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  1. Jcmg62's Avatar
    Sigh.... :(

    Oh Microsoft, when will you learn that sometimes it's good to be first :(
    07-19-2018 02:30 AM
  2. b3rkey's Avatar
    And it will be the beginning of the foldable ios / windows / smart phone :) hope they will not suing each other.
    07-19-2018 04:19 AM
  3. Mark Kaplan's Avatar
    LG has been making great progress in the foldable screen tech.
    07-20-2018 12:45 PM
  4. Drael646464's Avatar
    Tell that to IBM and their Simon Personal Communicator (the first all touch screen smartphone).

    Personally though, I trust the android rumour mill even less than the windows rumour mill. Until it's officially announced, the fat lady hasn't sung.

    Besides, I actually see a lot smaller a market for android foldables right now. Whilst their is still a seam, it's a multi-tasking and dual screening device. No one really wants to do that with android. It's a bit like samsungs continuum like function - there's even less call for that than continuum itself. Unless Samsung also later release a windows core version based on andromeda, I don't see much of a market for it.

    There are already dual screen android devices after all. They are just kind of pointless.

    What it really hinges on (lol), is the software. If there are enough apps on launch that make use of the dual screen format, and enough OS refinement of the UI for dual screen, it'll be viable. If not, it'll be a failure.
    Lobo Technician likes this.
    07-21-2018 12:29 AM
  5. Lobo Technician's Avatar
    Honestly, this is sooner than I expected. I guessing that they are giving the software time to be refined and the app gap to become less of an issue, but I think they might be late to the party by that date. But we'll see...
    Jcmg62 likes this.
    07-23-2018 04:28 PM
  6. dkediger's Avatar
    It may fold, but it will be a Samsung specific enabling software layer on top of Android.
    07-29-2018 12:43 PM
  7. Drael646464's Avatar
    It may fold, but it will be a Samsung specific enabling software layer on top of Android.
    That's for sure. It'll be Samsung written apps and code, and probably in some kind of partnership.
    07-29-2018 08:06 PM
  8. bleached's Avatar
    Besides, I actually see a lot smaller a market for android foldables right now. Whilst their is still a seam, it's a multi-tasking and dual screening device.
    The Samsung is actually using a folding screen. No seam. Andromeda is dead. Microsoft won't bother launching it next to a real folding screen.
    08-03-2018 10:50 AM
  9. Desynthesis's Avatar
    Sigh.... :(

    Oh Microsoft, when will you learn that sometimes it's good to be first :(
    ...I feel like this would be a more compelling statement if it wasn't so easy to point out to Microsoft the many times it was bad to be first.
    08-03-2018 10:57 AM
  10. netmann's Avatar
    What else is new with Samsung?!
    08-03-2018 11:00 AM
  11. WindowsMEXP's Avatar
    I'm not so sure this will put Samsung ahead of everyone. At least from the stories I have read on this foldable device, it's basically a take on the classic flip phone. So when fully extended its going to functionally look like a standard slab smartphone. Closed you'll have a small screen to view notifications and such just like on a flip phone. I just don't see how this is exciting for the consumer outside of enthusiasts. Now of course, the reports on this new phone are all based on rumor and patents and Samsung could definitely pull something fantastic off, but right now aside from it being the first for a folding screen, I just don't see this first Samsung design setting the world a fire. Maybe after several iterations down the road, it will be real good and appealing to the average consumer, but not this first design. I think Microsoft, Apple, and other phone manufacturers will have time to put out their spin on folding screen, but not forever though.
    08-03-2018 11:10 AM
  12. infosage's Avatar
    Great point. It's not aa much when they hit the market, but how aggressively and committed they Ade when they do. Look at how Cortana was allowed to atrophy when they had advantages at one point. Unfortunately, they don't seem to have passion for being first, committed, or aggressive. On the positive side, IE was dying and Edge was horrible (at best) when launched, but they have stayed committed and haven't quit yet. Surface wasn't a real success until v3, but they didn't quit. Who knows with Nadella? It seems to be crap shoot on what he cuts l, and what he keeps going. That ambiguity kills developer interest though...
    anachrotech likes this.
    08-03-2018 11:33 AM
  13. Vishvjeet Arya's Avatar
    Samsung is going to release its device even before Microsoft will able to decide whether to release the device or not. And if Microsoft releases it after Samsung then the device is destined to fail. Because in recent years, whenever Microsoft came in second or third in releasing a device or service, it failed miserably even if the product was superior. It is the sad reality that Microsoft has faced in recent years. Like Zune after iPod, Band after other fitness bands, Groove Music after a lot of other services, Windows phone after Android and iPhone and a lot of others including the initial Surface RT devices which competed with iPads.
    Though, with the resources that Microsoft has, it can easily position Andromeda at the perfect device for corporates and eventually consumers (because those working in corporates are humans, not robots) if it Integrates Office, Skype, and Teams into it like they are part of the device and offers special discounts or offers to people using those three products in "Andromeda". But that's a big if. And I know Microsoft is never going to do that.
    So this is already written in stone that the device is going to fail and Microsoft needs some kind of miracle to win this race which unfortunately does not seems to happen.
    08-03-2018 11:53 AM
  14. DRDiver's Avatar
    It doesn't even matter. Niche idea for a niche market.
    Jazmac likes this.
    08-03-2018 12:12 PM
  15. Hirox K's Avatar
    Sigh.... :(
    Oh Microsoft, when will you learn that sometimes it's good to be first :(
    tbh, I want Andromeda so I can dock it on my gamepad for XPA, for OneDrive on Demand, for light Photoshop, for Surface Pen, for light programming, for browser extensions, etc.
    But I don't understand the need of a Dual Screen device.
    Sure, we've been using 2 or 3 screens in the office but all applications we have in the market, are all 1 screen application.
    Closest example would be game designed for 3ds vs no effort bottom screen support.

