1. AndyCalling's Avatar
    When you get paid for work, your option to decline is to change jobs...

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    That's not always as simple as you may think, especially away from cities. Also, surely a bit of an extreme approach? Wouldn't you say? Perhaps you wouldn't, but I think many people would.
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    02-18-2016 12:20 PM
  2. sahib lopez's Avatar
    So, I'm reading the Next it Robin reviews and i like it. Problems are:

    1) Not at that price tag. I can get a G4 with vastly superior strengthens in the camera and removable battery and storage front for the same price.

    2) Don't like the cloud storage option

    If comparing it to things in that price range, it's about even with the 5X, the Oneplus Two, the X Play and slightly ahead of the A9, but the X Pure and the G4 kills it.

    Still, if they were selling this at $299, I'd do it. It's got the Xperia style fingerprint scanner too and i love the funky design.

    The closest thing WP has to this design wise is the Nuance. We need to see more stuff like this...

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    it does look like a good looking phone but I don't think a good looking phone is worth that much when its functionality uses the cloud. I do wonder how it works out with people with a data cap? most likely not so good
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    02-18-2016 01:06 PM
  3. sahib lopez's Avatar
    When you get paid for work, your option to decline is to change jobs...

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    or become your super supers'
    02-18-2016 01:07 PM
  4. sahib lopez's Avatar
    I'm in a bit of a dilemma . since msft isn't going to make anymore midrange phones I don't have an upgrade path for my 830. sure there is the blu win hd LTE, the acatel one touch for windows 10 but those phones lack in the camera department , also the recording isn't that good. which means the there is the 950 but that's to expensive for my taste right now. also the rumored phone from HP is going to be a high end phone which I bet will cost around the same price of the 950 XL when it launched. it sucks to want a mid range right now in wp :/
    02-18-2016 01:14 PM
  5. Rose640's Avatar
    I'm in a bit of a dilemma . since msft isn't going to make anymore midrange phones I don't have an upgrade path for my 830. sure there is the blu win hd LTE, the acatel one touch for windows 10 but those phones lack in the camera department , also the recording isn't that good. which means the there is the 950 but that's to expensive for my taste right now. also the rumored phone from HP is going to be a high end phone which I bet will cost around the same price of the 950 XL when it launched. it sucks to want a mid range right now in wp :/
    Well they'll have a midranger, but not any soon. I've seen some pretty nice photos taken with BLU, it's a nice piece of hardware.
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    02-18-2016 02:32 PM
  6. Rose640's Avatar
    Now that was a solid 15mins of reading and trying to catch and understand everything.

    So, apparently, you guys have some concerns about capitalism? Or should i say you kinda hate it? Well, i'm not far from that myself, but again there's the other side of the coin.

    If thing have stayed like they were on socialism/communism, that means no competing market. Would we have the world we have today? I mean, if there wasn't competition, what would push the inovations? In Yugoslavia we had f***** up cars, Yugo, ever heard of it? It is officialy the worst car ever driven on US roads (there may be some propaganda to it, but you'll get the point), government controlled the market, the prices, the wages, productivity, import... everything. And there was no or very few reasons to advance in fields where a consumer would have benefits.

    Thoughts?
    02-18-2016 02:41 PM
  7. Rose640's Avatar
    Now that was a solid 15mins of reading and trying to catch and understand everything.

    So, apparently, you guys have some concerns about capitalism? Or should i say you kinda hate it? Well, i'm not far from that myself, but again there's the other side of the coin.

    If thing have stayed like they were on socialism/communism, that means no competing market. Would we have the world we have today? I mean, if there wasn't competition, what would push the inovations? In Yugoslavia we had f***** up cars, Yugo, ever heard of it? It is officialy the worst car ever driven on US roads (there may be some propaganda to it, but you'll get the point), government controlled the market, the prices, the wages, productivity, import... everything. And there was no or very few reasons to advance in fields where a consumer would have benefits.

    Thoughts?
    Just to be clear, i'm not justifying capitalism here, just putting out some facts
    02-18-2016 02:47 PM
  8. AndyCalling's Avatar
    My only thought for a forum like this is to point out that socialism<>communism. Communism is an extreme form of socialism (as is national socialism for that matter) just as slavery is an extreme form of capitalism. Your post, Rose, seems to indicate otherwise and I think that will confuse any responses you get.
    02-18-2016 02:50 PM
  9. Rose640's Avatar
    My only thought for a forum like this is to point out that socialism<>communism. Communism is an extreme form of socialism (as is national socialism for that matter) just as slavery is an extreme form of capitalism. Your post, Rose, seems to indicate otherwise and I think that will confuse any responses you get.
    I didn't quite get that one, could you be a bit more clear? What does <> means?
    02-18-2016 03:12 PM
  10. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    it does look like a good looking phone but I don't think a good looking phone is worth that much when its functionality uses the cloud. I do wonder how it works out with people with a data cap? most likely not so good
    Sahib's brain is on fire today!

