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  1. leo74's Avatar
    Having used Android iOS and WP8, here is my experience. maybe that helps you to decide if a switch is for you...
    I started with iOS because it was cool at the time and to be honest, it does what it does pretty well. It is simple to use and there are TONS of applications out there.
    What led me to leave iOS though was that the only way was Apple's way and the loyal fan base accepted everything without ever questioning. I vividly remember when Apple shipped the broken iPhone 4 (where you could kill every call by holding your phone and touching a spot on the metal frame) and instead of coming out saying "sorry, we messed up" the answer was: "you are holding it wrong" or " just get a cover". This behavior pretty much killed the iPhone for me.
    I then switched to Android and to be honest I was pretty happy with it. I enjoyed the flexibility and the massive amount of applications. Over the time though, I realized that I really only use a handful of apps on a regular basis and that I was missing features in the OS that would make me so much more productive. On top of that, I started to experience many problems with freezing apps and randomly restarting phones. Since there really wasn't a lot of alternative I stuck to Android until last fall.
    When I learned about WP8, I pretty much had the same concerns as you do. The apparent lack of major apps I used on a daily basis was quite a concern. But when looking at the OS more closely and realizing that it finally does what I was looking for to keep me productive (complete office integration, sharepoint integration, Lync on my phone....) I gave it a shot. From the fist day until now I have not once looked back to the other OS. WP8 simply does everything it does extremely well. Yes, there are some trade-offs like the lack of a notification center and some official apps missing in the store. But here is what I found out about myself: There is absolutely no reason to use an app to access a mobile site if you can just use the mobile site instead. Take facebook for instance. I get updates from the people I care about via their tiles and usually use the people hub to check on all the others. And beside that, I log in to facebook's mobile site every once in a while. I deleted the facebook app I had installed because I really never use it. I am sure that many of the sites you mentioned have decent mobile sites, so I believe a simple bookmark can do a lot for you.
    As many others already mentioned, there are plenty of 3rd party apps out there, that work very well and often even better than the official apps. And truth to be told: Some apps will probably take a while before they find their way to WP8. This is the case with every new OS.
    I think you need to ask yourself two simple question:
    Does the best smartphone camera out there outweigh the fact that you might not have all the apps you want?
    Are the apps you are missing really that important to you or are you just using an app for certain things because there happens to be one?

    As I stated, I am not looking back because there really is nothing I miss.
    And as for market share:
    WP is here to stay, at least in my book. I come across many, many professionals every day and to be frank, most of them have no idea what my L920 is. But each and everyone of them asks me about it, plays with is and tell me that this seems so much better than what they have now. The more people come in touch with the OS, the more people will switch. So if you make the switch, it is up to you (and any of us) to help keeping WP around :)

    Whatever your answer is, at the end of the day the phone has to work for you. It does for me, so I would highly recommend WP8.

    Good luck with whatever you end up with!
    mpt15, sueha, JohnStrk and 2 others like this.
    08-22-2013 09:58 AM
  2. tgzgeorge's Avatar
    Having used Android iOS and WP8, here is my experience. maybe that helps you to decide if a switch is for you...
    I started with iOS because it was cool at the time and to be honest, it does what it does pretty well. It is simple to use and there are TONS of applications out there.
    What led me to leave iOS though was that the only way was Apple's way and the loyal fan base accepted everything without ever questioning. I vividly remember when Apple shipped the broken iPhone 4 (where you could kill every call by holding your phone and touching a spot on the metal frame) and instead of coming out saying "sorry, we messed up" the answer was: "you are holding it wrong" or " just get a cover". This behavior pretty much killed the iPhone for me.
    I then switched to Android and to be honest I was pretty happy with it. I enjoyed the flexibility and the massive amount of applications. Over the time though, I realized that I really only use a handful of apps on a regular basis and that I was missing features in the OS that would make me so much more productive. On top of that, I started to experience many problems with freezing apps and randomly restarting phones. Since there really wasn't a lot of alternative I stuck to Android until last fall.
    When I learned about WP8, I pretty much had the same concerns as you do. The apparent lack of major apps I used on a daily basis was quite a concern. But when looking at the OS more closely and realizing that it finally does what I was looking for to keep me productive (complete office integration, sharepoint integration, Lync on my phone....) I gave it a shot. From the fist day until now I have not once looked back to the other OS. WP8 simply does everything it does extremely well. Yes, there are some trade-offs like the lack of a notification center and some official apps missing in the store. But here is what I found out about myself: There is absolutely no reason to use an app to access a mobile site if you can just use the mobile site instead. Take facebook for instance. I get updates from the people I care about via their tiles and usually use the people hub to check on all the others. And beside that, I log in to facebook's mobile site every once in a while. I deleted the facebook app I had installed because I really never use it. I am sure that many of the sites you mentioned have decent mobile sites, so I believe a simple bookmark can do a lot for you.
    As many others already mentioned, there are plenty of 3rd party apps out there, that work very well and often even better than the official apps. And truth to be told: Some apps will probably take a while before they find their way to WP8. This is the case with every new OS.
    I think you need to ask yourself two simple question:
    Does the best smartphone camera out there outweigh the fact that you might not have all the apps you want?
    Are the apps you are missing really that important to you or are you just using an app for certain things because there happens to be one?

