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  1. techiedude007's Avatar

    I hope the price cut of the Surface helps it become more widespread... I think it's definitely more useful than an ipad or android tablet, that's for sure.
    When I was buying my L1020 at the local MS Store, I overheard one of the sales associates tell a mgr that they only had three RTs left. I personally saw them sell about ten while I was going thru the upgrade process. Yay!!!
    07-31-2013 08:38 PM
  2. inteller's Avatar
    sounds like all the whining developers better brush up on their WinRT skills.
    07-31-2013 08:54 PM
  3. techiedude007's Avatar
    I saw this blog post the other day and just had to exclaim "Hallelujah!" Someone finally put into words/blog form what needed to be said:

    Surface RT & Windows RT REAL Review: PLEASE, Tell me WHY a Windows RT Tablet should run Windows Legacy Applications !!

    ...the sky has parted and the light has been let in...

    certainly an interesting take from a business perspective:
    Yahoo! Finance

    And now this one:
    OMG! They're using Windows RT! | ZDNet

    Somebody better kneel over the body and check the pulse cuz she ain't dead yet!
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    08-02-2013 09:00 AM
  4. thecaringkind's Avatar
    Good yahoo article. Thanks for the link. Makes good points about a software company trying to break into the tablet space with a product that is solid on the hardware front, flexible in the peripheral & storage front and very capable in the OS front. For a first time built from the ground up tablet the SRT is an outstanding device that has gotten much better in the 9-10 months of its existence. It will continue to get better.
    The overall picture is amazing when you take a moment to consider it. Its Microsoft's FIRST attempt at a viable tablet. The hardware and software are very good with the software supporting the FULL VERSION of Windows Office. The processor is more than adequate. Blazing? No. Very good considering the OS it runs? Yes.
    Windows 8.1 will continue to improve an already solid product. The fact that the device didn't sell as well as Microsoft would have liked lays squarely on the shoulders of HORRIBLE marketing, and SERIOUS OVERPRODUCTION of the SRT. Overpricing the device coupled with the previous two factors add up to low sales, and a $900 billion write down on the business side.
    No matter how good or bad a product may be remember that they don't sell themselves. Microsoft proved that they can produce a solid device for the tablet space. They also proved that they couldn't sell ice cubes to an eskimo.
    08-02-2013 10:57 AM
  5. mmccaffe's Avatar
    Thanks for this Thread. I have a RT 64 with Touch keyboard. It is easy to hate Microsoft because they have a history of bad practices and poor quality, and I will just leve it to that. I am not, and never been, a Microsoft fan and run mostly Linux on my PC's, Laptops, Servers. Microsoft totally mis-marketed this device and over priced it at roll out. The hate for Microsoft and Windows 8 enhanced the the hate for RT. (I have other tablets and still like and use them also)

    The only thing with Windows 8 RT that I "Hate" with it is the lack of good applications (they need more good applications) in the MS Store, which I believe will get better over time.

    Like like Surface RT because:
    The more I use the RT tablet the more impressed I am.
    The built in kickstand makes it very comfortable to use and skype with.
    The battery life is great.
    I use it connected to my TV (1080P) for streaming video to my TV. The browser works great.
    I can map drives to my network shares easily.
    The Touch keyboard is nice.
    The screen is bright and clear.
    Makes a great RDP terminal, which I use to connect to my and my works computers. So I have access to all my current PC applications, make this tablet just like a netbook.

    -Marty-
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    08-16-2013 11:14 AM
  6. Leahtt's Avatar
    So ... so far so good. My only gripe, and it is minor ... I bought the RT sight unseen, and I hadn't realised just how tiny the fonts on the desktop were! They can be a stretch for my eyes.
    I have poor eyesight, am very close to buying a Surface RT after reading this on another thread:
    To customise font size on display
    Five usability tips for Microsoft's Surface RT | How To - CNET
    08-16-2013 11:31 PM
  7. cckgz4's Avatar
    I'm seriously considering buying this, especially at the new price it's at now. I need a pc/laptop that will last more than 2 hours off the charger, so I need to investigate to see if this meets that need. I'm not worried about installing legacy or third party apps due to the fact that we have a TON of laptops in this household that are on Windows 7.
    08-17-2013 01:52 AM
  8. accasey's Avatar
    At the current price I am almost considering buying another one. I have had an RT for about 8 months, and haven't regretted. I do not really notice any performance issues. I am very happy with it.. I'd get the 64gb version though, its always nice not to have to worry about disk space!
    08-17-2013 04:29 PM
  9. offyoutoddle's Avatar
    The press keep banging this drum, but truth is I haven't met anyone who has used RT who hates it. Marketing failures do not equate to a bad product. MS will stick to this with their usual bullishness I expect which will see it through. Keep trying boys, whatever your reasons are - you can't make it a bad product just by saying it is to anyone who will listen.
    08-17-2013 05:15 PM
  10. jlzimmerman's Avatar
    I have poor eyesight, am very close to buying a Surface RT after reading this on another thread:
    To customise font size on display
    Five usability tips for Microsoft's Surface RT | How To - CNET
    Nice link.
    08-19-2013 06:53 AM
  11. T Moore's Avatar
    Hate? Overused strong word. What is left after that?
    08-19-2013 07:06 AM
  12. loribinca's Avatar
    The press keep banging this drum, but truth is I haven't met anyone who has used RT who hates it. Marketing failures do not equate to a bad product. MS will stick to this with their usual bullishness I expect which will see it through. Keep trying boys, whatever your reasons are - you can't make it a bad product just by saying it is to anyone who will listen.
    I thought it was crap until I came to terms with what it can (and more importantly cannot) do - I must admit I made some (I would say valid) assumptions about the device, and I was let down when they turned out to be not there ( It's for touch and not inking - even capacitive pens don't work on this thing like they do on an iPad - that and the lack of Cisco VPN almost had me shelving it.

