10-23-2013 08:54 AM
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  1. Highdefjunkie's Avatar
    They got just got pulled. I guess they showed too early.

    In short. S2 got a 7.1 and SP2 7.8

    Blah! You'll see the full review tomorrow.
    HeyCori likes this.
    10-20-2013 10:18 PM
  2. alv3st3r's Avatar
    10-21-2013 12:17 AM
  3. HeyCori's Avatar
    Good review. Probably the most fair review the Surface 2 will get.
    10-21-2013 01:20 AM
  4. alv3st3r's Avatar
    Good review. Probably the most fair review the Surface 2 will get.
    I always prefer Anandtech reviews. They do the most detailed review than anyone else and touch almost all the aspects of the product being reviewed whether be it hardware or software.
    HeyCori likes this.
    10-21-2013 01:31 AM
  5. Daylife's Avatar
    The Verge killed the Surface 2 and Pro 2 lol.....Called the Surface 2 laggy and a Tegra 3 a Dual core LMFAO.
    10-21-2013 05:34 AM
  6. Daylife's Avatar
    Look at this fail, I guess this hipster loves his Apple products.

    10-21-2013 05:43 AM
  7. psudotechzealot's Avatar
    So the IPad is better for watching movies/videos than the surface 2? Really? So according to theverge, 4:9 >16:4, when it come to movies/videos?
    luk3ja, Daylife and johnbash612 like this.
    10-21-2013 06:15 AM
  8. HeyCori's Avatar
    Look at this fail, I guess this hipster loves his Apple products.

    While some of his grips are legitimate, I do take issue with his intention to define the Surface for other people. Almost everything he did in that video is in desktop mode, and that's fine, but that's how he choose to use the Surface. There are plenty of people that would love to see the desktop disappear. The Surface 2 can be seen from two perspectives (productivity or general consumption) but he really only focused on one, the productivity aspects, and basically regulated everything else to a footnote. Furthermore, I must also question the reliability of your review when you can't even get the specs right. And saying things like the iPad is better for movies is completely subjective. Who is he to tell other people that letterbox is the superior way to watch movies? In fact, it comes off as a completely unprofessional thing to say and only further illustrates that he was burdened with writing this review and didn't want to take a fair position. I just read the Engadget review, and while she does take some jabs at the Surface, her review is both more fair and doesn't try to skew your opinion to fit one particular perspective. In short, The Verge once again shows their terrible inconsistency with non-Apple products.
    10-21-2013 07:55 AM
  9. Skynetz's Avatar
    10-21-2013 07:59 AM
  10. wapoz's Avatar
    Most the reviews I've seen today have been pretty poor. It's extremely obvious at the lack of actual tech knowledge that most reviewers have. Some gems I've seen today:

    The original surface only had 1gb of ram, Windows 8 did not have a calculator.- Engadget

    Tegra 4 is dual core, too heavy compared to an ipad (it's only .06 grams heavier), the ipad is better for watching Netflix and HD video (they don't explain why).- The Verge

    Pricing and specs completely wrong- gizmodo

    The most hilarious talking point I've seen from every huge reviewer is the lack of a tablet version of Pinterest, Instagram, Snapchat, and Vine- Apps that DO NOT have a tablet version on iOS and Android. They also completely ignore 3rd party tablet versions of those apps. Oh, and they're still complaining that you "can't run x86 apps on it" a year later...
    HeyCori, Daylife, cckgz4 and 1 others like this.
    10-21-2013 08:09 AM
  11. rebornempowered's Avatar
    I am constantly blown away by how bad these reviews are.

    Bad app ecosystem but very few mention IE 11 being a full browser. With being able to run multiple instances of Modern IE 11 it can really be more like an app because you can have it be in it's own window and run certain things in the background. Sure you don't have notifications but who needs a notification for Spotify?
    10-21-2013 08:15 AM
  12. wapoz's Avatar
    I am constantly blown away by how bad these reviews are.

