10-19-2012 08:51 PM
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  1. Coreldan's Avatar
    Why? You can get an Acer full blown Win8 tab for half that price.
    Just my opinion, but Surface and nothing that comes from Acer do not wrestle in the same league (or probably even same sport..) when it comes to something like build quality and materials.

    The W510 was somewhat intrigueing, but it being from Acer is the biggest problem. I read some article from a guy who got a W510 to use for a week and said like performance wise the device is really nice, but the hinges are the devices biggest problem, as I suspected.

    Well, for Pro it might be different cos I suppose one would use it a bit differently than the RT, but it isnt about price or "full blown OS". The Acers dont sport even closely as amazing and genious design as the Surface. I would rather not get a Win 8 tablet than get anything else but Surface.

    This sounds really fanboy'ish, I know, but before Surface I had zero interest for tablets and I still dont. The design of Surface is spot on for my use and needs and it's hard to settle for anything other than what Surface is. If someone copies the idea and makes basically a 1:1 device for cheaper, that'll do too, but until I get the design very very similar to Surface, I'm not interested.
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    10-16-2012 01:35 PM
  2. inteller's Avatar
    sorry I buy my devices based on price and functionality, not how well they make a table centerpiece. industrial design is overrated with throw away electronics. all the vapormag clicky bull**** in the world will not justify Apple prices.
    10-16-2012 01:39 PM
  3. Coreldan's Avatar
    sorry I buy my devices based on price and functionality, not how well they make a table centerpiece. industrial design is overrated with throw away electronics. all the vapormag clicky bull**** in the world will not justify Apple prices.
    I don't buy them for table centerpiece either, but I also want devices that look and feel good to me, which is why I can't even consider Samsung smartphones. Something that I use so much such as my phone, it really has to be pleasing to my eyes and hands.

    I do understand your ideology though and I do that myself too in some genres (I compete in practical shooting and most of my weapons are just butt ugly, but cheap, reliable and accurate), but somehow gadgets for me are in a different league in which I want premium design and quality.

    That said, I have too many bad experiences with Acer products. The price would have to be a lot lower for the W510 for me to not cringe at buying an Acer and most likely making some level of a bad investment. Naturally one can argue that Surface is a bad investment but this once again comes down to what one values and prefers, just like with phones. For someone Lumia 920 is the thing, for someone else Samsung Ativ is the thing. For you the Acers seem suitable, for me not so much :D But isn't it great to have choices instead of having like.. Apple have a monopoly on the device?
    10-16-2012 01:43 PM
  4. soulzero's Avatar
    Some Sweet spot... Why didn't they reveal the pricing sooner? What was the big secret?
    10-16-2012 02:55 PM
  5. Reflexx's Avatar
    Acer sucks when it comes to reliablity.

    This article a little old, but Acer hasn't really changed. Laptop Reliability Ratings: Which Laptop is Really Most Reliable?
    10-16-2012 03:18 PM
  6. Coreldan's Avatar
    I'm just really worried Finland wont see Surface.. I asked a US customer support dude and he said at least the US version cant change language to anything but english. If it's the same for european version, that means I cant even really order it from some other country (UK doesnt ship outside UK and no scandic keys).

    I know I'm overreacting here when my country (and most countries) werent listed in this first wave of preorders, but the special nature of the Surface has me worried. It's clear that your run of the mill Acer product comes here, but Surface which is sort of a "reference device in small'ish quantities" might not be a no brainer to have here. I've been bombarding MS Finland and Germany with emails, hopefully getting some answers to relieve my pain! :D

    The Acer W510, despite not even close to the build quality doesnt seem too bad except for the hinge.. It would have the pro side of the keyboard dock doubling battery life and a full Win 8, but I'll still take Surface RT any day over that.. But if Finland wont be seeing Surface, I just might have to, meh.
    Dr. Impossible likes this.
    10-16-2012 03:34 PM
  7. inteller's Avatar
    at this point it is worth waiting to see what Nokia might issue in regards of an RT tablet. The market is wide open for them to release a 7" iPad mini competitor now.
    10-17-2012 07:35 AM
  8. dula714's Avatar
    Sorry Microsoft, it is too expensive for a student like me. I was expecting it to be around $350. I thought Steve Ballmer was telling the true price when he said it will be priced from $300-$800. Oh well... I will wait for a sale or wait for the rumoured Nokia tablets.
    10-17-2012 08:21 PM
  9. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    I gotta do more reading on what the RT can and cannot do. I expected it to be around 350 - 400. But if devs hit homeruns with the apps, it'll be worth it.

    I'm forcing myself to wait for the Pro models.
    10-17-2012 08:27 PM
  10. stephen_az's Avatar
    I think the pricing of the RT is very disappointing. It's priced as high as an iPad 3 which has twice the resolution and what I assume has a more powerful processor (even the kindle fire hd 8.9 has a 1920x1200 display for far less). If they would have thrown in the touch type for $500 I think that would have been a decent price.