    As I stated, I am not looking back because there really is nothing I miss.
    And as for market share:
    WP is here to stay, at least in my book. I come across many, many professionals every day and to be frank, most of them have no idea what my L920 is. But each and everyone of them asks me about it, plays with is and tell me that this seems so much better than what they have now. The more people come in touch with the OS, the more people will switch. So if you make the switch, it is up to you (and any of us) to help keeping WP around :)I agree

    Whatever your answer is, at the end of the day the phone has to work for you. It does for me, so I would highly recommend WP8.

    Good luck with whatever you end up with!
    08-22-2013 10:04 AM
  3. broar94's Avatar
    *blink, blink*

    Let's see... Portico, Amber, GDR2, and GDR3 and 8.1 on the horizon. And WP8 hasn't even been out a full year. Slow in updating? Huh. Ok.
    WP8 Came 10 months ago and we had only like what one update? And Amber+GDDR2 hasjust been rolling out. The next update will arrive only in 2014 lol . WP7 had only 7.5(Mango) ONE update in three years. Does that count? Everyone knows MS has been ignoring their own MS phone OS, while I believe the recent MS re-org might start delivering updates faster than it should be! Cheers!
    08-22-2013 10:08 AM
  4. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    For features I only believe a couple are missing. The big one for me is custom notifications, that drives me nuts but I have learned to live without it. I work in a cube farm and all the custom notification I here around me drive me nuts. I leave my phone on vibrate simply because I think its rude for the whole office to hear your phone.

    as in apps I believe more and more are coming out day by day the phone just keeps getting stronger. A lot of issues that people had with wp7 were fixed in wp8.
    When it comes to features it really comes down to what you personally expect from a smartphone. On the whole I don't have many issues just a couple that to me 'should have been standard' from the beginning. So I'm not the one complaining. I was stating that's what you normally see on here.
    08-22-2013 10:11 AM
  5. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    WP8 Came 10 months ago and we had only like what one update? And Amber+GDDR2 hasjust been rolling out. The next update will arrive only in 2014 lol . WP7 had only 7.5(Mango) ONE update in three years. Does that count? Everyone knows MS has been ignoring their own MS phone OS, while I believe the recent MS re-org might start delivering updates faster than it should be! Cheers!
    Though I don't 100% disagree with you with regards to speed of updates, it's been one of the biggest complaints. Not for brining out new features even, just fixing what's 'generally wrong' with the OS. So looking at things as it is. GDR1 was first, we're now getting GDR2. GDR3 will be out in the next quarter (so after the 'year' mark) and then WP8.1 first quarter 2014. I think GDR2 took longer because they realized there was more wrong then expected. I think GDR3 will be quicker.
    08-22-2013 10:15 AM
  6. Mercule's Avatar
    I switched to a Lumia 928, last Monday, from an iPhone and I had Android before that (and a Pre before that). I was very leery about it because, well, iOS has a ton of apps and that's pretty much the big weakness for WP, right? I'm still in the 14 day cancellation window -- I know because I went into this clutching a parachute. I didn't hate my iPhone. It's a good, comfortable platform. There are a done of apps available and I've spent more money on iPhone/iPad apps in the last couple years than on PC and PS3 software. There is no chance of me going back to an iPhone, though.

    I was concerned about lack of quality games that I recognized. Last Friday, I sat down to play a game on my PS3. Ended up spending 1.5 hours playing Zombie HQ on my phone, instead. I have never chosen an iPhone game over a console or PC game. I still have some board games on my iPad (Small World, Puerto Rico) that I'll play with my wife, but that's a different niche entirely.

