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  1. EZJ's Avatar
    That's really lame to be honest. Here I was ready to jump to WP8 thanks to the changes in GDR3. But seems Lumia Black isn't coming until early 2014, which probably means GDR3 is coming around the same timeframe.

    A real let down...
    10-22-2013 08:36 AM
  2. inteller's Avatar
    well if he buys one of those new phones coming out this year he will get GDR3. It isn't coming to old phones until then.
    10-22-2013 08:37 AM
  3. rdubmu's Avatar
    I have it on my Lumia 920. :)

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    10-22-2013 08:47 AM
  4. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    I have it on my Lumia 920. :)

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    That's a preview not the real release. :P
    unstoppablekem likes this.
    10-22-2013 08:50 AM
  5. he_shark's Avatar
    That's a preview not the real release. :P
    It's the developer preview, it's the same as the full release of GDR3. As for Nokia Black, for that it seems we will need to wait a bit longer but most features are already here with GDR3 and the updates coming from Nokia today.
    rdubmu likes this.
    10-22-2013 09:02 AM
  6. gsquared's Avatar
    That's really lame to be honest. Here I was ready to jump to WP8 thanks to the changes in GDR3. But seems Lumia Black isn't coming until early 2014, which probably means GDR3 is coming around the same timeframe.

    A real let down...
    Taking a look at the calendar early 2014 isn't too far away. If you are that impatient don't what to tell ya. Enjoy your new Android I guess.
    Jazmac likes this.
    10-22-2013 09:08 AM
  7. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    It's the developer preview, it's the same as the full release of GDR3. As for Nokia Black, for that it seems we will need to wait a bit longer but most features are already here with GDR3 and the updates coming from Nokia today.
    Um, no it's not the same as the full release. That's like saying that W8.1 preview was the same as RTM. It's for developers to preview to ascertain issues with their apps and with GDR3 itself. What you have on your phone is not the RTM version.
    10-22-2013 09:09 AM
  8. jmshub's Avatar
    The developer preview for gdr3 is the final release of the product from Microsoft. What makes it "not final" is the lack of any firmware update that the manufacturer may roll into the update package.
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    10-22-2013 09:11 AM
  9. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Taking a look at the calendar early 2014 isn't too far away. If you are that impatient don't what to tell ya. Enjoy your new Android I guess.
    Yeah but W8.1 was supposed to come out Q1 2014. Let's be clear here, GDR3 is not WP8.1. So where does that fit in the grand scheme of things now? I'd be happy if WP8.1 came out in Q1 but considering that they have missed every date they gave an indication of so far I'm not holding my breath. Then we have the stupid carriers. So what, WP8.1 by September 2014?
    MyNL822 likes this.
    10-22-2013 09:12 AM
  10. BaritoneGuy's Avatar
    The developer preview for gdr3 is the final release of the product from Microsoft. What makes it "not final" is the lack of any firmware update that the manufacturer may roll into the update package.
    This ^^
    10-22-2013 09:12 AM
  11. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    The developer preview for gdr3 is the final release of the product from Microsoft. What makes it "not final" is the lack of any firmware update that the manufacturer may roll into the update package.
    That was not my understanding. If that's their final release they did a great job of releasing a really buggy update.
    10-22-2013 09:13 AM
  12. Shinigami910's Avatar
    A developer "preview" is just that a preview. It is not the final version as Microsoft can and probably will, make changes. As stated before the current "preview" is quite buggy. You could even consider this preview to be kind of like a beta test :)
    N_LaRUE likes this.
    10-22-2013 09:21 AM
  13. theefman's Avatar
    The developer preview for gdr3 is the final release of the product from Microsoft. What makes it "not final" is the lack of any firmware update that the manufacturer may roll into the update package.
    Its not, its exactly what the name implies, a preview for developers to test their apps on.
    N_LaRUE likes this.
    10-22-2013 09:22 AM
  14. hopmedic's Avatar
    Listen to last week's Windows Weekly. Leo, Mary Jo, and Paul talked with Greg Sullivan, Director of Windows Phone at Microsoft. During the show, Greg clearly states that the bits we downloaded as developers are the same bits that they released to OEMs.