    I just want WoA + Snapdragon 1k + e-sim. 2 screens is ok (not a must, just wouldn't mind). 1 screen Andromeda is enough.
    seventeenapg likes this.
    08-03-2018 12:43 PM
  16. Hirox K's Avatar
    Samsung is going to release its device even before Microsoft will able to decide whether to release the device or not. And if Microsoft releases it after Samsung then the device is destined to fail. Because in recent years, whenever Microsoft came in second or third in releasing a device or service, it failed miserably even if the product was superior. It is the sad reality that Microsoft has faced in recent years. Like Zune after iPod, Band after other fitness bands, Groove Music after a lot of other services, Windows phone after Android and iPhone and a lot of others including the initial Surface RT devices which competed with iPads.
    Though, with the resources that Microsoft has, it can easily position Andromeda at the perfect device for corporates and eventually consumers (because those working in corporates are humans, not robots) if it Integrates Office, Skype, and Teams into it like they are part of the device and offers special discounts or offers to people using those three products in "Andromeda". But that's a big if. And I know Microsoft is never going to do that.
    So this is already written in stone that the device is going to fail and Microsoft needs some kind of miracle to win this race which unfortunately does not seems to happen.
    but you cannot use Android for
    1. dock it on a gamepad for XPA
    2. OneDrive on Demand
    3. light Photoshop
    4. Surface Pen for quick note or draft
    5. light programming
    6 browser extensions (I don't use others, I write my own injections)
    08-03-2018 12:48 PM
  17. BanditoTR's Avatar
    Microsoft is doing the right thing to be patient. PWA apps are still not there yet, they still have to get popular apps like WhatsApp to work on this device, and Windows Core is still not finished. When WC is done then we can talk about Andromeda. Who knows, maybe the Windows that is released for it will be just better and with more Desktopy capabilities like what I expected with Continuum.
    08-03-2018 12:52 PM
  18. Martin Plamondon's Avatar
    Unless a foldable device runs Windows with x86 capacity in continuum mode, there is no point. I don't see a desktop use for Android.
    08-03-2018 01:36 PM
  19. Gregorius Magnus's Avatar
    Sigh.... :(

    Oh Microsoft, when will you learn that sometimes it's good to be first :(
    Yes MS will be beaten.
    08-03-2018 01:38 PM
  20. BajanSaint69's Avatar
    Folding Android phones have been done before. I think what is critical to this is Microsoft's insistence that it is NOT a phone. If folding is the only thing new that any platform offers it will just be a gimmick.

