12-02-2017 04:50 AM
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  1. samuele dassatti's Avatar
    Do you think an ARM-powered 10" Surface is likely to be released next year or it will be replaced by Microsoft's new foldable device?

    I hope it will be available in the first months of 2018, but since no one is talking about it, I'm starting to have doubts about it.
    Jcmg62 likes this.
    11-20-2017 08:50 AM
  2. Jcmg62's Avatar
    I pretty much asked the same thing a few days ago......"is windows on arm still a thing we can expect in the near future"....I got one response from someone who said he can't see the point of windows on arm.

    So basically he can't see the point of a ultra thin, highly portable device with always connected capability and a battery life that'll last days. Ok then.

    Here's the thing that has me wondering what the deal is: Microsoft announced Windows on Arm in late 2016. Since then we've seen one or two demonstrations and that's about it. According to several Microsoft focussed tech sites we were due to see Windows on Arm devices in stores and available to buy before the end of the year. Unless I've missed something in the news I haven't heard of a single device partner that's about to launch a new windows on arm device anytime soon.

    I think it's been delayed. Whether that's because they want to tie it into the supposed launch of Andromeda in 2018 or whether manufacturing partners aren't building for it is anyone's guess.

    All I know is that up until a couple of months ago there were dozens of articles online about Windows on Arm but since about September it's been crickets.

    I've sent a question to the Ask Dan forum page asking if he has any updates. Will be interesting to see if he picks up the question and responds
    Imaster1 likes this.
    11-22-2017 04:48 AM
  3. kaktus1389's Avatar
    I think we can expect Microsoft to release an ARM based device, however everything is possible at Microsoft - you never know when shareholders (Nadella) will see it as unprofitable.
    11-22-2017 08:18 AM
  4. TheJoester09's Avatar
    I pretty much asked the same thing a few days ago......"is windows on arm still a thing we can expect in the near future"....I got one response from someone who said he can't see the point of windows on arm.

    So basically he can't see the point of a ultra thin, highly portable device with always connected capability and a battery life that'll last days. Ok then.

    Here's the thing that has me wondering what the deal is: Microsoft announced Windows on Arm in late 2016. Since then we've seen one or two demonstrations and that's about it. According to several Microsoft focussed tech sites we were due to see Windows on Arm devices in stores and available to buy before the end of the year. Unless I've missed something in the news I haven't heard of a single device partner that's about to launch a new windows on arm device anytime soon.

    I think it's been delayed. Whether that's because they want to tie it into the supposed launch of Andromeda in 2018 or whether manufacturing partners aren't building for it is anyone's guess.

    All I know is that up until a couple of months ago there were dozens of articles online about Windows on Arm but since about September it's been crickets.

    I've sent a question to the Ask Dan forum page asking if he has any updates. Will be interesting to see if he picks up the question and responds
    A while back, Intel was passive-aggressively threatening legal action over the emulation of x86 on ARM. I wonder if that's causing delays?

    https://www.thurrott.com/windows/win...omm-windows-10
    11-22-2017 09:13 AM
  5. qqquiop23's Avatar
    There was a leak last week about a device HP will release in December. I'm possibly interested if the Intel SA 00086 vulnerabilities aren't addressed for the Surface Pro, although the Snapdragon 835 has had its own security problems.
    TechFreak1 and BanditoTR like this.
    11-24-2017 05:38 PM
  6. TechFreak1's Avatar
    There was a leak last week about a device HP will release in December. I'm possibly interested if the Intel SA 00086 vulnerabilities aren't addressed for the Surface Pro, although the Snapdragon 835 has had its own security problems.
    It's generally given anything that is coded, can be reversed engineered through various means and equipment.
    11-24-2017 06:36 PM
  7. Dusteater's Avatar
    I am not holding my breath to ever see Windows on ARM see the light of day. Like so many other things, it's just faded away and will never be spoken of again.
    theefman and SpinelessWonder like this.
    11-25-2017 12:03 AM
  8. milkyway's Avatar
    I am not holding my breath to ever see Windows on ARM see the light of day. Like so many other things, it's just faded away and will never be spoken of again.
    Erm...it's almost here:
    https://www.neowin.net/news/new-wind...an-asus-laptop
    11-29-2017 07:50 AM
  9. PsychoSuperman's Avatar
    I think an ARM based Surface is a foregone conclusion, but what I would like to see is a SurfaceBook version....

    If they made the screen ARM powered when detached, but it had the DGPU and an i7 in the performance base, it would be crazy.

    Lightweight, long life tablet with LTE meets powerhouse graphics and processing power when docked. Don't know if a co-processor setup would work, but it would be nice.
    11-30-2017 10:37 AM
  10. neilbey's Avatar
    Do you think an ARM-powered 10" Surface is likely to be released next year or it will be replaced by Microsoft's new foldable device?

    I hope it will be available in the first months of 2018, but since no one is talking about it, I'm starting to have doubts about it.
    I think they'd be smart to bring out a SD 845 powered 10" surface 4 device. I think there is still a market for a sub-$500, premium-feeling device. It just needs to be marketed to death as not being a RT device (i.e. store apps only). That false info is still floating around out there, so if a consumer even gets a whiff of non-x86 CPU, it'd be DOA.

