07-03-2014 06:07 PM
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  1. Great deal's Avatar
    Well I thought id compare the 2 in the spare 15 minutes i had, interesting comparison between the S5 released in April and the 930 which is just starting to hit the market. There may well be a lot of specs ive missed out on and the links below will take you to more detail, ive compared the main features....

    Lumia 930

    Launch date July/August 2014
    Processor 2.2Ghz Quad Qualcomm Snapdragon 800
    RAM 2GB
    Storage 32GB internal with no microSD
    Camera 20 megapixel
    Screen size 5 inch
    Resolution 1080x1920 full HD
    Pixel Density 441 ppi
    Battery 2420mAh
    Connectivity 4G LTE, BT 4
    Size 137x71x9.8mm
    Weight 167g

    Interesting features
    Wireless charging

    Full Specs:
    Nokia Lumia 930 - Specifications - Nokia - UK


    Samsung S5

    Launch date April 2014
    Processor 2.5Ghz Quad Qualcomm Snapdragon 801
    RAM 2GB
    Storage 16 or 32GB with microSD up to 128GB
    Camera 16 megapixel
    Screen size 5.1 inch
    Resolution 1920x1080
    Pixel Density 432 ppi
    Battery 2800mAh
    Connectivity 4G LTE, BT 4
    Size 142x72.5x8.1mm
    Weight 145g

    Interesting notes:
    Water resistant up to 3 feet
    Finger print reader
    Heart rate monitor


    Compared to the Snapdragon 800 -- which is used in the 930 -- the Snapdragon 801 has a 45 percent faster camera sensor, 28 percent faster graphics, 14 percent faster CPU, 18 percent faster digital signal processor, and 17 percent faster memory (The chips of Samsung's Galaxy S5 -- Exynos and Snapdragon - CNET)

    Source and more specs:

    S5 – Samsung GALAXY S5

    Conclusion based on above specs alone:

    The S5 is faster, thinner, lighter, more storage and more feature packed with a better battery than the NEW Lumia 930.

    Fingers crossed the Mclaren (or whatever the new MS phone will be) has BETTER specs than the S5 - 930 is DOA IF it is priced at the same cost as S5
    Last edited by Great deal; 07-02-2014 at 09:04 AM.
    07-02-2014 08:54 AM
  2. Silviu Bogusevschi's Avatar
    People still decide after comparing the specs, so pathetic...
    And yes, how did you find that SGS5 is faster than 930? Probably I'm wrong, but I think these phones have different OSes.
    07-02-2014 11:31 AM
  3. Zulfigar's Avatar
    By the time the McLaren is out, the 805 will be out also. We'll see what happens at the end of the year. 😊
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    07-02-2014 11:35 AM
  4. Great deal's Avatar
    People still decide after comparing the specs, so pathetic...
    And yes, how did you find that SGS5 is faster than 930? Probably I'm wrong, but I think these phones have different OSes.
    Its horses for courses which is why i don't compare OS just the hardware, the processor in the S5 is a newer version and much faster then the one in the 930, link is in the post. I think as soon as (if) they break even on this device they will stop all promotion. I was excited about this device when first announced but they are just too darned slow to release it. If MS want a chance to grab market share then they have to under promise and over deliver, everyone loves a nice surprise.
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    07-02-2014 12:19 PM
  5. Roland Stoll's Avatar
    so a Transporter is the much better car than a Porsche GT cause the Transporter has 100 PS more power...

    comparing just the specs without looking to the requirements of the OS... sorry, just senseless...


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    07-02-2014 02:08 PM
  6. Silviu Bogusevschi's Avatar
    so a Transporter is the much better car than a Porsche GT cause the Transporter has 100 PS more power...

    comparing just the specs without looking to the requirements of the OS... sorry, just senseless...


