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  1. tapehead's Avatar
    I use the Z1 Myself. That post is so true.

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    06-03-2014 08:34 AM
  2. heickelrrx's Avatar
    In low memory device SD card become essential. Thanks to 8.1 Storage Sense which allow user move app to sd card. I use to move all game pict music to sd card while other app that use lot of background service like whatsapp facebook tweet and this app in main memory

    I'm not using 128gb or 64 gb sd card just 16 gb one. When i upgrade to 8.1 80% filled since lot of game that i can't be installed because memory limit are installed in my sd card

    About music i able to store 100 320 bit song mp3

    For advice you can store game on your SD card even you had huge memory. SD card data may isn't save like internal one but that weakness also it strenght. It easily be modifided transfered copied and still readable even if your phone doesn't work at all. It also removable which make things easy when swicthing phones even to diffrent platform.
    06-03-2014 09:29 AM
  3. mrdoubleb's Avatar
    If you really think that I can't tell the difference between streaming low-quality wma files and my own ripped files, then you know a lot less about music than you pretend to know.

    Attachment 68198
    Who was talking about using low quality wma files? I was only saying with the cheap audio electronics in phones and the usage scenarios (on the go), going overboard with bitrate only eats up your storage space.
    06-03-2014 05:54 PM
  4. mrdoubleb's Avatar
    The problem with your first argument is that it has been disproved by Sony. Sony's Z phones also have high end cameras and have bigger batteries. Take the Z2 for example. The only things it doesn't have is OIS and built-in Qi. However, OIS only adds thickness to the phone and the Z2 has Qi technology, just not built in (like the 1020). Yet the Z2 HAS microSD card, a way bigger battery (3200mAh instead of just 2500mAh) while still being thinner and lighter than the 930. Actually, it's also waterproof and dust resistant. Oh and it also uses a microSIM instead of a nanoSIM.
    No, the space the microSD takes is NOT at all an excuse for the lack of it on the 930.


    As for your last paragraph, the 1030 will not come out that soon. The 1020 is a niche device and so it doesn't get refreshed that quickly. IF it comes in 2014, it will come towards Christmas at best. At any rate, Microsoft is clearly more concerned with low budget phones for third World countries where the new consumers are. Replacing the 1020 is not a priority.
    You do see how much you are contradicting yourself, right? So the Z2 does not have OIS or wireless charging... of course it hase room for an SD slot and a bigger battery. That's why i said it was a tradeoff.
    06-03-2014 05:59 PM
  5. DJCBS's Avatar
    You do see how much you are contradicting yourself, right? So the Z2 does not have OIS or wireless charging... of course it hase room for an SD slot and a bigger battery. That's why i said it was a tradeoff.
    I didn't contradicted myself if you had paid attention to what I wrote and knew a bit more about what we're talking about here ;)

    OIS takes THICKNESS. Meaning, the OIS would require the Z2 to be either thicker or have one of those ugly humps some of the Nokias have.
    As for the built-in Qi, again, the Z2 has Qi tech in it. All it lacks is the coil inside it, just like the 925. Again, just like OIS, the Qi only adds thickness and NOT additional space. I bet, just like you can do with the 925 or the Galaxy S5, you can open the Z2 and insert the Qi charging coil inside it.

    So there's no real trade off here. You still have a thick phone and lack functionality. Which can also be seen if you put the Z1 and Z2 next to the 925.