    We HAVE GDR 3.
    10-22-2013 09:29 AM
  15. hopmedic's Avatar
    Its not, its exactly what the name implies, a preview for developers to test their apps on.
    No - there are no new APIs to test against.
    10-22-2013 09:29 AM
  16. Shinigami910's Avatar
    Listen to last week's Windows Weekly. Leo, Mary Jo, and Paul talked with Greg Sullivan, Director of Windows Phone at Microsoft. During the show, Greg clearly states that the bits we downloaded as developers are the same bits that they released to OEMs.

    We HAVE GDR 3.
    You have GDR3 PREVIEW! Its not the final release. They may have released the same bits to OEMs but that doesn't mean they want change things from the preview to final release. They released it to OEMs so they can test the update. I repeat this is not the final release! Im not saying you don't have GDR3 cus that's not the case im saying it is the preview and Microsoft could make changes from now until final release.
    10-22-2013 09:36 AM
  17. rdubmu's Avatar
    It is the final version.

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    10-22-2013 09:39 AM
  18. Shinigami910's Avatar
    It is the final version.

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    If that was true they would not have named it developer preview. It will not be the final version until it is released to all none developer phones.
    10-22-2013 09:42 AM
  19. marcomura's Avatar
    It's clear that who doesn't understand that the gdr3 preview it's a preview build and the rtm build has still to be built, is not a developer.
    Let them think this is the final one... we don't want to ruin their favorite toy, do we? :)
    10-22-2013 09:46 AM
  20. hopmedic's Avatar
    Did any of you listen to the podcast I linked to, where you could hear it from the lips of the Windows Phone Director? No. What we have are the final bits. It is a preview because it hasn't been officially released to the public. If you don't believe that, then you're saying that Microsoft's Director of Windows Phone is a liar. Me, I'll take his word over any of yours. I tried to be tactful about it, but you're trying to convince people that you, a bunch of people on a message board, know more than the guy leading the project. No. You don't.
    10-22-2013 09:50 AM
  21. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Gee this argument is getting nowhere quick.

    I went and read the Windows Phone Blog and the Developers Blog. The 'release' is called the Developers Preview but is apparently the full GRD3 but from MS only, no firmware. There are no new APIs.

    Technically it was meant to be released to developers only to test their apps and ensure that everything is working. The normal users are supposed to wait for the official release. Hence the 'preview' name.

    However, going by the amount of glitches and other errors popping up it's probably a good thing it is a preview version. That of course doesn't stop people complaining about it.
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    10-22-2013 09:50 AM
  22. Shinigami910's Avatar
    Did any of you listen to the podcast I linked to, where you could hear it from the lips of the Windows Phone Director? No. What we have are the final bits. It is a preview because it hasn't been officially released to the public. If you don't believe that, then you're saying that Microsoft's Director of Windows Phone is a liar. Me, I'll take his word over any of yours. I tried to be tactful about it, but you're trying to convince people that you, a bunch of people on a message board, know more than the guy leading the project. No. You don't.
    And you seem to think that this is some other company than Microsoft. While im not disputing the fact it is GDR3 you have the fact of the matter is it is not the final build. In that while the preview is out with OEMs and developers they could report bugs in the software which will need to be sorted hence this is not the final build of GDR3 that only happens when Microsoft releases the rtm build. That is a FACT!
    N_LaRUE likes this.
    10-22-2013 09:54 AM
  23. hopmedic's Avatar
    And you seem to think that this is some other company than Microsoft. While im not disputing the fact it is GDR3 you have the fact of the matter is it is not the final build. In that while the preview is out with OEMs and developers they could report bugs in the software which will need to be sorted hence this is not the final build of GDR3 that only happens when Microsoft releases the rtm build. That is an [S]FACT[/S] ASSUMPTION!
    We shall see. FTFY.
    In Limbo likes this.
    10-22-2013 09:56 AM
  24. Shinigami910's Avatar
    We shall see. FTFY.
    When has a preview ever been a final release? Things in the preview may be contained in the final release but by definition a preview is not a final release. I fail to see why that is an opinion
    10-22-2013 10:00 AM
  25. hopmedic's Avatar
    Listen to the podcast.
    10-22-2013 10:01 AM
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