    With that said I am willing to pay $900-$1000 for a Surface Pro because it runs the full OS, but if it gets higher than that I may pass.
    Actually, the assumptions regarding the iPad are classic examples of people assuming it must have higher specs since it is an Apple product. The iPad does not have a more powerful processor. It also does not have a MicroSDXC slot or USB port (it has none at all), touchtype cover, or even comparable internal wifi antennas. Yes, it has a super high resolution screen but I have yet to find anyone who can demonstrate a current use for it other than look at images that often have their own limitations that mean you are still seeing them at their lower native resolution. Yes, an iPad is a nice device but it is not the high end as far as technology other than that screen....
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    10-17-2012 08:36 PM
  11. Dr. Impossible's Avatar
    Here's my 'What' of the current situation:

    After reading AAAALLLLL of this 'stuff' about the Surface the last 2 days I really feel it is a great value, in fact I feel like everything that has been announced is priced well. Priced to sell? Maybe not, but I think so. The reason is that when I look at specs, what is being offered compared to price seems right, not overblown, but then not really any amazing 'deals' either. And I feel this way about the Acer's, Samsung's, Surface, etc.

    IMO with the amount of ports, the stand, the cameras, and pre-loaded software, I think the price is way better than the same priced/entry level iPad and it's way more of a value. I'll be able to use this Tab as my portable for work which is incredible; small, light, powerful, great software, beautifullly designed, etc.

    Now, all that being said, I'll add 2 more things.

    I think if they reeeeeeaalllyy wanted to blow the roof off, they would have released the base model at $399.00. I think anything else is too low. The only problem that I see with that, that has already been mentioned but i'll say again, is that any lower than where they are and then they would really be risking alienating, upsetting, insert word of choice, their partners, which is probably not the smartest thing at this point in time. It benefits MS to continue to have partners make hardware and for they themselves to as well. There's plenty for everyone, the relationships are already there, why nuke it?

    Summary: I think it is all priced well and I'm gonna pick one up at an MS store when I go away on the 3rd. The Mall with said store is conveniently right on the way to my weekend vacation destination. Yay!


    Thanks

    -Doc
    dharmababa likes this.
    10-17-2012 09:01 PM
  12. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    Where's the link proving which is better? Processor wise.
    10-17-2012 09:01 PM
  13. Dr. Impossible's Avatar
    Where's the link proving which is better? Processor wise.
    Didn't really read it as I know you like your links fast.....But it looked cool!! ;)

    Microsoft Surface for Windows RT vs. Apple iPad -Tablets

    Thanks

    -Doc
    10-17-2012 09:11 PM
  14. ljkelley's Avatar
    Where's the link proving which is better? Processor wise.
    Do a search on Tegra 3 vs A5X benchmarks and you'll find that the Tegra 3 is a better processor but the A5X is better at graphics. Of course the iPad with its high resolution needs good graphics. The A5x is dual core with quad core graphics. The Tegra 3 is quad core.
    10-17-2012 09:17 PM
  15. kregstrong's Avatar
    Anyone else worried about the screen resolution? Or think it will be fine?

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    10-17-2012 09:23 PM
  16. sporosarcina's Avatar
    I cannot believe the replies here...
    The Surface RT is priced as a premium RT tablet, the top of the line for the class. As such it is right in line with the premium Android tablets and less than the iPads. If you want a cheap RT, wait for the OEM to produce their cheap knockoffs. That is the beauty of Windows (and Android), no one company is producing everything so there is differentiation. The Surface is MS way of say "this is the goal you guys should aspire to, you want to cut corners and make it cheaper, feel free but here is the peak." The build quality alone is orders above the plastic crap you will get from Acer, Samsung and Asus (though they have the best shot of a decent one). I gladly bought the 64GB version on preorder (black on black is fine with me).

    As to "I could get a full OS on Acer for the same price," grow up. There is no way an Atom is going to be doing that much graphically speaking (look at the GPU specs for the Atom compared the Tegra 3) so you are not going to be running X86 games in there. Yeah Hondo is coming, but it will suck 4 times the power of the Atom and maybe hit 6 hours battery life, you might as well get a iCore at that point. The programming paradigm is shifting, people like Apps (hence the success of iPad), they like not having to worry about installs and such. MS is smart in moving this direction to keep the PC relevant. The idea that everything you really need won't be in the marketplace within a decent amount of time is foolish. The WP marketplace is pushing 100,000 apps in under two years and has good coverage, do you think the company that controls over 90% of the desktops is going to let this experiment fail.

    Take the recently released Adobe Photoshop Touch App for iOS. Look at the UI of that App, it is in METRO! Adobe already probably is testing their apps for WinRT right now.