    Bad app ecosystem but very few mention IE 11 being a full browser. With being able to run multiple instances of Modern IE 11 it can really be more like an app because you can have it be in it's own window and run certain things in the background. Sure you don't have notifications but who needs a notification for Spotify?
    According to reviewers, that's a bad thing. Yet Chrome OS only being able to use the browser to access everything is a good thing, because "everything is moving to the (magical) cloud."
    Daylife, xandros9 and MikeSo like this.
    10-21-2013 08:40 AM
  13. Jas00555's Avatar
    I'll give the Verge credit for the fact that some of their complaints are valid (it is kinda awkward to hold the Surface in portrait mode and there are some apps that aren't there), but.... But... HOW THE ACTUAL FLYING F*** CAN THE IPAD BE BETTER FOR MOVIES?!?!
    10-21-2013 09:02 AM
  14. luv2skipow's Avatar
    For an Apple biased site it actually wasn't a bad review at all.
    10-21-2013 10:05 AM
  15. Pete's Avatar
    I happened to read the Gizmodo review this morning. They seem to have made up the headline (One Step Forward, Two Steps Back) before actually writing the review.

    Surface 2 Review: One Step Forward, Two Steps Behind | Gizmodo UK

    In essence, they note minor improvements over Surface RT across the board, but still complain about the lack of apps in the Appl Store (although admitting that the situation is a lot better than last year).


    Still, reviews don't really matter to me. I've been happy with Surface/RT since day one, my experience will only get better with Surface 2 coupled with WinRT 8.1.
    10-21-2013 10:25 AM
  16. gwinegarden's Avatar
    I'll give the Verge credit for the fact that some of their complaints are valid (it is kinda awkward to hold the Surface in portrait mode and there are some apps that aren't there), but.... But... HOW THE ACTUAL FLYING F*** CAN THE IPAD BE BETTER FOR MOVIES?!?!
    Well, it has that cool screen, which it really needs because it has to letterbox the crap out of movies to fit them on that cool screen.
    peacock93 likes this.
    10-21-2013 11:49 AM
  17. onysi's Avatar
    Look at this fail, I guess this hipster loves his Apple products.

    that is david pierce. hes the same tool who reviewed surface rt and knocked it silly. I cant believe theyre still making lame excuses to dump the 2.
    Daylife likes this.
    10-21-2013 12:41 PM
  18. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    I am constantly blown away by how bad these reviews are.

    Bad app ecosystem but very few mention IE 11 being a full browser. With being able to run multiple instances of Modern IE 11 it can really be more like an app because you can have it be in it's own window and run certain things in the background. Sure you don't have notifications but who needs a notification for Spotify?
    Here's why: On an ARM-based system native apps are almost always going to be superior to browser based versions for one specific reason, efficiency. ARM is not a "general purpose CPU" like an x86 chip is. It's designed to run a subset of code very efficiently (remember, ARM is essentially a RISC-based processor architecture). You can optimize for it, which will help with performance and battery life. IE11 is great because it's a full-fledged browser, but that doesn't make it the answer for the missing apps. You also have browsers on all other platforms, but that was never a valid reason to not want the apps. I want native apps on the Surface 2 for the reasons I stated. I can do without them because of IE11 (just like I could on any other platform), but I still want native apps.

    Here's a perfect example. YouTube on WP8. A native app is a much better experience (in more ways than one) than the m.youtube.com that's the current "official solution" right?
    10-21-2013 03:07 PM
  19. Ordeith's Avatar
    Here's why: On an ARM-based system native apps are almost always going to be superior to browser based versions for one specific reason, efficiency. ARM is not a "general purpose CPU" like an x86 chip is. It's designed to run a subset of code very efficiently (remember, ARM is essentially a RISC-based processor architecture). You can optimize for it, which will help with performance and battery life. IE11 is great because it's a full-fledged browser, but that doesn't make it the answer for the missing apps. You also have browsers on all other platforms, but that was never a valid reason to not want the apps. I want native apps on the Surface 2 for the reasons I stated. I can do without them because of IE11 (just like I could on any other platform), but I still want native apps.