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    And the Tank is much better than a Transporter.
    07-02-2014 02:12 PM
  7. Beijendorf's Avatar
    By the time the McLaren is out, the 805 will be out also. We'll see what happens at the end of the year.
    The Snapdragon 805 is already out and exists in for example the Samsung Galaxy S5 LTE-A.
    07-02-2014 02:38 PM
  8. Great deal's Avatar
    so a Transporter is the much better car than a Porsche GT cause the Transporter has 100 PS more power...

    comparing just the specs without looking to the requirements of the OS... sorry, just senseless...

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    The analogy i prefer is Porsche v Ferrari v Lamborghini.

    All 3 are sports cars competing with each other, 3 different companies all targeting the same consumers. Its like Ferrai releasing the amazing technical 458, if Lambo released a car several months later with 100HP less and slower top speed and acceleration which one would 'joe public' (with 200k to spend :) buy? People go for the latest and greatest, that's what all the tech companies want us to do, you may be sensible and not fall for that but you would be a minority.

    Releasing a phone several months later with inferior everything is retarded to say the least....imagine if the 930 had everything the S5 had, we would be very happy chappies indeed, I would snap one up knowing full well id be content in a 24 month contract.
    Last edited by Great deal; 07-02-2014 at 03:01 PM.
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    07-02-2014 02:46 PM
  9. npoe's Avatar
    The difference between the 800 and 801 is about 300 MHz. They use the same architecture design so it isn't really that much of a difference in raw power.

    AnandTech | Qualcomm Snapdragon 805 Performance Preview
    07-02-2014 03:04 PM
  10. independentvolume's Avatar
    It's hard to imagine my better half's icon being any faster. That phone is a beast. If one were to but on specs alone they would be waiting forever. The gs5 isn't even noticeably faster than the gs4. I know because I had both. Returned the s5 when the only real jump was in camera. For the record, the Icon has a superior camera and it came out months before the s5. lol
    07-02-2014 03:16 PM
  11. Great deal's Avatar
    What is the reason to release a device with LOWER power at a LATER date when you are last and trying to claw market share. I understand what you are saying but this is a retarded business decision. What would you prefer a 930 with 801 processor or 800? << that is the real point. The ONLY defence is if they market the 930 as a mid range product not a high end....its no longer high end is it!
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    07-02-2014 03:22 PM
  12. TheMightyCraken's Avatar
    Why didn't they pack it up with a 801? Too expensive?
    07-02-2014 03:29 PM
  13. npoe's Avatar
    What is the reason to release a device with LOWER power at a LATER date when you are last and trying to claw market share. I understand what you are saying but this is a retarded business decision. What would you prefer a 930 with 801 processor or 800? << that is the real point. The ONLY defence is if they market the 930 as a mid range product not a high end....its no longer high end is it!
    It might not be enough for you but I don't really worry about specs. I see a lot of that in android base camp people calling one phone better because it has 4 more pixels or 4 MHz more than the competing phone from another company. The fact that I don't really have to worry about specs in WPs is one of the things that I enjoy most.

    I would take the Snapdragon 801 over the 800 unless the price difference is significant. What I really care and what makes me think in buying the Lumia 930 to replace my Lumia 920 is the camera and the fact that it supports the Sensor Core SDK from Nokia/Microsoft.

    I wouldn't care if I bought a Lumia 930 with a Snapdragon 800 and 3 months later they launch a revised version with a Snapdragon 801 for the same price. Now a Lumia 930 with a Snapdragon 805 or even worse an 810 would be a different story.
    Last edited by npoe; 07-02-2014 at 03:40 PM. Reason: Grammar and answering a question.
    07-02-2014 03:30 PM
  14. Great deal's Avatar
    It might not be enough for you but I don't really worry about specs. I see a lot of that in android base camp people calling one phone better because it has 4 more pixels or 4 MHz more than the competing phone from another company. The fact that I don't really have to worry about specs in WPs is one of the things that I enjoy most.

    I would take the Snapdragon 801 over the 800 unless the price difference is significant. What I really care and what makes me think in buying the Lumia 930 to replace my Lumia 920 is the camera and the fact that it supports the Sensor Core SDK from Nokia/Microsoft.