    That's my question with it. I think you may have more granular control over that, but nothing realistically beats bigger internal storage or SD slot for the data cap challenged folks.

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    02-18-2016 03:24 PM
  11. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    That's not always as simple as you may think, especially away from cities. Also, surely a bit of an extreme approach? Wouldn't you say? Perhaps you wouldn't, but I think many people would.
    People choose to do that.

    My response is more of an insider's joke to Sahib, but folks sometimes will be at a job, be unhappy enough, then move for a complete fresh start. It does happen.

    Nothing extreme about choosing that, if that's what's the best fit.

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    02-18-2016 04:48 PM
  12. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    My only thought for a forum like this is to point out that socialism<>communism. Communism is an extreme form of socialism (as is national socialism for that matter) just as slavery is an extreme form of capitalism. Your post, Rose, seems to indicate otherwise and I think that will confuse any responses you get.
    Chattel slavery initially started out as an economic vehicle for Western European countries to modernize by exploiting natural resources from other parts of the world since they were cut of from riches in Asia at the time of the Renaissance. But, chattel slavery evolved into something more than an "extreme for of capitalism" due to its (initially unforeseen and subsequently reinforced upon their discovery) devastating socioeconomic, sociocultural and psychological effects.

    Therefore, it doesn't fly as an appropriate analogy in the context you described. Just saying...

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    02-18-2016 04:56 PM
  13. sahib lopez's Avatar
    Well they'll have a midranger, but not any soon. I've seen some pretty nice photos taken with BLU, it's a nice piece of hardware.
    But compared to my 830 it falls short :/ sure it uses a new SOC( 400 vs 410 ) but that's about it no HAAC mic, doesn't have OIS, there is no shutter button , no wireless charging.
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    02-18-2016 07:18 PM
  14. sahib lopez's Avatar
    Now that was a solid 15mins of reading and trying to catch and understand everything.

    So, apparently, you guys have some concerns about capitalism? Or should i say you kinda hate it? Well, i'm not far from that myself, but again there's the other side of the coin.

    If thing have stayed like they were on socialism/communism, that means no competing market. Would we have the world we have today? I mean, if there wasn't competition, what would push the inovations? In Yugoslavia we had f***** up cars, Yugo, ever heard of it? It is officialy the worst car ever driven on US roads (there may be some propaganda to it, but you'll get the point), government controlled the market, the prices, the wages, productivity, import... everything. And there was no or very few reasons to advance in fields where a consumer would have benefits.

    Thoughts?
    On paper capitalism seems good but in reality it only benefits the rich ,while the middle class ( if there is one anymore ) are stuck paying most of the taxes and the poor ..... Stay poor.That's an over simplified Version of how I can wrap my head around capitalism . Each economic ideal has its ups and downs.
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    02-18-2016 07:27 PM
  15. sahib lopez's Avatar
    Sahib's brain is on fire today!

    That's my question with it. I think you may have more granular control over that, but nothing realistically beats bigger internal storage or SD slot for the data cap challenged folks.

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    I agree nothing does beat bigger internal storage. Considering devices are coming with 32 +SD card or 64 GB, who is this device for? I'm having a hard time thinking who it would be for
    02-18-2016 07:32 PM
  16. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    I agree nothing does beat bigger internal storage. Considering devices are coming with 32 +SD card or 64 GB, who is this device for? I'm having a hard time thinking who it would be for
    Same people targeted by the Nexus 5X. Both are very comparable actually...that's why there is still a 16GB Nexus in 2016...

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    02-18-2016 09:20 PM
  17. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    On paper capitalism seems good but in reality it only benefits the rich ,while the middle class ( if there is one anymore ) are stuck paying most of the taxes and the poor ..... Stay poor.That's an over simplified Version of how I can wrap my head around capitalism . Each economic ideal has its ups and downs.
    Good job Sahib. Brain is on fire today, I see.

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    02-18-2016 09:21 PM
  18. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    Now that was a solid 15mins of reading and trying to catch and understand everything.

    So, apparently, you guys have some concerns about capitalism? Or should i say you kinda hate it? Well, i'm not far from that myself, but again there's the other side of the coin.

    If thing have stayed like they were on socialism/communism, that means no competing market. Would we have the world we have today? I mean, if there wasn't competition, what would push the inovations? In Yugoslavia we had f***** up cars, Yugo, ever heard of it? It is officialy the worst car ever driven on US roads (there may be some propaganda to it, but you'll get the point), government controlled the market, the prices, the wages, productivity, import... everything. And there was no or very few reasons to advance in fields where a consumer would have benefits.

    Thoughts?
    I dislike much of the elements in capitalism, especially the ones that reinforces the rich v poor dichotomy. That's the short version of where I stand.