    I ended up buying a type cover and using RDP to my desktop to run apps - of course in typical MS fashion they cripple remoteApps in Windows 8 (You need enterprise version to do that - asinine MS - just enable it across the board)

    So with the type cover and RDP, I do actually use the thing now.
    08-19-2013 12:00 PM
  13. rav16's Avatar
    @ all

    Very nice thread and very useful insights shared .

    One common statement I hear from rt owners is , the surface is great but it is not perfect .

    Now what that means ? What exactly you all mean when you say its not perfect ?

    I use a windows phone since launched and very happy with what if offers . Have a iPad as my tablet happy with it too , but I want to try a nokia tablet or surface rt tablet now for a change .
    08-22-2013 11:58 AM
  14. Michael Alan Goff's Avatar
    @ all

    Very nice thread and very useful insights shared .

    One common statement I hear from rt owners is , the surface is great but it is not perfect .

    Now what that means ? What exactly you all mean when you say its not perfect ?

    I use a windows phone since launched and very happy with what if offers . Have a iPad as my tablet happy with it too , but I want to try a nokia tablet or surface rt tablet now for a change .
    It means that there are flaws, which I assume anyone here could list them.
    08-22-2013 04:14 PM
  15. tgp's Avatar
    The press keep banging this drum, but truth is I haven't met anyone who has used RT who hates it.
    I haven't met anyone with one who hates it either, but neither have I met anyone who has one who would buy another. It's too high priced and too limited in functionality. One of my friends used his a lot... until he get a Galaxy Note II. Now his RT collects dust. Another one is a Microsoft MVP, in other fields, and he says the RT doesn't do enough to be worth it.
    08-22-2013 05:43 PM
  16. Derausgewanderte's Avatar
    as I wrote in my previous post, initially everybody mocked me at work. There are two colleagues now that just purchased a Surface RT after the price drop. One of them is advocating it to others and is very impressed - makes my day when I see him in the hallway explaining to somebody else what he has and how well it works. He is a Mac person and used iPads before. He now says the iPad is a toy compared to the Surface RT, which allows him to actually get work done. He is a research group leader and is trying to get more for the branch. The tablet pilot program didn't go so well with several devices including the iPad and they dropped the idea of using tablets in the lab for now. I strongly believe that they would change their minds if they ever tried the Surface RT. For that it was a little late, but I believe in the future this will change.

    The notion that the Surface RT is too expensive is in my opinion a result of the common believe that Microsoft must be cheap. Nobody has any problems paying $500-600 for an iPad but at the same time many of the same people claim that MS should sell the Surface RT for under $200. I believe that a lot are underestimating the hardware and build quality of the Surface RT and are overestimating the quality of the iPad. It has become a status symbol. To change that will take more than a year or two. I think it's a good move by MS to offer these to schools at a much reduced price and once they get some traction among students more and more people will realize that there are a lot of advantages in using the Surface RT as a homework and research tool.
    rav16 likes this.
    08-22-2013 09:12 PM
  17. calfee20's Avatar
    Here is another pro SurfaceRT article from Zdnet: Back to school with technology's perfect tablet: The Microsoft Surface | ZDNet

    If you want to see some hate just scroll down to the comments.
    Derausgewanderte likes this.
    08-22-2013 09:25 PM
  18. Derausgewanderte's Avatar
    cool, thanks for the link.
    08-22-2013 09:30 PM
  19. nlcbryan's Avatar
    I have a surface RT 8.1. What i can say about the good sides are:
    1. Able to run office
    2. windows explorer - i can access files easily
    3. USB - most devices work. I can print too
    4. Integrated stand and keyboard


    For the bad sides:
    1. It is still sluggish at times
    2. IE11 is a pain - browsing through facebook website is super slow and crashes..youtube too. And many websites that are incompatible
    3. apps are bad