    No. Adding a microSD card slot would not at all interfere with the design of the 930. It was a deliberate decision, as it was to release the Verizon-designed 929 as the 930 instead of the real 930 that was planned. ;)
    06-03-2014 06:15 PM
  6. tapehead's Avatar
    You do see how much you are contradicting yourself, right? So the Z2 does not have OIS or wireless charging... of course it hase room for an SD slot and a bigger battery. That's why i said it was a tradeoff.
    The Z2 does have wireless charging, actually.

    http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2014/05/...for-xperia-z2/
    06-03-2014 07:35 PM
  7. mrdoubleb's Avatar
    The Z2 does have wireless charging, actually.
    Wireless charging for Xperia Z2 | Sony Smartphones
    Yeah... no. That's a charging cover, it's not integrated, so it does not take space away within the phone.
    06-03-2014 09:27 PM
  8. mrdoubleb's Avatar
    I didn't contradicted myself if you had paid attention to what I wrote and knew a bit more about what we're talking about here ;)

    OIS takes THICKNESS. Meaning, the OIS would require the Z2 to be either thicker or have one of those ugly humps some of the Nokias have.
    As for the built-in Qi, again, the Z2 has Qi tech in it. All it lacks is the coil inside it, just like the 925. Again, just like OIS, the Qi only adds thickness and NOT additional space. I bet, just like you can do with the 925 or the Galaxy S5, you can open the Z2 and insert the Qi charging coil inside it.

    So there's no real trade off here. You still have a thick phone and lack functionality. Which can also be seen if you put the Z1 and Z2 next to the 925.

    No. Adding a microSD card slot would not at all interfere with the design of the 930. It was a deliberate decision, as it was to release the Verizon-designed 929 as the 930 instead of the real 930 that was planned. ;)
    LOL. So you are saying if something adds thickness to the phone it does not take up extra space inside... Newsflash: that's why it adds thickness. You either have the camera module fill out the entire thickness of the phone or you make a hump for the OIS, so there is enough space left inside for other things behind the camera moduel, like an SD card slot. And really, the z2 has everything BUT the coil? You mean it has everything related to wireless charging except the thing that takes up space and adds to the weight, right?

    Again, not arguning that that's not a vaild design choice - Nokia did the same thing with the 925, when everyone and their mother was complaining the 920 was too thick and heavy. But it is a choice. You have to fit everything in to a give space: you either add a bigger battery or a wireless charging coil; you either add a thick camera module with OIS, or a thinner one without OIS and have room for things like a card reader. Or do both and add a hump. Again, pick and choose whichever phone suits you best, but why are you arguing they had to make choices like that?

    And, if you could, elaborate on the seceret master plan, why they deliberately chose to exclude the card reader. They had all this extra space inside the phone, but decided not to add the SD card module because... ?
    06-03-2014 09:42 PM
  9. Squachy's Avatar
    Lets end this. They didn't include an SD card cuz this was just a Lumia Icon with a different color backplate.
    It has nothing to do with what they did or didn't include because of what they thought was acceptable or what they didn't. They recycled the Icon, changed the antennas, gave the backplate some color and called it the 930. Whether you want to accept that or not is up to you. I personally wouldn't use all 32gb (im living off 8gb non expandable). I think i'd be perfectly fine with just 16gb. If I had the SD card slot option i'd just stuff more music and photos/videos onto it. That's probably it. The way you guys make the SD card sound like a 'requirement' makes it seem like you never transfer anything off your phone.....IF my phone filled with photos/vids/music and I needed more room, i'd just move those to the computer.
    06-04-2014 02:20 AM
  10. dKp1977's Avatar
    Lets end this. They didn't include an SD card cuz this was just a Lumia Icon with a different color backplate.
    It has nothing to do with what they did or didn't include because of what they thought was acceptable or what they didn't. They recycled the Icon, changed the antennas, gave the backplate some color and called it the 930. Whether you want to accept that or not is up to you. I personally wouldn't use all 32gb (im living off 8gb non expandable). I think i'd be perfectly fine with just 16gb. If I had the SD card slot option i'd just stuff more music and photos/videos onto it. That's probably it. The way you guys make the SD card sound like a 'requirement' makes it seem like you never transfer anything off your phone.....IF my phone filled with photos/vids/music and I needed more room, i'd just move those to the computer.
    SD card support is certainly not a requirement, but it's without a doubt a huge benefit. You can of course keep moving data off of your device onto your computer, but what works for you, might not work for others. Once your device is filled with apps and games, there isn't much left you can move. ;)
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    06-04-2014 02:29 AM
  11. tapehead's Avatar
    And, if you could, elaborate on the seceret master plan, why they deliberately chose to exclude the card reader. They had all this extra space inside the phone, but decided not to add the SD card module because... ?
    Didn't Nokia say they didn't include an SD card slot on the 920 because they wanted an entirely seamless design for their flagship? It terms of design, it's a 720 with no SD card slot. Makes utterly no sense to me.
    thatuxguy likes this.
    06-04-2014 02:39 AM
  12. heickelrrx's Avatar
    Lets end this. They didn't include an SD card cuz this was just a Lumia Icon with a different color backplate.
    It has nothing to do with what they did or didn't include because of what they thought was acceptable or what they didn't. They recycled the Icon, changed the antennas, gave the backplate some color and called it the 930. Whether you want to accept that or not is up to you. I personally wouldn't use all 32gb (im living off 8gb non expandable). I think i'd be perfectly fine with just 16gb. If I had the SD card slot option i'd just stuff more music and photos/videos onto it. That's probably it. The way you guys make the SD card sound like a 'requirement' makes it seem like you never transfer anything off your phone.....IF my phone filled with photos/vids/music and I needed more room, i'd just move those to the computer.
    SD Card slot mainly target to low end device with low memory

