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I just think Nokia and Microsoft aren't on the same page. Nokia is still pumping out a ton of WP7 devices that are cost effective and more profitable for Nokia. Meanwhile Microsoft has abandoned ship.
There is a point. Its more profitable for Nokia, as the parts are drastically cheaper. If you read Nokia financials, you'll see that Nokia actually sells more WP7 devices than WP8.There is still no point for Nokia to produce WP 7 devices. This may cause people to dislike MS even more, since " new " adopters of WP 7 will find out that they have been abandoned right from the start.
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...WP7 phones isn't capable of supporting DirectX 11, or Direct3D feature level 9_3 or whatever it is that WP8 uses. So, right there is one way that the hardware is incapable of supporting it. That doesn't mean that MS couldn't have chosen a different baseline to include the WP7 devices, but as it stands I'm not sure it's correct to say that the Lumia 900 for example could run WP8 if MS would only supply it.
I am very, very happy with it and will move to a Win 8 phone when I can. I know I am late to the game with it but it does what I need it too and found the apps I wanted so life is good.
I thought I read somewhere that the Adreno 205 GPU that was in most WP7 phones isn't capable of supporting DirectX 11, or Direct3D feature level 9_3 or whatever it is that WP8 uses. So, right there is one way that the hardware is incapable of supporting it. That doesn't mean that MS couldn't have chosen a different baseline to include the WP7 devices, but as it stands I'm not sure it's correct to say that the Lumia 900 for example could run WP8 if MS would only supply it.
Being dead would imply that WP7 is supported neither by Microsoft nor any of the manufacturers, that not a single WP7 app is ever again updated, that not a single new WP7 app is released, and that not a single new WP7 device is sold, none of which is true:
Even the statement that WP7 is dying is a tad overdramatic. If that is true, then WP8 is dying too, because every consumer product is headed towards the end of its shelf life! There is no switch that flips WP7 from "alive" to "dead". That transition is a long and drawn out process. That process has started, but we are still much closer to the beginning of that process than we are to its end.
- WP7.8 isn't the best possible OS update people could have hoped for, but it is an update. Unfortunately, that update has caused some problems, but Microsoft is working on fixing it. That wouldn't happen if WP7 were dead.
- Nokia continues to release updates to their apps for WP7; not dead
- Just today, WPC published an article announcing a new app for WP7, the BBC iPlayer; WP7 gets new apps every day; not dead
- WP7 devices are still being sold all over the world; not dead
The most dangerous bullet heading towards WP7 is a lower priced WP8 device. The Lumia 520 is likely to be that device, but it has yet to reach the market. That is much more important than the availability of OS updates, because most consumers aren't like the people on this forum. The masses care much more about cost than they do about the availability of updates.
1) You can get WP8 devices free with Contract. Sounds pretty low price to me.
2) WP 7.8 took an extremely long time, and all it added was the ability to resize tiles. They couldnt even do that without introducing a major bug.
3) The Data usage bug has been known for a month and MSFT is just now "considering a fix". They must have one intern working on WP7. s/he probably tests their own code.
The real killer of WP7, is the inability to use WP8 apps. There were already too few apps for WP7, do you think developers outside of MSFT are going to develop new apps for both WP7 and WP8?... have they been?
The masses care much more about cost than they do about the availability of updates.
1) The price of those "free" smartphones is just hidden in the carriers monthly service costs, making U.S. carriers the most expensive in the world. U.S. consumers are essentially just buying their smartphones on credit. Nothing is ever free.
2) Most people in the world buy their devices off contract. If you're assuming that most of the world's phone markets work as in western Europe or the U.S. you would be completely wrong.
3) I don't know about the U.S. , but in Europe pay-as-you-go plans are very popular. For consumers thinking about that approach, the unsubsidized upfront cost of a device is a major factor. That is precisely the reason the Lumia 800 has been the most successful Lumia smartphone to date.
WP7 remains successful, primarily due to its great price/performance ratio, and despite the apps issue.
Dead means "you get nothing". Clearly, WP7 owners are getting something, so clearly it is not dead. Whether you like what you are getting is an entirely different matter.
Yes, they have been. An app targeted at WP7 can also run on WP8. Since WP7 devices outnumber WP8 devices, developers have a large incentive to stick with WP7 for the time being. It's about money. I can't say for sure, but that is very likely the approach the BBC took with their recently released iPlayer app, which runs on both.
I'm not saying every app will run on WP7, but many will, and that will continue for quite some time.
Calling WP7 dead is just a silly over dramatization. It may no longer be appeal to enthusiasts, but that isn't the same thing as being "dead".
WP 7.8 is a buggy update, thats 7 months late.
new 3rd party WP7 apps? Where? Go to the homepage and scroll down. Outside of Nokia apps for Nokia phones, there are very few WP7 apps being developed.
Even the Microsoft made "Datasense" a WP8 app and its carrier exclusive? WHY! Thats basic functionality of almost all smartphones(outside of Windows Phones). WP7 is as dead as WebOS when the touchpad firesale happened.