02-09-2016 08:02 PM
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  1. vhl71's Avatar
    Just bought a Lumia 950 from MS store. Liking it so far except for my first windows phone I still think $800 canadian is too much.

    Should I return this and get a mint condition used 830 for $200? Would I see a big dip in performance? Plus 830 is an old phone but im not into games or apps much. I primarily use my phone dor talk,text email and browsing.

    Will 830 be good enough for me? I only need a phone that's 5-5.2" big. So anything xl is not foe me.

    Please give your thoughts
    01-22-2016 12:21 PM
  2. worldspy99's Avatar
    Instead of the 830, I would suggest you get a Lumia 640 and save some more money. Good luck.
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    01-22-2016 12:42 PM
  3. vhl71's Avatar
    Instead of the 830, I would suggest you get a Lumia 640 and save some more money. Good luck.
    I thought 830 is more of an upgrade mid range phone whereas the 640 is low end?? Again right now, i've got the 950 and liking it. But dont want to see a big performance downgrade..
    01-22-2016 12:49 PM
  4. worldspy99's Avatar
    I thought 830 is more of an upgrade mid range phone whereas the 640 is low end?? Again right now, i've got the 950 and liking it. But dont want to see a big performance downgrade..
    Screen is better on the 640 and the processor and RAM are identical. Camera is better on the 830 but not worth the difference in price at least in the USA.
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    01-22-2016 01:04 PM
  5. gordonfink's Avatar
    I think you get about the same performance with the 640 and 830. The 830 has dedicated back, search, and windows keys, whereas they are onscreen with the 640. The 830 has a dedicated camera button, but the 640 does not. I think the 830 has OIS, but the 640 does not. Also, you get a few more megapixels with the 830.

    I have daily driven both the 640 and the 830. There is no doubt that the 950 is two steps up performance wise, but you'd be fine with either one. Also - install W10 on either before you put all of your personal stuff on it, and I think you'll feel like you're still using the 950. Some apps won't as fast to launch (camera and messaging), but you won't hate it either.

    Here in the US, the 640 is almost free now. That being the case, and those little differences above, the 640 is a great option.

    if they are more comparable in price for you, then get the 830. But, $50 (640) vs $200 (830) I think is the point worldspy was making.
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    01-22-2016 02:36 PM
  6. vhl71's Avatar
    In Canada, MS store doesnt sell 640 anymore. Only 640XL..On Kijiji, I can get both 640 and 830 - 830 is only about $50 more than the 640. Should I get the 830?
    01-22-2016 03:36 PM
  7. gordonfink's Avatar
    In Canada, MS store doesnt sell 640 anymore. Only 640XL..On Kijiji, I can get both 640 and 830 - 830 is only about $50 more than the 640. Should I get the 830?
    If it's only $50, I'd probably get the 830. I'd say the camera upgrades are probably worth that. I know worldspy favored the 640 screen, but I don't see much difference.

    These two phones feel different when you hold them. I can't tell you which is better. The 830 has an aluminum frame, so it feels a little more premium. The flip side of that is you need to use at least a gel case or the sides get marked up pretty quickly. I used an Incipio Octane case, and it was great for that phone.

    The 640 has the plastic back. I don't use a case with the 640. I've dropped it a few times, and it seems to hold up.

    Since they're not in your hands, I don't know if it will help you much, but I have one of each at the moment, and can post a side--side of the front, back, and side it you think it'll help you.

    Do you have Best Buy there? They are selling 640's here for $48.
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    01-22-2016 05:25 PM
  8. raycpl's Avatar
    I don't own a 640 but has handled it briefly. Very decent. If the price difference is low, get the 830 over the 640. You'll have a dedicated physical button for a obviously better main camera. I didn't compare the front camera but I know the 830 FFC is poor.

    The 640 has a lower (8GB) memory, fewer sensor cores and no wireless charging unlike the 830 so keep that in mind. The 830 is gorgeously design and feels great. Its chassis is aluminium... so be careful, it will flex. Mine orange unit is already slightly bent.
    01-22-2016 06:28 PM
  9. gordonfink's Avatar
    that Incipio case I referenced adds quite a bit of rigidity and support in a very lightweight package. Well worth it for the 830. Mine was clear so it didn't detract much.

    The 830 is gorgeously design and feels great. Its chassis is aluminium... so be careful, it will flex. Mine orange unit is already slightly bent.
    01-22-2016 10:17 PM
  10. CanadianGuy_eH's Avatar
    Just bought a Lumia 950 from MS store. Liking it so far except for my first windows phone I still think $800 canadian is too much.

    Should I return this and get a mint condition used 830 for $200? Would I see a big dip in performance? Plus 830 is an old phone but im not into games or apps much. I primarily use my phone dor talk,text email and browsing.

    Will 830 be good enough for me? I only need a phone that's 5-5.2" big. So anything xl is not foe me.

