12-21-2014 02:17 PM
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  1. DavidinCT's Avatar
    How many times do you have to post this ? I wish people would read before asking....
    12-18-2014 06:48 PM
  2. fdalbor's Avatar
    Didn't some of us just do this with cyan? How does that go, shame on me once, etc.
    12-18-2014 07:27 PM
  3. Richard Servello's Avatar
    Again, it was the notification I was talking about... Not the false extras page.
    12-18-2014 09:59 PM
  4. Indistinguishable's Avatar
    Again, it was the notification I was talking about... Not the false extras page.
    But it's essentially the same problem. The extras+info built in app is, indiscriminately and errantly, doing & displaying certain things. And for us deprived Verizon users, it's akin to torture.

    That's all.
    12-18-2014 10:30 PM
  5. gernerttl's Avatar
    It's dj vu all over again...
    12-18-2014 11:10 PM
  6. Ebuka Allison's Avatar
    But it's essentially the same problem. The extras+info built in app is, indiscriminately and errantly, doing & displaying certain things. And for us deprived Verizon users, it's akin to torture.

    That's all.
    Here's what it seems to be. The OS version itself is triggering that alert.
    Here's my Denim experience on my 625. I flashed it to the 02 Germany variant and I received the update notfifcation to 8.1.1. Only that I didn't get the firmware. extras + info updated and bam, it shows Denim.
    My theory is that as non-pureview phones get no enhancements, its the OS version that enables the extras+info to show denim for all devices.
    MikeSo likes this.
    12-19-2014 05:25 AM
  7. ShinraCorp's Avatar
    Alright folks this is what it is.

    When you press the firmware name in the extras + info it's actually just a URL link to a page discussing the latest firmware, before the Denim announcement it would of shown the Cyan firmware but since Denim has been announced, they're going to talk about Denim. So if they ever have a new firmware after Denim announced, that page will be updated again with that firmware name on it.

    It's as simple as that, if you didn't receive an update recently it's because you're not running on denim. Yes they still show that silly bug about Denim being installed to a lot of people but unless you're not running on Developer Preview and can make folders then you're not running Denim, simple as that.
    MatsuDano and brusbrother like this.
    12-19-2014 07:39 AM
  8. Ebuka Allison's Avatar
    Read the post above
    12-19-2014 03:40 PM
  9. SafeSchoolsCzar's Avatar
    I got the same message as well.
    12-20-2014 10:22 AM
  10. Ebuka Allison's Avatar
    Alright folks this is what it is.

    When you press the firmware name in the extras + info it's actually just a URL link to a page discussing the latest firmware, before the Denim announcement it would of shown the Cyan firmware but since Denim has been announced, they're going to talk about Denim. So if they ever have a new firmware after Denim announced, that page will be updated again with that firmware name on it.

