about W10 with regard to phones has been concerning universal apps because that is about the only thing MS has put out regarding W10 on phones. Besides, what RT features need to come to WP? Over all WP is IMO more polished than RT. W10 will certainly bring some new features for the phone environment, but the true "killer" feature it brings, again IMO, is the universal app environment.
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    11-14-2014 12:57 PM
  3. spaulagain's Avatar
    Most of what I've read about W10 with regard to phones has been concerning universal apps because that is about the only thing MS has put out regarding W10 on phones. Besides, what RT features need to come to WP? Over all WP is IMO more polished than RT. W10 will certainly bring some new features for the phone environment, but the true "killer" feature it brings, again IMO, is the universal app environment.
    The universal app environment already exists. It's just more complete in Windows 10.

    As for features, yes WP is more polished than RT in regards to UI. But from a feature standpoint, RT has a lot more than WP.

    Everyone complains about features in iOS and Android that don't exist in WP. I think it's pretty clear that W10 should close that gap and maybe surpass it. At least theoretically. But MS could be stupid and just randomly strip out features.

    But that's what I'm referring to when I say "new stuff."
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    11-14-2014 01:07 PM
  4. nicfromwales's Avatar
    OMG.

    You took my post which was a response to another post (not the original question of the thread) and asked me to extrapolate new stuff. Even though it was pretty clear I was talking about things to come.

    No one knows exactly what new stuff will be here with Windows 10 for ARM. And it won't be until they announce it in January/February as Joe said, that we'll have any definitive idea.

    But based on what I just stated above about the merge of RT and WP, you could certainly extrapolate features based on what exists in RT right now.

    So quit asking the "what new stuff?" questions. No one knows, and no one here is claiming to know.

    Once again, the whole point of my reply that you quoted was that that guy was planning to switch to iOS right before we'll be learning what new stuff is coming. I can't say it any clearer, so I'm done discussing this with you.
    This is one of the most hilarious reactions I've ever seen in a forum. The thread asks what advantages there are over rival platforms. One guy said he might leave. You replied - to paraphrase - "don't switch yet, new stuff is coming!". I simply asked "what new stuff?" which is a response you might expect from a fellow Windows Phone fan on a forum designed to discuss such matters, and you've responded by getting all defensive about it, and telling me to read more articles on the matter, which have obviously taught you nothing as your answer to the question "what new stuff?" is still "I don't know"!

    Just be honest from the start; we can only speculate about what Microsoft might accomplish in 2015, and what this might mean for users of their devices. The real question isn't really "what are the advantages on Windows Phone?", but "WHEN are the advantages on Windows Phone?". The answer? 2015. Maybe. Wait and see. And Microsoft will probably pass them on to Android and iOS too.

    If your Lumia/Windows phone isn't doing what you want it to do, and doing it right now, then yes, you should switch to another platform and enjoy it.
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    11-14-2014 02:10 PM
  5. spaulagain's Avatar
    This is one of the most hilarious reactions I've ever seen in a forum. The thread asks what advantages there are over rival platforms. One guy said he might leave. You replied - to paraphrase - "don't switch yet, new stuff is coming!". I simply asked "what new stuff?" which is a response you might expect from a fellow Windows Phone fan on a forum designed to discuss such matters, and you've responded by getting all defensive about it, and telling me to read more articles on the matter, which have obviously taught you nothing as your answer to the question "what new stuff?" is still "I don't know"!

    Just be honest from the start; we can only speculate about what Microsoft might accomplish in 2015, and what this might mean for users of their devices. The real question isn't really "what are the advantages on Windows Phone?", but "WHEN are the advantages on Windows Phone?". The answer? 2015. Maybe. Wait and see. And Microsoft will probably pass them on to Android and iOS too.

    If your Lumia/Windows phone isn't doing what you want it to do, and doing it right now, then yes, you should switch to another platform and enjoy it.
    I wasn't responding to the entire thread. I was simply making a point in reference to the time frame that individual was planning to switch to iOS. I made a very simple point that he was planning on leaving right when we'd learn what advantages would be coming and might make it worth staying on the platform for.

    You are the one that kept riding my *** expecting me to extrapolate and deliver something no one knows. And try to answer for this whole thread which has already veered off from it's original course.

    As far as current advantages, I could list plenty. But they are all subjective. And clearly if people think that Office on iOS means the advantages of WP have vanished now, then they don't value the things I do. So what's the point of discussing them?