    A 10inch device that can last days? Sign me up.
    11-30-2017 10:49 AM
  11. bleached's Avatar
    I think they'd be smart to bring out a SD 845 powered 10" surface 4 device. I think there is still a market for a sub-$500, premium-feeling device. It just needs to be marketed to death as not being a RT device (i.e. store apps only). That false info is still floating around out there, so if a consumer even gets a whiff of non-x86 CPU, it'd be DOA.

    A 10inch device that can last days? Sign me up.
    You are assuming it won't be store only. It might only be compatible with Centennial apps.
    11-30-2017 11:02 AM
  12. Martin Plamondon's Avatar
    You are assuming it won't be store only. It might only be compatible with Centennial apps.
    Then it'd be dead before it even hit the store shelves. It needs to be able to run x86 apps and not only centennial or else it's RT all over again.
    SpinelessWonder likes this.
    11-30-2017 12:03 PM
  13. Dush Ku's Avatar
    Do you think an ARM-powered 10" Surface is likely to be released next year or it will be replaced by Microsoft's new foldable device?

    I hope it will be available in the first months of 2018, but since no one is talking about it, I'm starting to have doubts about it.

    how about a 6" ARM powered surface that has LTE?
    vEEP pEEP likes this.
    11-30-2017 12:18 PM
  14. samuele dassatti's Avatar
    That would be pretty cool. As a OneNote user and a developer that has published a Windows Ink app, I would find myself using it all the times to jot down some notes when I need to. That said, Windows doesn't scale that well on smaller screens so I highly doubt we will see it in the near future (maybe when CShell will be available).

    BTW, if you're interested in the Windows Ink app I mentioned, it is called Fluently.
    11-30-2017 12:55 PM
  15. cowboy6201's Avatar
    And how about it can charge of a USB port and not need the supplied 12w charger to charge it. My wife tries charging in our Foed Explorers USB to charge her Surface 3, but it's not enough to charge it, it takes forever to charge.
    11-30-2017 01:54 PM
  16. 1DaveN's Avatar
    I absolutely love my Surface 3 - smaller and cheaper than the Pro, it's perfect for reading or watching content around the house, and I use it almost every day. I'd love to see them come out with an updated model, and ARM would be fine with me.
    zkmac likes this.
    11-30-2017 05:03 PM
  17. 1DaveN's Avatar
    Cowboy6201 - check out the Anker chargers that plug into the power port (cigarette lighter). They make ones with 12w per port.
    11-30-2017 05:04 PM
  18. BanditoTR's Avatar
    If it's ready for prime time why not. As long as it is a premium device that cost less than the Surface Pro I might buy it out right. Need a big tablet that can do everything I can do in a desktop. That is if ARM Windows can actually run win32 apps.
    11-30-2017 05:16 PM
  19. BanditoTR's Avatar
    If they do that I would buy the Surface book for sure. The only thing holding me back is that 5hr lasting time.
    11-30-2017 05:19 PM
  20. GreyFox7's Avatar
    Do you think an ARM-powered 10" Surface is likely to be released next year or it will be replaced by Microsoft's new foldable device?

    I hope it will be available in the first months of 2018, but since no one is talking about it, I'm starting to have doubts about it.
    The ARM powered Surface is something that will stand on it's own and doesn't need the foldable gimmick. I have been waiting for this since before the Surface 3 was released. I was very happy with the Surface 2 and a new device using a powerful ARM SoC with the enhancements of Windows 10 on ARM is just what the doctor ordered.
    zkmac likes this.
    11-30-2017 07:13 PM
  21. naddy6969's Avatar
    Get Samsung to make it, then 6 months later they can claim it never existed.
    11-30-2017 07:35 PM
  22. RobbieRobski's Avatar
    Before the death of Windows mobile, I thought this may have been a good idea because of Windows on Arm. But without phone mobile, what incentive is there left for developers?

    If it would be successful now, they must wait until edge has complete PWA support. Otherwise, I feel it's dead on arrival.
    11-30-2017 08:05 PM
  23. Jon T's Avatar
    I really like the form of my Surface 3, but it's pretty underpowered if you want to do more than one or two things at a time. I'd love something with a similar form factor (a little thinner would be great) with enough power to run more than a couple of browser tabs at a time and do some light coding and that can run OneNote decently. Oh, and more reasonable power management. I currently have my Surface 3 set to hibernate after a couple of hours unplugged. Otherwise it's dead every time I reach for it.

    I'm hoping that there will be at least some Windows on ARM device that fits that bill. If it's from Microsoft that would be great.
    11-30-2017 08:58 PM
  24. vEEP pEEP's Avatar
    The only reason to buy an ARM based Surface is for batter longevity?
    Will they be cheaper than x86 Surfaces?
    11-30-2017 11:23 PM
  25. Cruncher04's Avatar
    The only reason to buy an ARM based Surface is for batter longevity?
    Will they be cheaper than x86 Surfaces?
    The higher efficiency of ARM CPUs gives device makers different options. You can get longer battery duration at same performance and form factor, smaller form factor at same battery and performance or higher performance at same form factor and battery duration - or any combination in between.

    I am personally looking forward to a lightweight small device with good battery duration including cellular connectivity. I do not necessarily expect this to be cheaper than a comparable x86 offering as i am getting a just better device and am willing to pay for this.
    12-01-2017 05:56 AM
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