    It's as simple as that, if you didn't receive an update recently it's because you're not running on denim. Yes they still show that silly bug about Denim being installed to a lot of people but unless you're not running on Developer Preview and can make folders then you're not running Denim, simple as that.
    That silly "bug" isn't a bug. Its working fine.
    12-21-2014 04:58 AM
  11. ShinraCorp's Avatar
    That silly "bug" isn't a bug. Its working fine.
    Except it is a bug.... depending on the device no one should of gotten the word Denim on their phone. Until two weeks ago when they started rolling out in Asia Europe and Africa. People had the word denim on them for MONTHS. And I'm not talking about the 830 either. So yes it is a bug.
    12-21-2014 07:05 AM
  12. nicfromwales's Avatar
    Except it is a bug.... depending on the device no one should of gotten the word Denim on their phone.
    But they of got it. We of to face facts.
    12-21-2014 07:17 AM
  13. ShinraCorp's Avatar
    But they of got it. We of to face facts.
    Who's they? Not everyone has it and still displays the name Denim. Like the OP. It's simply misinformation that's it.
    12-21-2014 07:22 AM
  14. Ebuka Allison's Avatar
    Except it is a bug.... depending on the device no one should of gotten the word Denim on their phone. Until two weeks ago when they started rolling out in Asia Europe and Africa. People had the word denim on them for MONTHS. And I'm not talking about the 830 either. So yes it is a bug.
    No you don't get it. Extras + info reads the OS version to display which Lumia version you're on because Denim does not come with firmware for some devices. So if you have 8.1.1 and you're in the normal update channel (by turning off DP) it assumes you have Denim. It really is working fine, it's not a glitch.
    12-21-2014 07:38 AM
  15. ShinraCorp's Avatar
    No you don't get it. Extras + info reads the OS version to display which Lumia version you're on because Denim does not come with firmware for some devices. So if you have 8.1.1 and you're in the normal update channel (by turning off DP) it assumes you have Denim. It really is working fine, it's not a glitch.
    I would like to see the source of this.
    12-21-2014 07:40 AM
  16. nicfromwales's Avatar
    Who's they? Not everyone has it and still displays the name Denim. Like the OP. It's simply misinformation that's it.
    Well I ofn't got it.
    12-21-2014 07:42 AM
  17. Ebuka Allison's Avatar
    I would like to see the source of this.
    I explain it here in more detail.
    http://wmpoweruser.com/the-denim-ext...-be-by-design/

    If you have a Cyan/Black Rom and a Denim ready low-end phone you can try this for yourself. Or check the MS website for availability.

    Here was the experience that prompted me to investigate. I had a phone that was denim ready(625) but I had flashed it to a Black ROM to experience the old Music + Videos hub for a while. So while I started the long update route, I got Cyan(Lumia update for WP) and 8.1. Then I got 8
    1.1. Note that I hadn't let any of my apps finish updating in this time. When I got the 8.1.1 update, extras + info had yet to update and my firmware read Cyan. After I let everything update overnight, my firmware was now reading as Denim. No Lumia update had come with the 8.1.1 update (it was the same as the DP build) and the firmware numbers matched the Denim ID on the website. I flashed to a different ROM and got the same results. Then I checked the build numbers individually(I have free time )
    12-21-2014 07:49 AM
  18. Ebuka Allison's Avatar
    I would like to see the source of this.
    Oh and I asked Tom Warren on the verge as well
    12-21-2014 07:50 AM
  19. ShinraCorp's Avatar
    Oh and I asked Tom Warren on the verge as well
    Tom Warren isn't a credible source. You need to have a source that comes directly from someone at Microsoft. Because from what I understand if they matched the Firmware string from the OS version then that is fatally flawed. They would of matched the Firmware version with the Firmware string. Not the OS to the Firmware.
    12-21-2014 01:56 PM
  20. Ebuka Allison's Avatar
    Tom Warren isn't a credible source. You need to have a source that comes directly from someone at Microsoft. Because from what I understand if they matched the Firmware string from the OS version then that is fatally flawed. They would of matched the Firmware version with the Firmware string. Not the OS to the Firmware.
    Have a look. Cyan and Denim have the same firmware
    screenshot-44-.jpgscreenshot-48-.jpgscreenshot-46-.jpg
    12-21-2014 02:08 PM
  21. realwarder's Avatar
    It is correct. Older devices get no firmware update in Denim, just OS. Those on DP are actually ahead of Denim. Source... Check the firmware version numbers on the Microsoft Europe list. In some places BOTH Denim and Cyan are listed for the same phone. Only OS changes, firmware does not.

    If you're in this situation, turn off DP and you'll effectively get Denim.

    Kind of sucks but Denim is really only a firmware update for the newest phones. We don't entirely know which ones except 930, 1520, Icon. For other phones its an OS only update. Obviously since Microsoft haven't detailed this entirely, some phones may still get firmware updates too but as a whole I'd say not.
    12-21-2014 02:17 PM
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