[inteller]

Not one of you have mentioned a luxury car that's appeared out of nowhere without being a subsidiary of an already operating car company, that's risen to challenge the likes of Benz or BMW etc.

That's the post I responded to. I'd hardly call not-so-live tiles and "we ran out of time to make a notification center and sorry for the staggered updates. And lackluster nav (or none at all on 8x), random reboots, and vanishing developers. Our bad, sorry!" a luxury appearance, regardless of this miniscule nitpicking of a car analogy.

I'm sure WP8 will come around eventually through sheer dogged persistence if nothing else. I'll take another look at it as a competitive os then. Sticking with a sure bet like ip5 would be the sound course of action as a new buyer at this point in time since that coming around probably won't happen until next upgrade eligibility. You're far more assured of a solid product with assured developer support for the next 2 years with them right now.
By the way, I read back in November that an app purchased on WP8 doesn't also purchase it for an RT tablet and visa versa despite that whole shared kernel idea, is that still the case? If so, that makes MS the only ones who haven't unified app purchases across phone and tablet.

Hey, you were the one who had to devolve to **** poor analogies, then you get pwned and ridicule it and go off topic with WP8 examples? weaksauce dude..

No company has apps that work on both their desktop and mobile OS natively. Your ignorance of such is appalling and as a result your viewpoints matter little.

[omniusovermind]

Hey, you were the one who had to devolve to **** poor analogies, then you get pwned and ridicule it and go off topic with WP8 examples? weaksauce dude..

No company has apps that work on both their desktop and mobile OS natively. Your ignorance of such is appalling and as a result your viewpoints matter little.

I brought it up yep. I was right though. And who was talking about desktops? Way to make a point over something I never even mentioned. You sure showed me! :rolleyes:
God I love it when people fling insults and wind up totally misunderstanding what was talked about. How embarrassing for you.

[omniusovermind]

When iPads were first available they were an unproven technology that carried a lot of criticism...and despite this they were still carrying a premium price, and were still successful in the long run. Pricing the Surface much lower than the watermark for a premium tablet would have a negative impact on the perception of the quality of the device. Of course it would sell insanely better within the tech community which in relative terms is a small group, but the average consumer would see the price and automatically dismiss it as a non-premium device when debating between it and the iPad.

My argument is this: If the price of the Surface is too high, then the price of the iPad was likewise too high when it began...of course we can argue that but the iPad was still successful, and it is far too soon to jump to any conclusions about the Surface.

The big hole in this argument is that Apple is a sure thing right now. WP8 and even more so RT are not. If I was to choose between the 2 for my daily drivers for the next couple of years, knowing what I know about everything I listed 2 posts up, and was standing with money in hand in the store, I would be buying the sure bet.

[StevesBalls]

When iPads were first available they were an unproven technology that carried a lot of criticism...and despite this they were still carrying a premium price, and were still successful in the long run. Pricing the Surface much lower than the watermark for a premium tablet would have a negative impact on the perception of the quality of the device. Of course it would sell insanely better within the tech community which in relative terms is a small group, but the average consumer would see the price and automatically dismiss it as a non-premium device when debating between it and the iPad.

My argument is this: If the price of the Surface is too high, then the price of the iPad was likewise too high when it began...of course we can argue that but the iPad was still successful, and it is far too soon to jump to any conclusions about the Surface.

A very important small detail that you are forgetting - when the iPad came out, there was no tablet market. It was a product that was a first of its kind. They had no (real) competition, they literally created a whole new market. You don't have that luxury today, you have to compete with the iPad and Android tablets. And since you can't compete on the ecosystem front, you HAVE to compete with the price. Google gets that now. Microsoft? Not so much.

[Dewg]

Yesterday I was teaching a few new Surface owner's how to get the most out of the tablet. One of them said exactly what I think MS is going for... she said, "I think I'm going to get a WP8 so that all my devices are the same interface. I'm too old to learn different interfaces for everything." She also wants to get an AIO with Windows 8 at home. I think that's one of the strengths of the new platform. Non tech users would like to have similar interfaces, from tablet to phone to computer. It's an experiment, but one that could win people over in the long run.

[StevesBalls]

Yesterday I was teaching a few new Surface owner's how to get the most out of the tablet. One of them said exactly what I think MS is going for... she said, "I think I'm going to get a WP8 so that all my devices are the same interface. I'm too old to learn different interfaces for everything." She also wants to get an AIO with Windows 8 at home. I think that's one of the strengths of the new platform. Non tech users would like to have similar interfaces, from tablet to phone to computer. It's an experiment, but one that could win people over in the long run.

Yeah, too bad that the W8 and WP8 interfaces are nothing alike (what with the swiping from the sides, top etc.). This is another design aspect where MS completely dropped the ball.

[inteller]

oh yes because running a desktop OS on a little phone screen makes SO much sense!

[petersun21]

A very important small detail that you are forgetting - when the iPad came out, there was no tablet market. It was a product that was a first of its kind. They had no (real) competition, they literally created a whole new market. You don't have that luxury today, you have to compete with the iPad and Android tablets. And since you can't compete on the ecosystem front, you HAVE to compete with the price. Google gets that now. Microsoft? Not so much.

I bought two windows phones last year and I bought my surface RT this year. No one can say that I am a MS hater. I always get the impression that Surface RT is an unfinished product.