    I was concerned about daily-use apps. I miss my TiVo app because I actually have to turn on the TV to see what's been recorded, but we cut the cord, last month, so I'm finding Netflix is more relevant, anyway. Otherwise, Zite and Pandora experiences on WP have been superior to iOS. I much prefer the WP email client to the iPhone native client, the Gmail client for iOS, or (by a huge margin) any of the email clients for Android (I think I tried all of them). Ditto for the calendar app. I've got access to SkyDrive, Box, and DropBox (sorry, don't use Google Drive). All of them are easier to work with than the Android or iOS versions -- granted, it's been a couple years for Android and this is (IMO) the biggest weakness for iOS. I also have a really nice OneNote and MS Office experience, which are even more important to me than I thought (OneNote is to Evernote what Word is to Wordpad).

    I thought the live tiles were going to feel like bland, clumsy launch icons. Not so! They really do provide a ton of information and ease of use. It's like having Android widgets for almost every app -- and they generally follow the same style guidelines rather than running the risk of being individually beautiful but a discordant mess when put together.

    That's my experience with my phone, so far. I came in skeptical, but I'm now more attached to my phone than any I've had since my Palm Pre, which is pretty high praise, from me. YMMV, etc. Without knowing more about specific concerns, though, all I can do is give you my experience.
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    08-22-2013 10:22 AM
  7. iamtim's Avatar
    WP8 Came 10 months ago and we had only like what one update? And Amber+GDDR2 hasjust been rolling out.
    And by comparison, how many updates have Android/iOS had?

    WP7 had only 7.5(Mango) ONE update in three years. Does that count?
    I would say no, because while WP7 and WP8 share many features, WP8 is a very different OS under the hood. Of course, one could say that WP8 was a major upgrade to WP7.

    That said, I was not involved with WP7, I was an iOS guy who experimented with Android (and didn't like it). So all that I have to compare is iOS vs. WP8.

    Everyone knows MS has been ignoring their own MS phone OS
    You shouldn't use terms like "everyone". I neither know, nor believe, nor have seen that behavior out of Microsoft.
    08-22-2013 10:31 AM
  8. phasar's Avatar
    Personally, I wouldn't recommend WP8 to any adult. The OS is smooth and stable, but until they figure out how to fix the random battery drain issues, I would stay away from WP8. I really expected Nokia to push the envelope more on their devices seeing that they are in a sink or swim position. Maybe they expected Windows to bring more to the table than they actually did. If someone had told me that WP8 would have less features at this stage of development then my old Nokia E71, I would have laughed. But sadly and surprisingly that is the case.
    08-22-2013 11:27 AM
  9. iamtim's Avatar
    the random battery drain issues
    Has that even been formally identified as a thing? It seems to me that for each person who complains about it, someone else says they've never experienced it.
    JohnStrk and Nataku4ca like this.
    08-22-2013 11:35 AM
  10. In Limbo's Avatar
    Yes.
    08-22-2013 11:36 AM
  11. Boris Lozac's Avatar
    someone else says they've never experienced it.
    Someone like you yes..
    I've seen enough of it on the web and here on the forum to formally identify it as a thing..
    08-22-2013 11:36 AM
  12. Nataku4ca's Avatar
    WP7 had only 7.5(Mango) ONE update in three years.
    shows how much you know... WP7 had Nodo first which was a great update, 7.5 Mango was a major feature update, then there was Tango to fix a few things, and finally 7.8 which brought the new screen and a few other things... knowing how phone upgrades work I hold very little grudge that we can't update to WP8, architectural change would require a flash of the rom that has a good chance of bricking the phone and i know a few Android friends that had bricked their phone trying to use a custom rom, imagine that but on an official level, would have been much worse

    so ya, back to topic that is four "feature" updates in total out of two years + lots of Nokia love (they are still giving us perks)
    08-22-2013 12:21 PM
  13. Nataku4ca's Avatar
    Someone like you yes..
    I've seen enough of it on the web and here on the forum to formally identify it as a thing..
    people still believe comments on the internet? @@ :P
    i've seen it once, when Lumia 800 first came out, that was Nokia's issue which got resolved, and now I have seen Lumia 520 (x2, coworker+cousin), Ativ S (my sister), HTC 8x (my buddy) and none of them had the issue described... so let me put it this way, may be the people complaining had hardware issues?