    Please give your thoughts
    I been a proud owner of a Lumia 830 for nearly four months now and don't regret it.

    It's great camera wise, screen has that glossy glass reflective look too.

    So far no real regrets. Got mine through TELUS.
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    01-22-2016 10:29 PM
  11. raycpl's Avatar
    that Incipio case I referenced adds quite a bit of rigidity and support in a very lightweight package. Well worth it for the 830. Mine was clear so it didn't detract much.
    I came from a 920, which went naked.. old habits die hard I suppose. Haha
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    01-23-2016 12:36 AM
  12. HeyCori's Avatar
    Recently downgraded from a 1520 to the 830. Not liking the smaller battery but still enjoying the device. It feels great in the hand and the design is very memorable. The camera isn't up to the level of the 950 (few cameras are) but the camera still holds its own. If someone gave me a 950 for free, I would definitely upgrade. However, the 830 is (IMO) a better value at $200 than the 950 is at $800.
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    01-23-2016 10:18 AM
  13. vhl71's Avatar
    Other option im considering is the HTC m9. I know it's Android) the sense UI is supposed to be a kot better than the other ones like touchwiz etc.

    I can get one for about $400 Canadian

    Sent from mTalk
    01-23-2016 10:28 AM
  14. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    The 830 is a bad phone. You'd miss out on W10M until that's released, and when it it, you'd see a big performance hit. The 830's chip tested as on-par with that of the 920, which was released in 2012. You'd be talking about 3 years' worth of performance difference from the 830 to 950, while also losing Continuum, the superior camera, W10M, and long-term support.
    01-24-2016 08:20 AM
  15. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    Other option im considering is the HTC m9. I know it's Android) the sense UI is supposed to be a kot better than the other ones like touchwiz etc.

    I can get one for about $400 Canadian

    Sent from mTalk
    M9 camera sucks and HTC is in dire straits financially.
    01-24-2016 08:59 AM
  16. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    The 830 is a bad phone. You'd miss out on W10M until that's released, and when it it, you'd see a big performance hit. The 830's chip tested as on-par with that of the 920, which was released in 2012. You'd be talking about 3 years' worth of performance difference from the 830 to 950, while also losing Continuum, the superior camera, W10M, and long-term support.
    The 830 is not a bad phone. There's a difference in saying it is a weaker phone since it is a midrange Device vs the flagship 950, but it isn't a bad device.
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    01-24-2016 09:00 AM
  17. Ariel Takom's Avatar
    I'm a Lumia 830 owner here.

    First off, I'm not sure why you'd want to downgrade from a 950, which obviously you've had the money to buy it in the first place. You said that the phone does not justify the price, so is this a good enough reason to return the 950? Or is there something else that affects your decision-making?

    Also, if you want to downgrade, I'd suggest you to go for the 640XL. It is definitely MUCH BETTER than the 830 in terms of camera and screen size, although the pixel density is quite a downgrade (both 830 and 640XL have the same resolution, but since the 640XL has a larger screen, thus it has reduced PPI). Here's a quick pros between the two phones:

    L830
    Pros:
    1) Camera has OIS, along with dedicated shutter button [Pureview Camera].
    2) Wireless charging
    3) Hardware button
    4) Better screen (higher PPI)
    5) Better design (down to personal preference)

    L640XL
    1) Larger screen
    2) Main camera and FF-Camera has better MP than the 830 [13MP+5MP vs 10MP+1MP]
    3) BETTER BATTERY LIFE (This here is gold!)
    4) Cheaper (Depends on your country. Here in Malaysia, the 640XL is cheaper)

    Also, the reason why I suggest the XL instead of the 640 is because the 640XL has a matte back plate, which is much better looking/feeling. The glossy backs aren't really good as wear and tear effects is more obvious on them compared to matte back covers.

    I guess that's about the only difference between the 640XL and the 830.

    But if you want to downgrade, and have a bit of money to spare, I'd suggest you to look at the Lumia 930 or the HTC M8. Should still be a good phone, and it won't be too much of a step-down in terms of hardware-performance from a 950.

    P/S: I'm running the current version of W10M on 830, and it runs smoothly. Only a few minor bugs here and there, but I believe MSFT will iron those out soon. They always do.