    I wouldn't care if I bought a Lumia 930 with a Snapdragon 800 and 3 months later they launch a revised version with a Snapdragon 801 for the same price. Now a Lumia 930 with a Snapdragon 805 or even worse an 810 would be a different story.
    100% agree with you and I don't look at the specs too much else I wouldn't have got the 920 and 1020 however they are asking you to pay a high price for something that is inferior and quite frankly that takes the p***. Just for a moment, scroll to the top and swap the name S5 for 930, notice how you feel.
    07-02-2014 03:46 PM
  15. humanhowever's Avatar
    100% agree with you and I don't look at the specs too much else I wouldn't have got the 920 and 1020 however they are asking you to pay a high price for something that is inferior and quite frankly that takes the p***. Just for a moment, scroll to the top and swap the name S5 for 930, notice how you feel.
    Nicely said.
    07-02-2014 04:03 PM
  16. JamesPTao's Avatar
    [QUOTE=Great deal;2619523]What is the reason to release a device with LOWER power at a LATER date when you are last and trying to claw market share. I understand what you are saying but this is a retarded business decision. What would you prefer a 930 with 801 processor or 800?
    The only thing that matters once someone owns the phone is the experience. I guarantee the 801 running android will lag when compared to the 800 running WP os. If specs are that important to you don't forget to print out the specsheet and carry it in your pocket to make you feel better when the s5 is lagging.
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    07-02-2014 04:10 PM
  17. Silviu Bogusevschi's Avatar
    The point isn't how fast the processor is. Once you own the phone all that matters is the experience, and WP runs much faster and smoother on slower processors. So even though on paper the 801 looks better i guarantee it will lag in real use with android when compared to the 800 using WP os.
    OP doesn't care, he just needs moar MHz.
    BTW let me guess, is OP an Android user..?
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    07-02-2014 04:12 PM
  18. Sport Driver's Avatar
    Real life is something else : http://forums.windowscentral.com/pho...galaxy-s5.html

    But yes, I agree that L930 could come with Snapdragon 801, but only because of camera where more processing power would be usefull.
    07-02-2014 04:15 PM
  19. Silviu Bogusevschi's Avatar
    Real life is something else : http://forums.windowscentral.com/pho...galaxy-s5.html

    But yes, I agree that L930 could come with Snapdragon 801, but only because of camera where more processing power would be usefull.
    I don't think it's so easy to implement. Probably the software should be changed as well, in order to support the technology of 801 camera processing. We might expect this in future devices.
    07-02-2014 04:19 PM
  20. Sport Driver's Avatar
    That could was meant to be more like, "it would be good if it came with 801 but even now with 800 it's not the end of the world"
    07-02-2014 04:25 PM
  21. Great deal's Avatar
    Lol im all in with MS (my company actually supplies MS in Finland) was a hard journey to get here, was all in with Apple, then switched to Android (ive read that the OS lags on all their phones) and now Happy/frustrated with MS. Don't get me wrong, im not a spec ***** at all, I only compare 2 products separated by a few months and both aiming at the high end, both charging a lot only one has cheaper and older bits of electronics inside is all, just doesn't make sense to me. I completely understand the experience and OS side of things, that is still no excuse to release inferior hardware though.
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    07-02-2014 06:01 PM
  22. Squachy's Avatar
    The 801 is NOT that much faster than the 800. The 805 maybe. The 808 and 810 next year possibly as well (and they're going to be 64bits).
    your phone is not going to be a slowass piece of junk just because it has an 800 vs the 801.
    Even in this time and age I would still likely get a Nexus 5 over any of those flagship phones. Pure Android > the bloat that the other brands have. Guess what? Its got a snapdragon 800, not an 801. Yeah sure it came out last year but its still potent. The 8xx chipset is a beastly little thing.