    It expand it's memory allow to store more stuff

    At 8.1 Storage Sense Allow it to store app make it really usefull ESPESIALLY FOR DEVICE WITH 8 GB MEMORY. When i first Boot my phone at retail store it already take about 4gb at first so bassically i can only take 4 gb my main memory and that's not enough

    Put 16GB SD card about 13GB Data Usable from card and most of it used to store my game
    06-04-2014 04:58 AM
  13. anon(6038817)'s Avatar
    Every BlackBerry phone has had a SD slot for years. Just sayin'. :)

    Posted from my BlackBerry Z30 via Tapatalk
    06-04-2014 08:40 AM
  14. anon(6038817)'s Avatar
    Also, the Verizon BlackBerry Z30 has built-in wireless charging and a SD card slot, yet is thinner (.37 in) than the Icon (.39 in).

    Would a SD card slot on the Icon really have added extra thickness?

    Does the 20 MP camera on the Icon really require more bulk?

    Posted from my BlackBerry Z30 via Tapatalk
    06-04-2014 08:51 AM
  15. tapehead's Avatar
    There are legit devices where the SD slot and the SIM slot are in the same module. There's no reason Nokia couldn't put in.

    microSD/SIM Card Combo Connector - Molex
    06-04-2014 10:13 AM
  16. DavidinCT's Avatar
    Again, this thread is a total FAIL. Yea, some people want it, others dont think there is a need for it. You know what, your all right here (besides a few morons who dont know their head from their a$$).

    The deal is, other brands high end models have it, Windows Phone is LACKING in this area. It's all about how people use their phones, some just do a few apps and maybe a little music, others want to have it all. Everyone SHOULD have the option, Windows Phone should provide this option on high end phones.

    The ICON/930 would be the PERFECT phone, great camera, 5" display (big enough but, not too large like the 1520), 2gb of ram, nice size, well designed look of a phone but, for a LOT of us, the space is very limited. We are talking last gen phones, like the 920 and the 928 all had 32gb of space(higher end models), now the "next gen" high end models have the same amount of space. Something is wrong with this, make everything better but, keep the same amount of space.

    Everyone will have their differences here, I acutally think this thread should be closed. It's not about how the subject is, it's more about a b*tching session why some SHOULD have MicroSD and how others SHOULD NOT.

    Get over it, some people want it, others dont but, there should AT LEAST BE A OPTION for people who want it on all carriers.
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    06-04-2014 02:45 PM
  17. DJCBS's Avatar
    LOL. So you are saying if something adds thickness to the phone it does not take up extra space inside... Newsflash: that's why it adds thickness. You either have the camera module fill out the entire thickness of the phone or you make a hump for the OIS, so there is enough space left inside for other things behind the camera moduel, like an SD card slot. And really, the z2 has everything BUT the coil? You mean it has everything related to wireless charging except the thing that takes up space and adds to the weight, right?