    I'll go out on a limb and predict that within a year and half we will see an OEM produce a cheap ($250) 7-9 in WinRT tablet to satisfy the "budget" market.
    dharmababa likes this.
    10-17-2012 09:24 PM
  17. sentimentGX4's Avatar
    (look at the GPU specs for the Atom compared the Tegra 3)
    Please, enlighten us.
    10-17-2012 09:49 PM
  18. crystal_planet's Avatar
    Please, enlighten us.
    Well, I have an Atom powered netbook with two gb of ram and even though I haven't received my Surface yet, I'll guarantee you it will run circles around my atom powered device.

    (Yeah I know, "Apples to Oranges")
    10-17-2012 09:57 PM
  19. camptime's Avatar
    This screen resolution war reminds me of the pixel war the camera manufactures have been going through for years. Its all a joke, instead of looking to enhance the technology and supply new innovative and efficient ways to improve the product they give us more pixels and say this is the new innovation we came up with.

    Just wonder how those that want even higher resolution devices must feel about the sub stander picture on their 50 inch 1920X1080 televisions. (4K anyone)
    10-17-2012 10:10 PM
  20. kregstrong's Avatar
    This screen resolution war reminds me of the pixel war the camera manufactures have been going through for years. Its all a joke, instead of looking to enhance the technology and supply new innovative and efficient ways to improve the product they give us more pixels and say this is the new innovation we came up with.

    Just wonder how those that want even higher resolution devices must feel about the sub stander picture on their 50 inch 1920X1080 televisions. (4K anyone)
    That's a great point about the 1080p 50 inch TV's lol. U eased my mind about the surface, thanks bro


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    10-17-2012 10:15 PM
  21. VagrantWade's Avatar
    Anyone who thinks they need 1080p or higher on a display this small, has absolutely no idea what they are talking about. Even worse, now people think they need 1080p on a 5 inch smartphone.
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    10-17-2012 10:19 PM
  22. wpguy's Avatar
    Anyone who thinks they need 1080p or higher on a display this small, has absolutely no idea what they are talking about. Even worse, now people think they need 1080p on a 5 inch smartphone.
    I agree, 1080p is a bit wasted on a phone. But when I remote in to a workstation or a server from a 10" screen, the more pixels the better. The less scrolling I have to do, the faster I can disconnect and get on with the rest of my day.
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    10-17-2012 11:19 PM
  23. Grimlock's Avatar
    Actually, the assumptions regarding the iPad are classic examples of people assuming it must have higher specs since it is an Apple product. The iPad does not have a more powerful processor. It also does not have a MicroSDXC slot or USB port (it has none at all), touchtype cover, or even comparable internal wifi antennas. Yes, it has a super high resolution screen but I have yet to find anyone who can demonstrate a current use for it other than look at images that often have their own limitations that mean you are still seeing them at their lower native resolution. Yes, an iPad is a nice device but it is not the high end as far as technology other than that screen....
    I didn't assume it was more powerful just because it was an Apple product. I vaguely recalled the A5X being more powerful than the Tegra 3- which wasn't that crazy since it had better gpu performance.

    The reason I mentioned components was that I was trying to figure out why the surface rt costs so much. The $200 nexus 7 has a Tegra 3 and some have said the processesor in the $300 kindle fire HD is even more powerful. I mentioned screens mainly because those are typically the single most expensive component and by today's standards the Surface RT screen is not the latest and greatest. The usb port, memory card slot, and wifi antennas are not going to increase the cost that much; my only guess is that the high build quality and materials is what drove up the cost. I'm all for the super-sturdy design but if they could have included the touch cover for $500 I think they would have been a solid deal. When we justify the high price without having all of the latest tech and features then we end up sounding like the apple crowd.

    I fully agree that the high resolution of the iPad 3 is mostly wasted on the device. While it enhances the reading experience it makes no sense to double resolution and still have the same amount of icons on the home screen. That's one of many reasons why I don't like iOS and am going with W8/WP8.
    Last edited by Teetu; 10-18-2012 at 12:09 AM.
    10-17-2012 11:49 PM
  24. VagrantWade's Avatar
    I agree, 1080p is a bit wasted on a phone. But when I remote in to a workstation or a server from a 10" screen, the more pixels the better. The less scrolling I have to do, the faster I can disconnect and get on with the rest of my day.
    My work computer reverts to my resolution when I remote in. Makes it much easier.
    10-18-2012 12:33 AM
  25. CJ Thunder's Avatar
    1080p on 10 inch is noticeable.

    I have decided to wait for Surface 2 as I want an RT 1080p tablet. I will be watching, reading and typing on this device, not gaming...so this will be perfect. I hope Surface 2 will come out and have that screen, at least, and gps and NFC. Then I will be set.

    Though still waiting on full specs of pro...
    10-19-2012 06:38 PM
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