    and internet comments tend to make issues sound more widespread then it really is, there are legit ones, but that doesn't mean everything you read is real, i mean look at XBox One and PS4, not even out yet and there are 300+ reviews for them on Bestbuy and Amazon already...
    08-22-2013 12:30 PM
  14. iamtim's Avatar
    i've seen it once, when Lumia 800 first came out, that was Nokia's issue which got resolved, and now I have seen Lumia 520 (x2, coworker+cousin), Ativ S (my sister), HTC 8x (my buddy) and none of them had the issue described... so let me put it this way, may be the people complaining had hardware issues?
    The very first Lumia 920 I got - the week of their initial release - drained battery like it was going out of style. It also ran in a state of perpetual overheating and randomly disconnected all connectivity until the phone was restarted. I returned that phone. I got an HTC 8X, no random battery drain or rebooting (a problem commonly associated with the 8X; I was fortunate) but I didn't like the form factor so I sold it. I got a Lumia 820, and it had no random battery drain at all; it's only problem was that the battery was a little loose, but that's nothing a folded piece of paper didn't fix. I got stupid and fell for the "ugh, WP8 has no good apps" line and sold it, switching back to an iPhone 4s. Last month I realized my mistake, sold my 4s, and got another Lumia 920. This Lumia 920's battery has been perfect with no random drain at all; I take it off the charger at about 5:30 AM and put it back on the charger at around 10:30 PM with about 40% charge remaining.

    I'm not saying the issue doesn't exist, I'm just saying that I'm unconvinced it's a hardware or OS issue. I think it's more likely an issue with conflicting or poorly written apps/background tasks.

    But that's just me.
    08-22-2013 12:44 PM
  15. tgp's Avatar
    And by comparison, how many updates have Android/iOS had?
    It doesn't matter how many updates Android/iOS had; they don't need them (as much).
    08-22-2013 12:44 PM
  16. Nataku4ca's Avatar
    The very first Lumia 920 I got - the week of their initial release - drained battery like it was going out of style. It also ran in a state of perpetual overheating and randomly disconnected all connectivity until the phone was restarted.
    not sure if 920 had this problem as wide spread or you just got a bad phone (not in my list of seen around me so...)

    I got an HTC 8X, no random battery drain or rebooting (a problem commonly associated with the 8X; I was fortunate)
    my buddy's seems fine too, may be a particular batch?

    battery was a little loose, but that's nothing a folded piece of paper didn't fix.
    really? @@ wonder if that's the norm for that device

    sold my 4s, and got another Lumia 920. This Lumia 920's battery has been perfect with no random drain at all
    glad you're back with no issue on the new phone :)


    I'm not saying the issue doesn't exist, I'm just saying that I'm unconvinced it's a hardware or OS issue. I think it's more likely an issue with conflicting or poorly written apps/background tasks.

    But that's just me.
    just to be clear for my part too, im just saying people are making it sound like its on every device which isn't the case, i can't say WP8 is so optimized that this will never happen, but if a guy that posted angry post saying there is battery drain issue, but was actually fiddling around with the phone all day and playing heavy hitter games because he just got the phone, and then he comes around and say that the phone only lasts a half day, do you really want to believe him...
    08-22-2013 01:07 PM
  17. iamtim's Avatar
    not sure if 920 had this problem as wide spread or you just got a bad phone
    I think QC on the first batches of 920s was rushed, because there were reports of similar issues all over these - and other - forums. The solution was to get the phone replaced. And, as I mentioned, my new 920 has been stellar.

    glad you're back with no issue on the new phone :)
    Thanks, and me too. I should have mentioned that to save money I tried a 520 before I picked up my current 920. It, too, was completely lacking in any sort of random battery drain issue. It was a great phone, I just needed something a bit... more. :)

    i can't say WP8 is so optimized that this will never happen
    Agreed. I mean, ultimately, it's a Microsoft product. And while Microsoft is getting way better with product quality, what's the first rule of troubleshooting Microsoft issues?

    "Reboot, try again."