    -Yes the 930 SHOULD have been released when the Icon was out (cuz its practically the same)
    -Yes it COULD have benefited from the 801 processor to match the android flagships so that spec whores don't have any ammunition to use against it.
    -No, the 800 is NOT outdated and NOT old hat. The 801 is EXACTLY the same thing with some minor tweaks and a clock speed boost. If the 800 is outdated and old hat, then the 801 is equally outdated and old hat. Same GPU (Adreno 330) Same CPU (Qualcomm KRAIT 400), same Image processor I think.

    Blame MS for ungodly slow updates to the windows phone platform (it took until GDR3 to GAIN support for the snapdragon 800 chipset..and quad cores in general) Unless 8.1 has additional hardware support added to it (hopefully) then you're not seeing anything better than an SD800 in any of the best windows phones. Its not a bad thing with the SD800 chipsets, phones are stupidly overpowered nowadays. Again, that's MS's fault for being slow on the transition.

    All flagships costs roughly the same price so it doesn't even matter (except apple, they tend to charge more for less...apple tax) which one you get or what specs it has. I don't know who's fault that ends up being, but Nokia really should follow suit with Nexus since they 'obviously' cannot compete on specs to some peoples eyes. The Nexus lineup was the only phones that gave flagship specs for cheap. It should have just demolished the competition but for whatever reason it didn't. Everyone I guess is too fixated on the Samsung Galaxies, HTC Ones and the LG G phones of the world.
    07-02-2014 08:50 PM
  23. Roland Stoll's Avatar
    I just want the best WP that's available - that's currently the Lumia 930 and 1520.
    That's why both devices are currently the WP flagships - end of discussion!

    Comparing that device to others with a different OS - senseless as all OS's have different requirements.
    Sure there are things which can be compared:
    - display size and quality
    - camera resolution and quality
    - apps availability
    - etc.

    But especially comparing the Lumia 930 (WP) to the Galaxy S5 (Android):
    - how to compare performance/speed for two different OS multitasking systems (adaptive multitasking vs. sandbox multitasking)?
    - how to compare different memory management of two different OS


    and as far as I can remember: the 801 ist not yet supported by WP 8.1...
    07-03-2014 03:11 AM
  24. Christopher Lindsay's Avatar
    The 930 is the exact same phone as the 1520. Just smaller. The 1520 was released last year. The 930 has the 800 snap dragon because that's what's in the 1520. Comparing the s5 to the 930 is essentially comparing the 1520 to it. You're comparing an older phone to a newer phone and its still currently up to par.
    07-03-2014 03:48 AM
  25. Great deal's Avatar
    I just want the best WP that's available - that's currently the Lumia 930 and 1520.
    That's why both devices are currently the WP flagships - end of discussion!

    Comparing that device to others with a different OS - senseless as all OS's have different requirements.
    Sure there are things which can be compared:
    - display size and quality
    - camera resolution and quality
    - apps availability
    - etc.

    But especially comparing the Lumia 930 (WP) to the Galaxy S5 (Android):
    - how to compare performance/speed for two different OS multitasking systems (adaptive multitasking vs. sandbox multitasking)?
    - how to compare different memory management of two different OS


    and as far as I can remember: the 801 ist not yet supported by WP 8.1...

    I would agree if the price points were lower. Why pay similar to an S5 for inferior hardware irrespective of the OS. You seem to be very happy paying for inferior hardware when in fact the manufacturer and OS company can easily up the specs, keep the price the same and we get improved performance above and beyond what we have now. Look at the specs carefully, processor, thickness, weight, battery, hardware features. Are you telling me your happy to pay similar price for inferior hardware?

    I understand the point of the OS working differently and having different requirements, im not comparing OS im comparing the actual hardware, something you cant seem to understand. Maybe you sleep with your windows phone next to your pillow, sorry but I don't care who makes the hardware as long as it does what I want it to do and I feel that in a 24 month contract it will stand the test of time. Yes the 930 will do what I want it to do, but MS are competing with Samsung and iPhone with this device...they simply cant. Perhaps the Mclaren(or whatever the name will be) can at which point I will happily trade up from 1020....930 though? no way, I wouldn't even upgrade to it from my other 920.
    07-03-2014 04:48 AM
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