    I have an iPhone. I hate it. So my list of "advantages" would clearly be biased and probably irrelevant for the people asking this question.
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    11-14-2014 02:33 PM
  6. steve_w_7's Avatar
    It's not inconceivable that some people will use great Windows apps on iOS and Android and down the road say "well, the apps are good, maybe I'll try their phone."
    While this is a nice thought, it doesn't resemble what takes place in the real world.

    I have a gmail account and I am constantly using YouTube and other Google owned services. All I care about is that I can use them on my Windows Phone. I have never once considered switching to Android because I enjoy their apps/services. Availability and a good experience on your phone of choice does more to keep you satisfied with what you have, than to cause you to wander.

    I find it interesting that I currently don't use any Apple apps or services on my Windows Phone, yet that is the phone that I am considering switching over to.
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    11-14-2014 03:42 PM
  7. Vaibhav Sundaresan's Avatar
    Ah, so I'm an iFan now, way to go on jumping to conclusions there without any proof. All of your answers focus completely on the Microsoft Lumia and NOT Windows Phone in general, therefore my original answers still stand!!!!
    They apply in general to all WP. I'm just taking Lumia as an example s it is the most popular brand associated with WP. Did you even read my post?
    11-15-2014 12:18 AM
  8. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    i just thought of another advantage
    apple india's official reseller maple is pathetic and unhelpful
    i went there twice for manufacturing defects for week old devices and they asked me to pay up $600 and return the product and take home a refurb product instead
    another time they said i was charging my ipad overnight and thats why the charger stopped working and refused to replace
    Nokia on the other hand is a better OEM,they replaced my grandads 8 month old Lumia 720 and gave him a brand new one,no questions asked when the digitizer started acting all funny at random and we werent able to even show them proof but its the sheer trust and excellent service which helped
    11-15-2014 04:07 AM
  9. psoham777's Avatar
    i just thought of another advantage
    apple india's official reseller maple is pathetic and unhelpful
    i went there twice for manufacturing defects for week old devices and they asked me to pay up $600 and return the product and take home a refurb product instead
    another time they said i was charging my ipad overnight and thats why the charger stopped working and refused to replace
    Nokia on the other hand is a better OEM,they replaced my grandads 8 month old Lumia 720 and gave him a brand new one,no questions asked when the digitizer started acting all funny at random and we werent able to even show them proof but its the sheer trust and excellent service which helped

    I agree with you. One of my friend broke his brand new N90, he dropped it from 4th floor, he still got a new one. Another friend who owned an x3, he dropped his phone from 3rd floor, his phone didn't break, but sim card wasn't supported, he got a new one from Nokia care centre. Nokia has always provided better services & always lives upto people's expectations.
    Apple doesn't provide services here & it would never consider giving services to a developing country, so why should we care to buy apple's costly products?
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    11-15-2014 06:39 AM
  10. andrygun's Avatar
    While this is a nice thought, it doesn't resemble what takes place in the real world.

    I have a gmail account and I am constantly using YouTube and other Google owned services. All I care about is that I can use them on my Windows Phone. I have never once considered switching to Android because I enjoy their apps/services. Availability and a good experience on your phone of choice does more to keep you satisfied with what you have, than to cause you to wander.

    I find it interesting that I currently don't use any Apple apps or services on my Windows Phone, yet that is the phone that I am considering switching over to.
    As you can see, people opinion differs on this. Some people are really biased towards one OS, some display hatred and some are adventurous to try other stuffs.

    U are a WP user from the beginning and have started falling for iphone. If u have the budget and apple service is good in ur country (im from australia and apple customer service is really good), then go for it. You never know if it might be the more suitable OS for you. Even if it didnt work out, at least then you know which one is better for you ๐Ÿ˜‰
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    11-15-2014 07:34 AM
  11. maclancer's Avatar
    I am enjoying more WP now with the developer preview than before. With the DP you can experience the latest and greatest for WP. I will never switch to another platform, I am really loving it.
    11-15-2014 07:44 AM
  12. psoham777's Avatar
    I am enjoying more WP now with the developer preview than before. With the DP you can experience the latest and greatest for WP. I will never switch to another platform, I am really loving it.