    :D
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    08-22-2013 01:42 PM
  18. venom5150's Avatar
    I just wanted to say that I "Like" stuff all the time vie the OS Facebook, Twitter integration. Select the + sign and select the thumbs up. Unless I am misinterpreting what you said.
    08-22-2013 03:35 PM
  19. nohra's Avatar
    For me, the camera (Lumia 920 in my case) far outweighed any app availability concerns. Nokia is all in on Windows Phone, even if HTC drops out WP isn't going away unless Nokia goes away. Certainly not in near future. In fact many apps are coming over to WP faster than ever before.

    It all depends on what you use your phone for the most. For me, social media is of zero importance so I can't speak to that, but I had thought Facebook and Twitter were supposed to be pretty well integrated into WP8. And we just got an Instagram app. And I'm pretty sure there's whatsapp and ebay.

    If you come over to WP, be prepared to enjoy the heck out of your phone (especially if you get a 1020)!!
    08-22-2013 04:05 PM
  20. the_icon12's Avatar
    WP7 had only 7.5(Mango) ONE update in three years. Does that count? !
    You just went full retard man. Never go full retard.
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    08-22-2013 08:07 PM
  21. capcom303's Avatar
    Well was able to switch the back ground and that has helped. But today my battery life sucked. Battery died without that much use. Phone is a week old tomorrow so many battery will get better but every other day no problem with battery life.

    Also as some one else posted lack of setting custom tones for things like text is possibly going to be the breaking point for me.
    08-22-2013 09:27 PM
  22. mhans311's Avatar
    I have been an android user for about 3 years. I had a brief stint with an HTC trophy about a year and a half ago. Liked it for about a month then went back to Android. A few months ago I picked up an HTC 8x. WP has improved, but after a couple months I just got really bored again. The few little things that are missing in WP really bothered me such as notifications and no separate volume controls. I had to go back to Android.
    Like others have said, WP isn't finished yet. And that's how it feels to use it. I feel like there is a lot of promise but it just doesn't feel like a complete experience.
    Not trying to bash WP as I do like the OS and I will definitely be following its development.
    One other thing: WP is very smooth. I wouldn't call it fast since the transitions from screen to screen are somewhat slow, but it is SMOOTH. Android has come a long way as well. I have been using the galaxy note 2 for a couple weeks and haven't had a single bit of lag or stutter. Just my experience.

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    08-22-2013 09:27 PM
  23. tgp's Avatar
    One other thing: WP is very smooth. I wouldn't call it fast since the transitions from screen to screen are somewhat slow, but it is SMOOTH.
    That is a perfect explanation! Not fast, but smooth. Definitely my experience.
    08-22-2013 10:51 PM
  24. broar94's Avatar
    shows how much you know... WP7 had Nodo first which was a great update, 7.5 Mango was a major feature update, then there was Tango to fix a few things, and finally 7.8 which brought the new screen and a few other things... knowing how phone upgrades work I hold very little grudge that we can't update to WP8, architectural change would require a flash of the rom that has a good chance of bricking the phone and i know a few Android friends that had bricked their phone trying to use a custom rom, imagine that but on an official level, would have been much worse

    so ya, back to topic that is four "feature" updates in total out of two years + lots of Nokia love (they are still giving us perks)
    Ah well I meant Major update. The other updates which you have mentioned (except 7.8 which I believe was brought AFTER wp8 came out so to appease Wp7 people who wanted the new homescreen(with multiple row of icons lol)) are all minor fixes and not really new features unlike Mango. For more information, you can see here: Windows Phone version history - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia . So basically the point I was trying to make was MS is very slow in their updates. I'm only hoping to see many more updates albeit at a faster pace.. :)

    Wp8 is still immature and has long way to go for sure. My Lumia has already rebooted on me last week, My modded Droid NEVER failed on me. Dont compare Custom roms on Android with Wp8 lol dont make me laugh. Custom roms are really cool, nice way of trying new things whereas on Windows Phoen you are stuck with the same old tile look :) . Same with IOS. OP has to decide if he wants to try out a newer OS(like I did) or stick with Android(which has far more functionalities than either OS, and is really endless with the right Phone.
    Last edited by broar94; 08-23-2013 at 03:09 AM.
    08-23-2013 02:57 AM
  25. phasar's Avatar
    I'm still trying to figure out how WP8 expected to compete against two giants like Apple and Google without offering any full featured phones. I'm hoping Nokia can survive and WP8 challenges for smartphone supremacy in the future, but currently they have quite a ways to go.
    08-23-2013 05:48 AM
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