05-25-2013 02:31 PM
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  1. EauRouge's Avatar
    I agree with you OP.

    I think Nokia should be given exclusive rights to allow for an even stronger and more unified push of WP devices.

    That being said, if WP starts to get really big, there will be remorse for not fostering more competition, a la Android.

    This is a tough problem to wrestle with, almost as tough as the whole "should BBM have gone cross platform" issue!
    snowmutt likes this.
    05-23-2013 04:45 PM
  2. ArjanNL's Avatar
    You say, you don't like Nokia hardware and surface phone concept looks almost same as 928 and 822 from the front. Back is different(flat) but obviously 928's back is better.
    "Don't like the hardware" is maybe not the correct formulation.
    Don't get me wrong that nokia is doing a good job to windows Phone.
    But if I had to choose between 8x and 920 which I did. (and maybe i was to greedy to get a WP, that I bought was the first WP (htc)
    ..I still choose the 8x for the outside looks. in my opinion the 920 is al really large and robust Phone.

    A well, I have still my 8x for a least 1.5. years i think. Maybe after that there a more Phone choices.
    05-24-2013 03:20 AM
  3. jlzimmerman's Avatar
    If Samsung and HTC never released another Windows Phone device would you miss the diversity? Or is a Nokia driven Windows Phone platform perfectly fine with you?
    Yes.
    No.

    It makes zero business sense for Nokia or M$ to put all their mobile eggs in one basket. That would be very near sighted and could invite catastrophe from several different avenues. It is also very bad for the consumer. Competition is good for the consumer.
    05-24-2013 09:09 AM
  4. snowmutt's Avatar
    Yes.
    No.

    It makes zero business sense for Nokia or M$ to put all their mobile eggs in one basket. That would be very near sighted and could invite catastrophe from several different avenues. It is also very bad for the consumer. Competition is good for the consumer.


    It is an interesting argument, ever since Nokia has gotten onboard. But, where I think we at WP Central may be missing the proverbial forest for all these stinking trees is.... Nokia IS innovating due to competition. We all know the list of goodies... City Lens, Mapping, exclusive camera apps, improving the hardware on screens sensitivity, so on so forth. Is there anyone out there that truly thinks Nokia is doing these things because they are concerned about other WP manufacturers? Or are they doing it in response to the Android dominance, Apple profit margins, and BlackBerry 10? Of COURSE it isn't the other WP devices. Nokia already rules that small pond. But Nokia wants back to being the biggest and best device maker in the world. So, innovation for them will not end if they are the only WP handset manufacturing partner of MS. No worries there. Microsoft was smart to offer whatever they had to to get Nokia as a partner.

    Scary thought: Where would we be without them????

    Microsoft wants a cross platform, software empire. Honestly, if Nokia could get to 10%-15% of worldwide cell phone sales all by themselves, and I think they surely can with enough time and support from MS along with a little more urgency from Redmond, mission would be accomplished. Nokia made the mistake once about taking advantage of being #1. I think WP would be fine in their hands.