    PP/S: Also, check out NuAns Neo. That phone is from Japan, and supports Continuum! Look it up!
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    01-24-2016 09:36 AM
  18. Hugo Sundberg's Avatar
    The 830 is a bad phone. You'd miss out on W10M until that's released, and when it it, you'd see a big performance hit. The 830's chip tested as on-par with that of the 920, which was released in 2012. You'd be talking about 3 years' worth of performance difference from the 830 to 950, while also losing Continuum, the superior camera, W10M, and long-term support.
    While the 950 obviously is the superior phone, the 830 in not in any sense a bad phone. Im running the w10 insider preview on an 830 as my daily driver and its almost flawless. (minor bugs, no dealbreaker at all for me) Ive had the 930 before this one and while the 830 is a little slower i like the over all feel of this phone over the 930. Also the 830 has "double tap to wake" and can be used with gloves witch the 950 cannot.
    01-24-2016 10:33 AM
  19. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    While the 950 obviously is the superior phone, the 830 in not in any sense a bad phone. Im running the w10 insider preview on an 830 as my daily driver and its almost flawless. (minor bugs, no dealbreaker at all for me) Ive had the 930 before this one and while the 830 is a little slower i like the over all feel of this phone over the 930. Also the 830 has "double tap to wake" and can be used with gloves witch the 950 cannot.
    You can make your case as much as you want, but I made my decision long ago that the 830 was and is a poor product. It was marketed as a flagship, yet its SoC was not meaningfully better (if at all) than its predecessor (the 820) from 2 years prior. It was a low-end chip at the time it released, yet sold as something worthy of a high-end price tag of $450. Basically, it was a budget phone with a good camera and wireless charging.

    I'm not going to start the argument of 830 vs. 950 because that's a laughable game to even try to play, the 950 would just take a massive dump on the 830. The 830 was overpriced, underpowered, and a phenomenal disappointment. Its only redeeming quality, in my eyes, was that it had some nice color options (I'd have liked the 950 to be sold in green and orange), but that doesn't make up for its price tag and hardware shortcomings. There's a reason they called it an "affordable flagship," then discontinued it 6 months later and pushed out the half-hearted 930, and it's that they knew it was disappointing and poorly marketed.
    01-24-2016 11:39 AM
  20. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    You can make your case as much as you want, but I made my decision long ago that the 830 was and is a poor product. It was marketed as a flagship, yet its SoC was not meaningfully better (if at all) than its predecessor (the 820) from 2 years prior. It was a low-end chip at the time it released, yet sold as something worthy of a high-end price tag of $450. Basically, it was a budget phone with a good camera and wireless charging.

    I'm not going to start the argument of 830 vs. 950 because that's a laughable game to even try to play, the 950 would just take a massive dump on the 830. The 830 was overpriced, underpowered, and a phenomenal disappointment. Its only redeeming quality, in my eyes, was that it had some nice color options (I'd have liked the 950 to be sold in green and orange), but that doesn't make up for its price tag and hardware shortcomings. There's a reason they called it an "affordable flagship," then discontinued it 6 months later and pushed out the half-hearted 930, and it's that they knew it was disappointing and poorly marketed.
    The Lumia icon was discontinued 7 months after it's release. Doesn't make ita bad phone either. Plus I am Pretty sure the 830 came out after the 930

    The 640 and xl were both lauded Lumia's and the 830 is comparable to both. Neither are bad devices. Just not comparable to 930/950

    I will agree that Microsoft screwed it with pricing and labeling it the affordable flagship.
    01-24-2016 12:56 PM
  21. TgeekB's Avatar
    I have the 830 with the insider preview of w10m on it. It runs fine though a little slow, at least compared to my iPhone 6.
    01-24-2016 01:07 PM
  22. Lora619's Avatar
    Go for it. Return the 950 and try the 830. If you aren't happy, repeat the process and go back to the 950. But if you ARE happy with the 830, then you've saved yourself a nice bit of money, and you'll probably be even happier about that.

    I'm using the 830 myself, and I too was worried that it would be disappointing since I was used to much more expensive units, but that hasn't been the case at all for me. In fact there are a few things I even prefer about the 830. But the only way you'll know if that's true for you is to try it. You can pick up an 830 in great shape on ebay for around $100....cheap way to find out.
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    01-24-2016 04:48 PM
  23. Scott Haner's Avatar
    For being Canadian, this is the same reason I'm still sticking with my 1020 for now (other than the camera), with no carrier subsidy I just can't justify upfront $750-850 CDN for the 950 or 950XL. For your options, the 830 would be a great phone and awesome saving too boot until maybe the 950's either come down in price, or a carrier picks them up (not looking likely).
    01-25-2016 09:57 AM
  24. winphoneaddict's Avatar
    I have an 830 that I was fortunate enough to pick up brand new for $150.00. The phone had never been activated. I immediately installed Win 10 Dev pre on it, and couldn't be happier. It's not super snappy, but far from slow. I believe it is a great choice in lieu of the super expensive 950, at least until we see some drop in that phone's prices.
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    01-26-2016 11:45 AM
  25. hughjazz44's Avatar
    How about an HTC One M8? If the camera isn't important, the M8 is the best of the last generation. I'm running WP10 on mine, and it's running good with latest updates. The quad-core 2.3GHz and 2Gb of RAM crushes anything and everything WP can throw at it.
    01-26-2016 06:57 PM
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