    Here's a perfect example. YouTube on WP8. A native app is a much better experience (in more ways than one) than the m.youtube.com that's the current "official solution" right?
    and yet Google forces everyone to use dalvik, ensuring that no app will ever be truly native.
    10-21-2013 03:12 PM
  20. cygnus11's Avatar
    Here's a perfect example. YouTube on WP8. A native app is a much better experience (in more ways than one) than the m.youtube.com that's the current "official solution" right?
    But on the Surface 2/RT the choice is not between mobile sites and custom apps, it is between the full-featured browser sites and apps. In many cases (like YouTupe), the website is arguably better than many specific YouTube apps.

    And also, isn't IE11 optimized to run on ARM for Windows RT? I'm not arguing that Windows RT does not need native apps, but I strongly believe that a full-featured browser with Flash support helps fill the holes when apps are not yet available. And in many cases, being able to go to the website is preferrable to an app.
    MikeSo likes this.
    10-21-2013 03:16 PM
  21. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    and yet Google forces everyone to use dalvik, ensuring that no app will ever be truly native.
    So you're just going to ignore everything else I said, including the benefits of native apps, to take a pot shot at Google because I used a widely known example of the benefits of one method versus the other to illustrate the point I was making?
    10-21-2013 03:20 PM
  22. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    But on the Surface 2/RT the choice is not between mobile sites and custom apps, it is between the full-featured browser sites and apps. In many cases (like YouTupe), the website is arguably better than many specific YouTube apps.

    And also, isn't IE11 optimized to run on ARM for Windows RT? I'm not arguing that Windows RT does not need native apps, but I strongly believe that a full-featured browser with Flash support helps fill the holes when apps are not yet available. And in many cases, being able to go to the website is preferrable to an app.
    Flash isn't going to be as efficient as native apps, regardless of how optimized the browser itself is. IE11 is a huge step forward in performance, though.

    A desktop-class website should be more full-featured than a native app. That doesn't mean it's the best solution, though, as it doesn't address efficiency at all. The only way the browser version of YouTube gets more efficient, for example, is if more efficient codecs get supported and are then defaulted to by the browser itself.
    10-21-2013 03:24 PM
  23. unstoppablekem's Avatar
    So you're just going to ignore everything else I said, including the benefits of native apps, to take a pot shot at Google because I used a widely known example of the benefits of one method versus the other to illustrate the point I was making?
    We know you like Google more, as you are Android Central staff.


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    10-21-2013 03:27 PM
  24. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    We know you like Google more, as you are Android Central staff.


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    Being a member of the team over there has little bearing on the fact that I like the Surface 2/RT a lot, and want it to succeed. The reality is that consumers look for apps in a tablet. Saying "we don't have apps, but we have a browser" isn't the same thing at all. It might just be a marketing bullet point, but it's an important one for the target market. One that needs to be there if people are going to look at it instead of the iPad/numerous Android tablets.
    10-21-2013 03:32 PM
  25. cygnus11's Avatar
    I get your argument about efficiency. But effeciency becomes less of an issue as hardware becomes more powerful.

    The main reason I would prefer a native app is for the interface. If I am on my Surface RT without my keyboard and mouse, I would rather use a native app with a touch-first interface. But on my Windows 8 desktop, i will always use the browser. The website in almost all cases will provide the richest experience. So to summarize my thoughts - if efficiency is not an issue (in other words, the hardware can handle just about everything that modern websites need power-wise), the only time I would chose a native app when both the app and website are available is for the optimized touch interface.

    Apps are absolutely essential on platforms without a full-featured web browser. They are definintely important on Windows RT, but just not as important IMO.
    10-21-2013 03:34 PM
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