    Now, after all that, I sure HOPE HTC and Sammy stay onboard. But, I do not think it is life or death.
    05-24-2013 09:35 AM
  5. Divair's Avatar
    As much as some fanboys wish for it to be, Nokia will not achieve exclusivity with regards to WP (and if they do, that's not a good thing. Competition is always good). Samsung, HTC, and Huawei will probably make phones for the next generation of phones, and I wouldn't be surprised if more manufacturers jump on board. I'd like to see what companies like Sony or LG could throw into the mix, as it seems that each company brings its own vision of what WP is.
    05-24-2013 10:46 AM
  6. anyacooool's Avatar
    I think till date Nokia is the best hardware maker of all.....coupled with Windows, I think people will prefer Nokia windows phones to any other hardware....plus it is rumored that Nokia is merging with MS.....even better!! The WP software guys need to be faster in developing apps and keep them updated....in no time WP will come shoulder to shoulder with Android!!
    05-24-2013 01:13 PM
  7. Natrox's Avatar
    Competition is good for the market. Killing off other brands is a dumb idea.
    05-24-2013 01:26 PM
  8. WPenvy's Avatar
    With the constant leading innovations, exclusive content, and growing number of services from Nokia, are we at the point where Windows Phone is identified as Nokia as iOS is Apple? HTC and a reluctant Samsung have pit out decent hardware but aside from that have been mostly absent from the Windows Phone landscape. And do we really even need Huawei and other low end less known OEMs on the platform. If Samsung and HTC never released another Windows Phone device would you miss the diversity? Or is a Nokia driven Windows Phone platform perfectly fine with you? Personally given the fact that Nokia creates such beautiful hardware coupled with leading camera and maps technology, as long as EVERY CARRIER(as far as the US is concerned) gets the same device, I believe I would be satisfied with that. What are your thoughts? Is Windows Phone on the verge of becoming a Nokia only manufacturer? Would you rather see Sony, Motorola, or LG get in the mix?
    Lol, you said Motorola and Window Phone in the same paragraph... You remember they're owned by Google right?
    05-24-2013 01:33 PM
  9. WPenvy's Avatar
    Competition is good for the market. Killing off other brands is a dumb idea.
    Apple is doing quite fine.
    05-24-2013 01:34 PM
  10. JerseySal's Avatar
    Reading this thread made me lose all hope for humanity. I hope some of the people in this thread don't have kids. If so, I hope the mother is a Casey Anthony type.
    05-24-2013 01:39 PM
  11. Divair's Avatar
    Apple is doing quite fine.
    I presume you missed the part where they're losing market share and their share price is dropping like a rock.
    05-24-2013 01:43 PM
  12. Nabkawe5's Avatar
    Windows Phone is not Nokia.
    Nokia is Lumia , Lumia stands to be more popular than WP8 as a brand. **** it stands to be more popular than all of MS's tries at Mobile OSes
    05-24-2013 01:50 PM
  13. juanitoriv's Avatar
    Windows Phone is not Nokia.
    Nokia is Lumia , Lumia stands to be more popular than WP8 as a brand. **** it stands to be more popular than all of MS's tries at Mobile OSes
    I must disagree. Its the Windows Phone 8X/S by HTC. Then you have the Lumia series..
    05-24-2013 01:56 PM
  14. ianberg's Avatar
    Assuming this is true then Nokia is crippling Windows Phone 8 adoption and development by signing exclusivity agreements with one carrier per country. This is a terrible strategy and Microsoft should figuratively kick their man Stephen Elop (Nokia's CEO) in the rear to change it.
    05-24-2013 02:30 PM
  15. juanitoriv's Avatar
    Assuming this is true then Nokia is crippling Windows Phone 8 adoption and development by signing exclusivity agreements with one carrier per country. This is a terrible strategy and Microsoft should figuratively kick their man Stephen Elop (Nokia's CEO) in the rear to change it.
    That would definitely be one way to go. I like it!!
    05-24-2013 02:37 PM
  16. Divair's Avatar
    I must disagree. Its the Windows Phone 8X/S by HTC. Then you have the Lumia series..
    Are you saying the HTC phones are more popular than the Lumias?
    05-24-2013 04:45 PM
  17. juanitoriv's Avatar
    Are you saying the HTC phones are more popular than the Lumias?
    How could I possibly say that?? I can say that HTC didn't subscribe to carrier exclusive-ness
    05-24-2013 04:48 PM
  18. RaRa85's Avatar
    How could I possibly say that?? I can say that HTC didn't subscribe to carrier exclusive-ness
    Lol AKA hasn't done anything for their customers or the Windows Phone ecosystem. It's not that Nokia is doing too much. It's that other manufacturers aren't doing nearly enough.
    05-24-2013 10:08 PM
  19. RaRa85's Avatar
    Lol, you said Motorola and Window Phone in the same paragraph... You remember they're owned by Google right?
    Ha ha good point.
    05-24-2013 10:10 PM
  20. Divair's Avatar
    How could I possibly say that?? I can say that HTC didn't subscribe to carrier exclusive-ness
    You were replying to a post that says that the Lumia series stands to be more popular than WP8 as a brand.

    What does carrier exclusivity have to do with that?
    05-25-2013 09:40 AM
  21. juanitoriv's Avatar
    Well, I must digress. Nokia is selling more handsets than any other OEMs. They have more TO sell. However, I got an 810 as a mis-shipped replacement for an 8X, and I promptly sent it back. I was willing to give it a go though. My 8X is just sexy!! As much as a phone could be that is..
    05-25-2013 12:10 PM
  22. X0LARIUM's Avatar
    It is an interesting argument, ever since Nokia has gotten onboard. But, where I think we at WP Central may be missing the proverbial forest for all these stinking trees is.... Nokia IS innovating due to competition. We all know the list of goodies... City Lens, Mapping, exclusive camera apps, improving the hardware on screens sensitivity, so on so forth. Is there anyone out there that truly thinks Nokia is doing these things because they are concerned about other WP manufacturers? Or are they doing it in response to the Android dominance, Apple profit margins, and BlackBerry 10? Of COURSE it isn't the other WP devices. Nokia already rules that small pond. But Nokia wants back to being the biggest and best device maker in the world. So, innovation for them will not end if they are the only WP handset manufacturing partner of MS. No worries there. Microsoft was smart to offer whatever they had to to get Nokia as a partner.

    Scary thought: Where would we be without them????

    Microsoft wants a cross platform, software empire. Honestly, if Nokia could get to 10%-15% of worldwide cell phone sales all by themselves, and I think they surely can with enough time and support from MS along with a little more urgency from Redmond, mission would be accomplished. Nokia made the mistake once about taking advantage of being #1. I think WP would be fine in their hands.



    Now, after all that, I sure HOPE HTC and Sammy stay onboard. But, I do not think it is life or death.

    Snowmutt! How u doing mate...good to see u! And to echo your thoughts, I wonder if Steve Jobs thought like that. I know te world has changed, with several competitors around u. Forget handsets and OEMs, there is now going to be a fierce competition amongst OS too. There is Jolla, UBUNTU, BBM, iOS, Tizen, Firefox etc etc..
    s from Nokia's perspective, they don't need to run ahead of their own race. That they already are. They need to be for WP what Samsung is for Android..I completely agree with u...
    Last edited by XENOPHOS; 05-25-2013 at 02:42 PM.
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