    I think what will define the success or failure of Andromeda is the OS and software, and I don't think warmed over Android in a new bendy skin will compete.
    08-03-2018 02:25 PM
  21. pkcable's Avatar
    You realize Samsung will NOT be the first to market with a foldable screen, THAT distinction belongs to ZTE



    Now that being said, the ZTE was a foldable phone, BUT it actually had 2 screen connected by hinges. I think what Samsung has it mind is MUCH more elaborate and may have an actual foldable screen, using a flexible display.
    08-03-2018 02:37 PM
  22. Drael646464's Avatar
    The Samsung is actually using a folding screen. No seam. Andromeda is dead. Microsoft won't bother launching it next to a real folding screen.
    LOL!

    Affordable graphene tech is at least a decade off. There's a major price bottle neck in manufacture. If they use a non-seamed screen, the device will cost 5-10k and no one will buy it. When graphene becomes affordable to produce, it will impact much more than just folding screens, it'll transform technology in general - everything from battery tech, to manufacturing. Things like for example supercapacitor batteries, nanomanufacturing. The day we get even close to that it will be major tech news, and seamless screens will probably be the smallest noise on that day. And you'll hear about it long before then in science news.

    That is absolutely 100 percent not happening. Don't know where you heard it, but they are flat out wrong. If you could be more than 100 percent wrong, they'd be that. Tell whomever said that to do some research and stop dreaming.

    Samsung produced a flexible display over five years ago. The prototype cost around 10k USD to produce and had a screen the size of a few postage stamps. The cost of graphene manufacture hasn't changed since then. Fantasizing about the future, is a universe apart from the realities of technological development.

    This kind of dreaming makes a warditorial look like cynicism. Get a grip.
    Jcmg62, anachrotech and pkcable like this.
    08-04-2018 12:48 AM
  23. vinay12312's Avatar
    yes I think Samsung will become the first brad to discover foldable design screen. they are planning for it from last two years.
    08-04-2018 08:52 AM
  24. Drael646464's Avatar
    I should also note, to those who have been not following the graphene flexible screen story:

    It's a Microsoft and Samsung co-owned patent, developed back in the balmer days. Should the world discover a means of making flexible, seamless screens affordable, not only will both Samsung and Microsoft have access to the technology for the OLED graphene screens, but it's highly probably they'll work together.

    They have a good working relationship, they are both angsty towards google, both "underdogs" in the tech world, windows works better on a bigger screen already (and by the time this happens, it'll be fairly tuned), and they co-developed the screen together. I'd bet money when this comes around, one of the first devices Samsung released will run some variety of windows (maybe one chrome or something else as well though)

    But again, that's awhile off.

    The day graphene becomes easy to manufacture, will usher in an age of new technology that will make the silicon chip blush. It'll come at us thick and fast. "Computer paper" (ie they can actually in the lab make CPUs, circuits and batteries in graphene), ultra high capacity batteries (technically superconductors not batteries) that can fast charge in a minute, and drive trucks and super heavy machinery. Filtration systems for cleaning up the environment, and desalinating ocean water at no energy cost (bringing hydrogen fuel closer and solving the water crisis). Nanomanufacturing, and even printing basic objects like foods, eventually even complex objects like cars and houses eventually. The science is so broad on graphene possibilities, that it makes something like the polymer or silicon chip seem limited.

    That day is not next year. It's not for awhile. When the day comes, you won't hear about it because Samsung released a smartphone. It'll be an explosion of technological excitement. When we get there, graphene will be a pillar of a new technological age.

    This is what Samsung and microsoft, as people who know this technology, are preparing for. They are not releasing seemless folding devices in 2019. No way, no how. But they know it's coming, and they want to be first off the boat - so they are both developing the best currently available imitation, early "betas", in the form of folding screens that minimise visually, the seam.

    NOT btw, because of already shrinking markets in smartphone sales, or some petty OS user war. But because each company wants to be part of the NEXT wave of consumer uptake, they want to be dominant in the future, and this is part of that _long term_ investment.

    Investing in folding screen environments and hardware right now, is like investing in the earlier iterations of VR, or AR. It's not supposed to change the world. It's suppose to hone their game for when the battle is properly here.
    Last edited by Drael646464; 08-04-2018 at 12:18 PM.
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    08-04-2018 12:08 PM
  25. the_moesiah's Avatar
    Isn't it a little premature to talk about who will their product out first? We don't know if Microsoft will ever even relase Andromeda.
    anachrotech likes this.
    08-05-2018 04:13 AM
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