    Other than these, im happy with RT..IE11 has to be fixed though its too slow
    08-26-2013 08:21 PM
  20. Derausgewanderte's Avatar
    I have a surface RT 8.1. What i can say about the good sides are: 2. IE11 is a pain - browsing through facebook website is super slow and crashes..youtube too. And many websites that are incompatible
    Other than these, im happy with RT..IE11 has to be fixed though its too slow
    try this, it sped up IE both on 8.1 and 8.0 for me especially with sites that use a lot of flash ads.
    http://forums.windowscentral.com/sur...ml#post2087459
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    08-26-2013 09:20 PM
  21. garak0410's Avatar
    I have a surface RT 8.1. What i can say about the good sides are:
    1. Able to run office
    2. windows explorer - i can access files easily
    3. USB - most devices work. I can print too
    4. Integrated stand and keyboard


    For the bad sides:
    1. It is still sluggish at times
    2. IE11 is a pain - browsing through facebook website is super slow and crashes..youtube too. And many websites that are incompatible
    3. apps are bad


    Other than these, im happy with RT..IE11 has to be fixed though its too slow
    I can echo the sluggish part. I like top stream our home video collection from my main PC to the XBOX 360. Using an RT device is not ideal as it renders the video on the Surface then to the 360 and it never plays without caching. :(
    08-27-2013 02:13 PM
  22. Onager1286's Avatar
    The Surface RT is a good device, but I'll be the first to say that the performance is disappointing for a device that carries a premium price. Sometimes it takes a good 5 seconds for a tab in IE to close.
    08-27-2013 02:40 PM
  23. ramonq619's Avatar
    I bought mine on launch date and I love it. It does everything I need and has Microsoft office. The only thing I hate is the app selection but I mostly do everything on the web anyways. I'm my opinion its light years away from the iPad. Do more for less money
    08-27-2013 02:43 PM
  24. baloo247's Avatar
    I think the initial mistake with the Windows RT was the name and the price.

    1. Price - HP made the same mistake with the touchpad, which I owned and loved. The IPad can sell for it's price becuase as a content consuming device it has the content. Windows RT currently is limited in this respect. We then run into a chicken and egg situation, how do we get content without developers believing the sales potential is there. With this in mind Microsoft should have taken a hit on the initial price, the current price is what it should have initially been released for. This was they get the sales in, the user base is present and developers will produce the apps.

    2. The Name - My wife runs IT for her school and she just purchased 20 Surface RTs as a result of the Microsoft education deal. The one remark all her colleagues say is that "it's windows, why can't I install windows apps??". Microsoft should have called it something different, maybe just RT, this way by name it's a differentiated product.

    So my opinions on the device -

    1. Lag, slowness, delay: I've been playing with my wifes for sometime and I have to say an excellent product, and I haven't experienced any issues. We all have to remember that this is a 1st Gen product so it may have a few niggles. Remember the iphone not having copy and paste, or the ipad not having true multitasking.
    2. Multitasking - excellent, what can I say. We've got one other RT running 8.1, and the dual screenn mode, dual app on one screen modes are excellent.
    3. Office - Excellent, not more I can say. Works really well.
    4. Hardware - excellent quality, really really good.
    5. Multiple User accounts and family friendly security features - For the education market this device is perfect. You can have multiple user accounts, share apps between users and it provides parental controls to limit applicaiton usage, device usaged based on time and a whole host of other features. This is out of the box, something the Ipad and Android just doesn't have.
    6 Full USB Support and device support - plug in a keyboard or pendrive. Case rested.

    Overall I think it's an excellent product that deserves its place in the market. It's an content consuming device, we need to remember that's the use case for tablets. Content creation, though not limited to tables, is a secondary services.

    Apps .... the dreaded lack of apps -

    When people say to me there's no apps my first response is, what's the purpose of apps? why did apps even come about in the first place?

    Apps essentially provide a touch friendly delivery method for mobile websites or desktop applications. Now RT has IE10, it's not the best browser in the world but it is a FULLY fledged browser, with full flash experience. So for example, there is no Spotify app on RT but you can use the web based Spoitfy function in IE10. The point is for most missing apps just use the website. It works and you probably get more functionality. I will not deny that apps are better. The UI is specific to a touch centric device, but in the interim IE10 also works.

    I'm very PRO the surfact RT. I think it's an excellent device. As a content consuming device it just needs more content specific to the device. This will come with time.
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    08-30-2013 12:35 AM
  25. chrislamuk's Avatar
    I have just listened to some podcasts with Kevin Tofal from gigaom.

    He's not a liker of the RT and sights the lack of apps as a reason not to use it, however the guy can justify paying $1000+ for a chromebook pixel! As far as I can see (and having used one) the chromebook only has one app - the browser!
    09-07-2013 07:14 AM
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