    Even I won't switch to other platform now. As soon as my phones warranty is over, I'll start downloading DP.
    11-15-2014 07:56 AM
  13. maclancer's Avatar
    Even I won't switch to other platform now. As soon as my phones warranty is over, I'll start downloading DP.
    The DP does not affect your warranty, I have a 1520 with warranty and using DP since WP 8.1 came out.
    11-15-2014 08:04 AM
  14. psoham777's Avatar
    The DP does not affect your warranty, I have a 1520 with warranty and using DP since WP 8.1 came out.

    It does, in some of the carriers it doesn't, but here in my country downloading dp would void my warranty
    11-15-2014 09:43 AM
  15. maclancer's Avatar
    It does, in some of the carriers it doesn't, but here in my country downloading dp would void my warranty
    Oh wow, here in the US does not.
    11-15-2014 10:57 AM
  16. thesachd's Avatar
    It does, in some of the carriers it doesn't, but here in my country downloading dp would void my warranty
    If something we're to happen to your device and you wanted to take it to claim warranty you could simply opt out of developer preview.

    Pretty sure they won't have "much" proof that you tried dev preview after you unlist.

    Haha don't worry too much about it. It's awesome to try out early builds of new softwares.
    11-15-2014 02:39 PM
  17. Wam1q's Avatar
    If something we're to happen to your device and you wanted to take it to claim warranty you could simply opt out of developer preview.

    Pretty sure they won't have "much" proof that you tried dev preview after you unlist.

    Haha don't worry too much about it. It's awesome to try out early builds of new softwares.
    They could know that if they see that the build installed is newer than the retail version... Downgrade to retail build seems the only safe option.
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    11-15-2014 03:02 PM
  18. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    i would avoid DP for two reasons on a main phone- bugs and battery life
    if you have a 2nd phone lying around,its awesome to use DP and see newer features first
    11-16-2014 01:05 AM
  19. psoham777's Avatar
    i would avoid DP for two reasons on a main phone- bugs and battery life
    if you have a 2nd phone lying around,its awesome to use DP and see newer features first

    According to me if you download dp, you won't enjoy the official update much, so dp isn't for me. I love official updates rather than being too desperate to try out new features.
    11-16-2014 03:08 AM
  20. grandmaster1618's Avatar
    I can't say what you will miss if u switch from WP to iPhone but I can say we will miss you ๐Ÿ˜œ.
    IPhone 6 is good. You will not miss anything.. The camera is good. Battery is okay. Has all the apps you will need. You may get Cortana also if recent reports are to be believed.
    If I could I would ask you to wait until late next year.. Enough time for apple to come up with a better smartwatch/smartphone pair and windows 10 for phones will be out.
    11-16-2014 03:34 AM
  21. thesachd's Avatar
    Anyways I forgot to answer OP's question.

    You'll not miss much, but your gains may be significant. For one thing iOS isn't just icons now, it has pretty nice widgets. Which IMO are more functional than live tiles.

    The camera is amazing, but audio capture may not be as good as your 925. The shot taking and processing is top notch however and video quality and focus is great.

    The lock screen notifications and notifications in general, the continuity with Mac and iPad may also greatly benefit you.

    You'll also get an awesome fingerprint detector.

    And Microsoft's own applications and services are often much better on iOS than they are on Windows Phone.

    Then the fluidity and performance will straight out beat any Windows Phone and the gaming experience will be better because of better graphics as well.

    So in short, you won't miss much. Cortana is probably coming to the iPhone soon as well.
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    11-16-2014 03:45 AM
  22. Ian Too's Avatar
    Thanks for starting this thread and doing so in a way which doesn't start a flame war. It's so nice to read constructive comments.

    I recently bought a Lumia 930 and love it, though I miss Glance. However, it cost 160 less to buy than my old Lumia 920 and I got 100's worth of free accessories from Microsoft. With the money I saved over an iPhone 6, I could buy myself a Lenovo Miix 2 or Dell Venue Pro 8. What this shows is how much better value a Windows Phone is over an iPhone, because spec wise, a 930 is comparable and has features which the iPhone lacks - like dedicated camera button, physical OIS and wireless charging - that are well worth having. Build quality is similar as well, so I'm beginning to wonder whether the much vaunted app gap is worth initial cost difference.