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    02-18-2016 09:27 PM
  19. worldspy99's Avatar
    Slick roads with rain that was much needed here, thanks to El Nio = lots of $$ out of my pocket thanks to a car accident at a really shoddy curve on the way to work today morning. I'm going to be busy for the next week or two sorting that out.
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    02-18-2016 09:31 PM
  20. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    Hey Sahib...i went nostalgic and made a Mr. West playlist, which had his stuff from 2009-2011...arguably the best sound Kanye had. I miss old school Kanye...he's gotten to be more hype man and Mr. Kardashian these days. Still plan to check on the Life of Pablo to hear what he's up to, but man "Power" and "Power" remix (feat. Jay-Z) are still some good stuffs.

    Maybe I'll pick up some Kendrick Lamar to stay current but I'm rocking that Mr. West playlist going to work tomorrow. Still say that Amber Rose detox album (My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy) is his best work yet...

    That was 6(!) years ago...wow...

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    02-18-2016 11:16 PM
  21. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Now that was a solid 15mins of reading and trying to catch and understand everything.

    So, apparently, you guys have some concerns about capitalism? Or should i say you kinda hate it? Well, i'm not far from that myself, but again there's the other side of the coin.

    If thing have stayed like they were on socialism/communism, that means no competing market. Would we have the world we have today? I mean, if there wasn't competition, what would push the inovations? In Yugoslavia we had f***** up cars, Yugo, ever heard of it? It is officialy the worst car ever driven on US roads (there may be some propaganda to it, but you'll get the point), government controlled the market, the prices, the wages, productivity, import... everything. And there was no or very few reasons to advance in fields where a consumer would have benefits.

    Thoughts?
    You're right about Yugo. Those cars were so bad that people in the US threw them away instead of fixing them when they broke.
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    02-18-2016 11:17 PM
  22. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Slick roads with rain that was much needed here, thanks to El Nio = lots of $$ out of my pocket thanks to a car accident at a really shoddy curve on the way to work today morning. I'm going to be busy for the next week or two sorting that out.
    Yikes! I'm sorry to hear this.
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    02-18-2016 11:17 PM
  23. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Slick roads with rain that was much needed here, thanks to El Nio = lots of $$ out of my pocket thanks to a car accident at a really shoddy curve on the way to work today morning. I'm going to be busy for the next week or two sorting that out.
    That's not good. As long as you're OK that's all that matters.
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    02-19-2016 01:17 AM
  24. Sport Driver's Avatar
    I'm in a bit of a dilemma . since msft isn't going to make anymore midrange phones I don't have an upgrade path for my 830. sure there is the blu win hd LTE, the acatel one touch for windows 10 but those phones lack in the camera department , also the recording isn't that good. which means the there is the 950 but that's to expensive for my taste right now. also the rumored phone from HP is going to be a high end phone which I bet will cost around the same price of the 950 XL when it launched. it sucks to want a mid range right now in wp :/
    Do you really need a new phone or just want it? :) If you aren't in a rush I would wait for L950 to drop in price.
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    02-19-2016 01:23 AM
  25. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Now that was a solid 15mins of reading and trying to catch and understand everything.

    So, apparently, you guys have some concerns about capitalism? Or should i say you kinda hate it? Well, i'm not far from that myself, but again there's the other side of the coin.

    If thing have stayed like they were on socialism/communism, that means no competing market. Would we have the world we have today? I mean, if there wasn't competition, what would push the inovations? In Yugoslavia we had f***** up cars, Yugo, ever heard of it? It is officialy the worst car ever driven on US roads (there may be some propaganda to it, but you'll get the point), government controlled the market, the prices, the wages, productivity, import... everything. And there was no or very few reasons to advance in fields where a consumer would have benefits.

    Thoughts?
    Communism has been implemented incorrectly in pretty much every country that it arose in. It's hard use any example as a proper measure if it was good or not.

    There are socialist countries, like Finland, where there is a mix of capitalist thinking and a socialist system where the poor, sick and old are well looked after. They just happen to have one of the best school systems in the world to.

    The problem you have in counties where capitalist ideas rule is that they believe it's the only method. You mention taxes to these people and you'd swear that you said a curse word. That's the problem. Capitalist society is pretty much the idea that low tax and free market are the only way to be successful. When the only measure of success is $$$ then you see why they think this way. That's why a school system like Finland's will never exist in capitalist controlled countries. Because it's too expensive which means higher taxes. Same with free health care.

    You can still have a competitive market and a good social system. Look up Denmark.

    The biggest issue you have is that in the last 40ish years there's been a concerted effort to make people believe that capitalism is good, taxes are bad, money is important, your neighbour should look after themselves and being poor is your fault. This is what I have issues with. The idea of individualism mixed with capitalist thinking has turned people into selfish greedy jerks for the most part.
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    02-19-2016 01:35 AM
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