    Again, not arguning that that's not a vaild design choice - Nokia did the same thing with the 925, when everyone and their mother was complaining the 920 was too thick and heavy. But it is a choice. You have to fit everything in to a give space: you either add a bigger battery or a wireless charging coil; you either add a thick camera module with OIS, or a thinner one without OIS and have room for things like a card reader. Or do both and add a hump. Again, pick and choose whichever phone suits you best, but why are you arguing they had to make choices like that?

    And, if you could, elaborate on the seceret master plan, why they deliberately chose to exclude the card reader. They had all this extra space inside the phone, but decided not to add the SD card module because... ?
    - No, it doesn't take "space" it adds thickness. Meaning, you won't have to mess with the phone size, just the thickness of it. There's no extra space inside the frame occupied by the OIS.

    - Yes. The Z2 has everything the likes of the 1020 and 925 have inside it, except the coil that is in the case. If you have a Nokia charging case that you don't need, you can dismount it to see exactly what's missing from the 925 (and the Z2 and S5). Or head over to YouTube and search for a video about adding wireless charging to the 925. You'll see exactly what's missing from the 925 and Z2 in terms of wireless charging. Again, no, it doesn't take space, just thickness (and even that...not a lot of it)

    - I'm only arguing that the "excuse" about space is a fake excuse. Because nothing that the 930 has, apart from OIS and built in Qi charging, prevents the phone from having a microSD card slot. If Sony puts all the 930 has, including a bigger battery, a microSIM (instead of a Nano) AND a microSD inside the thinner and lighter Z2, then Nokia was perfectly capable of doind the same in the 930. They simply decided not to. Neither OIS nor the Qi charging coil require the space a microSD card would take. Specially when you've already reduced more space by putting a NanoSIM in the 930.
    Here's the insides of a 930 http://wmpoweruser.com/wp-content/up...ear-down-1.png

    - I didn't said that. I said that the 930 that was planned was more than an international version of the 929/Icon. The info I got from my friends at Nokia is that they planned to not only add the microSD but also refresh the internals to match those of current Android flagships (SD801 yadayadayada). Now, whatever happened, I don't know and they don't know either (as they were not part of the D&S division). But I have no reasons to doubt them. I think the 929 presented as the 930 was a last minute decision, rushed to get their last flagship out before the acquisition was done, so that Microsoft could also benefit from the use of the Nokia brand on the flagship Lumia (as well as the 630) for longer (the 530 and future Lumias will not come with the Nokia branding). But this is just speculation.
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    06-04-2014 03:38 PM
  18. colinkiama's Avatar
    One number. 1520. There are no excuses for the 930 to have no SD.
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    06-05-2014 01:21 AM
  19. AngrySprintUser's Avatar
    For you to have a "top of the line" phone, you have to have also a phone that ISN'T top of the line. Apple only does one phone, the iPhone. You can't have a "flagship" in a squadron of 1 ship. Plain and simple.
    So the iPhone isn't a flagship of anything. The iPhone is the iPhone. It's Apple's phone and you know it's the best you can get from them but also the only thing you can get from them. The term flagship is used to single out the best phone a company offers in their catalogue. You have the Z2 as a flagship and then the E1, M2 etc. You have the 930 and them the other 10 Lumias. You have the S5 and then the other 100 Galaxies.
    On Apple you have the iPhone 5S and that's it. And then you have last years model. Just like you have the Z1, M7, 920, S4.
    Since they also sell the 5C, the 5S would be considered their "flagship" until the 6 comes out. The other poster is right, flagship means company's top of the line phone. If that company's top of the line phone doesn't hold up with another company's top of the line phones, it's still their flagship.
    06-07-2014 12:33 AM
  20. eric12341's Avatar
    This thread has run it's course
    06-08-2014 04:52 PM
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