    I have a colleague who has an iPhone 6 and it is very much what I expected; not entirely a good thing. Build quality is good, but so it damn well should be and the look on my friend's face when I made to bend it was priceless. :-) To have an iPhone is to live in fear of breaking it, because of the replacement cost. It requires a case or cover of some sort, so styling is irrelevant and thinness a necessity, not an aesthetic choice. This iPhone now sports a screen protector (which I doubt it needs) and a clear plastic case which has already trapped some dirt. My point here is that with a Lumia you can have high specs and cool styling without having to curate it.

    There is another hardware thing the 930 has over the iPhone, it's battery life. My colleague and I have very similar usage patterns, though I tend to use Bluetooth more and he watches a couple more videos a day than I do. He is finding the battery adequate, but it is a worry to him - he would do more if he could. My battery life is all I need, I'm never afraid of playing a game or watching a video and not being left with too little power for the rest of the day. What's more, because of wireless charging, the device is never tied down. Recharging the device is an entirely natural action and there is no bother picking it up if you get a call or want to look something up. The advantage of this was recently bought home to me by another colleague, who uses a Galaxy S4. He bought a spare battery and it came with a charging case, so he could keep a battery on charge all the time. This is a really cool solution, except he has to switch off his device every time he needs to swap batteries. Given that one of my free accessories was a DC-50 wireless charging plate and power problems are history. PS: The Lumia 930 comes with a DT-601 charging plate, but I don't like it because it's hard to find the sweet spot, the DT-900 is better.

    Those are some of the hardware features which keep me on Windows Phone and I'm confident that the 930 is a worthy successor to a 920 or 925. That remains true without the free accessories, by the way.

    Software wise, both Windows Phone and Cortana are not just quantitative, but qualitative advances over iOS and Android. This is because when Apple made a touch operating system, they had a failure of imagination; they adapted the desktop for touch. Microsoft on the other hand, had to implement a whole new paradigm and this means Windows Phone is proactive, not merely reactive.

    Just put your 925 down on the table and it will already be telling you the time and showing notifications, while the iPhone will be a blank screen. Double tap to wake and you now know the day and weather conditions - or your next appointment, depending on how you have it set up. The next point goes to the iPhone of course, because turning on the device and logging in are combined, but once you've entered your pin, Windows Phone regains the initiative by presenting the next five day's weather, a news headline and your next appointment - while iOS only has static icons with little numbers showing the number of unread messages, etc. Next to Windows Phone, iOS is dull and uninformative. The same is true of Cortana over Siri and Microsoft have only just started in that direction.

    My final reason to stay with Windows Phone is the future. It's difficult to see how Apple can do anything but refine what they already have in iOS, whereas we already know Windows 10 is coming and that even if you stay with your 925, you will get it. Already qualitatively ahead W10 will be another qualitative step forward with Microsoft being the first to offer coherent access to your digital life independent of the device you use to access it with. I wouldn't be surprised to see full multitasking, the ability to run two apps on the screen using the snap feature and embedded controls on live tiles, so you can control playback of music or do simple calculations without even leaving the start screen.

    I really think Microsoft have the best vision for the future, that Apple have lost the initiative and Google never had a clue in the first place.

    If you decide to get the iPhone, good luck to you, I hope it serves you well. But I'm staying here where I'm comfortable and where I think there is most scope for the future.
    11-16-2014 06:05 AM
  23. colinkiama's Avatar
    SD card support, double tap to wake, glance, preview, removable battery, wireless charging, file manager, download all files to phone (since 8.1), live tiles
    11-16-2014 06:18 AM
  24. wuiyang's Avatar
    4. If you are referring to the hardware, I would agree to a point. Nokia has made some beautiful devices (Icon, 925, 830), but Microsoft's current strategy of flooding the earth with low end, colorful plastic doesn't excite me.
    metallic design is bad, here's why, No, Samsung, LG and Sony, I don't want a metal smartphone
    plastic doesn't mean cheap, hardened plastic has different feeling, like 820, 920, 1020, 1520, 930, 830 cover
    also, please wait for half years (if you have patience), then buy Microsoft Lumia 1030 (or Nokia Lumia 1030, idk which one) or 1530, 1830 (the goldfinger)
    11-16-2014 06:35 AM
  25. Narse77's Avatar
    I am right there with you. The final nail in the coffin for me was my work changing the MDM and dropping support for WP. I have a iPhone 6 on the way.
    11-18-2014 11:55 AM
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