[StevesBalls]

I bought two windows phones last year and I bought my surface RT this year. No one can say that I am a MS hater. I always get the impression that Surface RT is an unfinished product.

That's because it is an unfinished product.

[omniusovermind]

oh yes because running a desktop OS on a little phone screen makes SO much sense!

granted, but MS didn't even provide the basic function of having it's phone and tablet running the same apps, both of which are mobile devices.

[inteller]

once again, your ignorance is showing.

[omniusovermind]

once again, your ignorance is showing.

I've been looking for clarification on whether or not an app you buy on WP8 will work on the Surface RT tablet without having to buy it again on the Surface RT. Nobody is willing to touch that question so I took a quick search and turned up a couple of articles that said no, you have to pay for both apps. You're absolutely right, I am 100% ignorant of the correct answer to that question. But there's a slight twist to that. Read on -

I didn't mouth off immaturely like you are. Furthermore I didn't make statements that ended up making ME look ignorant such as "lolol noob, no the desktop windows doesn't work on the phone you noob" only to find out afterwards that nobody said anything about desktop windows 8. Ah but yes, I'm the ignorant one.

:rolleyes:

You are an amusing little fella.

[Dewg]

No one is saying that you're running a desktop OS on a small phone - however the interface (the design) is very similar. If I have a live-tile app, the look and feel of the app on Surface, Windows 8 PC, and Windows Phone 8 are nearly identical. And by syncing many settings between devices, changes made to one device will reflect on the others. That is what may win people over - that feeling of uniformity. As I said - it's an experiment. If it works, it could change the industry. If it fails, it fails. However, notice that no one has said anything about Microsoft copying anything from other companies. That's quite difficult to pull off in this age of patents. Design an interface that does not use any design elements from iOS or Android - but still be functional and give users the ability to customize their experience. Every iPhone and iPad I've seen looks exactly like the next (aside from the background). Not so with WP8 or Surface. Another win for Android in this area as well - the customization of the experience on Android is outstanding. One GS3 does not look identical to the next one.

[Bkr11]

Step away from the keyboard gentlemen - enjoy the holidays.

[woodbane]

^^ LOLZ - BEST post I've seen today!

[vertigoOne]

A very important small detail that you are forgetting - when the iPad came out, there was no tablet market. It was a product that was a first of its kind. They had no (real) competition, they literally created a whole new market. You don't have that luxury today, you have to compete with the iPad and Android tablets. And since you can't compete on the ecosystem front, you HAVE to compete with the price. Google gets that now. Microsoft? Not so much.

How is Microsoft not competing on price? Apple set the price point for premium tablet hardware with very basic software included, Microsoft brought premium tablet hardware and bundled in some significant programs and matched suit on price. I do not see where this is considered a lack of competition.

Most apps available on any tablet in any ecosystem (even the majority of these early windows store apps) are weak attempts at emulating something that is in general easier/faster to accomplish on a desktop or laptop computer, the difference that makes them relevant? Convenience. Microsoft did bring something more than weak emulation to the table with the office products that are INCLUDED with the Surface RT at the same price point as the iPad. They set a new bar, and I for one expect that after some development time is allowed, there will be many more developers bringing big ticket programs to the Surface RT. It is capable hardware and the underpinnings improve month over month.

The big hole in this argument is that Apple is a sure thing right now. WP8 and even more so RT are not. If I was to choose between the 2 for my daily drivers for the next couple of years, knowing what I know about everything I listed 2 posts up, and was standing with money in hand in the store, I would be buying the sure bet.

Nobody is telling you to go out and buy a Surface, so why do you linger here if not to flame and troll? It seems from this comment that the Surface RT is not even in your list of considerations for a tablet, so again, why are you here?

[nokialove]

People that can't handle a little Microsoft criticism are pretty sad.

That being said I just ordered an unopened 32GB Surface with Touch Cover for $565 on Ebay. Very excited. Will be quite bummed if the price drops soon, though.

[omniusovermind]

How is Microsoft not competing on price? Apple set the price point for premium tablet hardware with very basic software included, Microsoft brought premium tablet hardware and bundled in some significant programs and matched suit on price. I do not see where this is considered a lack of competition.

Most apps available on any tablet in any ecosystem (even the majority of these early windows store apps) are weak attempts at emulating something that is in general easier/faster to accomplish on a desktop or laptop computer, the difference that makes them relevant? Convenience. Microsoft did bring something more than weak emulation to the table with the office products that are INCLUDED with the Surface RT at the same price point as the iPad. They set a new bar, and I for one expect that after some development time is allowed, there will be many more developers bringing big ticket programs to the Surface RT. It is capable hardware and the underpinnings improve month over month.



Nobody is telling you to go out and buy a Surface, so why do you linger here if not to flame and troll? It seems from this comment that the Surface RT is not even in your list of considerations for a tablet, so again, why are you here?

Because all of my criticism is part of the original post. You lost sight of that once you strapped on your anger pants. If the Surface RT did drop in price I might consider it.
I never thought for a minute that my point of view woud be popular but the sad over sensitivity about 4 of you have in regards to an electronic device isn't on my "care" list. Don't like it? Don't read it. Ignore me. You have the ability to choose either option. Nobody's FORCING you to get all upset. If you can't control your emotions that's hardly my responsibility.

[palandri]

This thread is going nowhere fast. Closed.