10-26-2014 03:25 PM
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  1. thesachd's Avatar
    dude i have a nexus 5,that thing is a toy compared to any of the carl zeiss and pureview lumias
    sure its underestimated but its pathetic in low light and extremely slow to focus
    his tip is for a lumia 1020 which has ois,works well on my 720
    How good the Nexus 5 camera is, is a totally different thread.

    My point was different. 1/30 is equivalent to a 30 FPS video in lowlight, you'll barely see anything! For phones that have OIS dropping to a shutter speed of 1/15 or 1/5(if you have very steady hands) you can get much better images.

    1/30 is not optimum for a lowlight situation, especially not for phones that have OIS and the capability to go lower.

    Here's an image taken with a N5 at 1/10 shutter speed: http://imgur.com/mxxf3AB

    Understand what I'm trying to say here? I'm only mentioning Nexus 5 here because it's the only phone with OIS I've used and the only one whose images I found on WPCentral(shared by salman something here).
    10-20-2014 05:56 AM
  2. Amaze Natures's Avatar
    IPhone 6 can play super slow motion video at 240 frames per second.
    10-20-2014 06:02 AM
  3. Sean Miller4's Avatar
    How good the Nexus 5 camera is, is a totally different thread.

    My point was different. 1/30 is equivalent to a 30 FPS video in lowlight, you'll barely see anything! For phones that have OIS dropping to a shutter speed of 1/15 or 1/5(if you have very steady hands) you can get much better images.

    1/30 is not optimum for a lowlight situation, especially not for phones that have OIS and the capability to go lower.

    Here's an image taken with a N5 at 1/10 shutter speed: HDR+ at ISO 3200, shutter speed 1/10. - Imgur

    Understand what I'm trying to say here? I'm only mentioning Nexus 5 here because it's the only phone with OIS I've used and the only one whose images I found on WPCentral(shared by salman something here).
    Don't get all confused by technology you don't understand, I will have to check on this OIS on the nexus but nokia had it first, the sensor size of nexus compared to nokia is laughable as I said in other post, under no circumstances on any website has nexus phones ever been considered a good camera, everything beats them even crappy phones, the other guy was saying don't go slower than that because the nokia has 41mp camera so it processes slower because of the all the detail which can cause problems at slow shutter speed. You might not be able to take a shot at 1/30th on your nexus because the sensor is so tiny of course no light gets in, but guess what 1020 doesn't have that problem. So yes It can handle way faster speeds than your nexus and come out looking great. The 1020 lets the most light in of any sensor next to the nokia 808 there are no other phones in the same league stop mentioning nexus in the same sentence as a pureview that even the lowest end pureview beats a nexus its not even close.
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    10-21-2014 02:28 PM
  4. thesachd's Avatar
    Don't get all confused by technology you don't understand, I will have to check on this OIS on the nexus but nokia had it first, the sensor size of nexus compared to nokia is laughable as I said in other post, under no circumstances on any website has nexus phones ever been considered a good camera, everything beats them even crappy phones, the other guy was saying don't go slower than that because the nokia has 41mp camera so it processes slower because of the all the detail which can cause problems at slow shutter speed. You might not be able to take a shot at 1/30th on your nexus because the sensor is so tiny of course no light gets in, but guess what 1020 doesn't have that problem. So yes It can handle way faster speeds than your nexus and come out looking great. The 1020 lets the most light in of any sensor next to the nokia 808 there are no other phones in the same league stop mentioning nexus in the same sentence as a pureview that even the lowest end pureview beats a nexus its not even close.
    Oh God, put the Nexus 5 aside. I was strictly talking about the 1/30 shutter speed.

    If you have a 1020 and you want to take better lowlight images than an iPhone, you can! Simply turn down the shutter speed to 1/10(or lower if you can).

    No matter what the sensor size and aperture of the 1020 it can benefit from a lower shutter speed, and it can handle it because of OIS!

    Here's a comparison between:



    1/30 shutter speed.



    1/10 shutter speed.
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    10-22-2014 05:28 AM
  5. Ani_P's Avatar
    For those mentioning lower shutter speeds, by all means you can on every camera. What's important is knowing moving and changing lights. Don't think many understand that concept. Also staying at 1/30 is accurate for handheld because it is hard to gauge the shutter speed compensation ois provides. 1/30 is a general photography rules. Ppl can of course attempt lower and come out with great pictures. For 1020 I re-emphasize to stick with 1/30, max 800 iso and wb presets. Auto had some crazy calculations. Try to get detail in a semi silhouette shot with auto and you'll see what I mean. Ppl mentioning other phones, please don't. 1020 is a very very different sensor. Use a tripod with the battery grip on and some 4 sec exposures look incredible. 1/10 or even lower works but I would say do it on decent light and go lowest with the Iso. Best way to learn this cam is night photos. Practice scenes that would require average and spot metering on dslrs and see how they calc it in these 1020s. If you can nail this you're a pro pocket photographer
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    10-25-2014 06:46 PM
  6. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    How good the Nexus 5 camera is, is a totally different thread.

    My point was different. 1/30 is equivalent to a 30 FPS video in lowlight, you'll barely see anything! For phones that have OIS dropping to a shutter speed of 1/15 or 1/5(if you have very steady hands) you can get much better images.

    1/30 is not optimum for a lowlight situation, especially not for phones that have OIS and the capability to go lower.

    Here's an image taken with a N5 at 1/10 shutter speed: HDR+ at ISO 3200, shutter speed 1/10. - Imgur

    Understand what I'm trying to say here? I'm only mentioning Nexus 5 here because it's the only phone with OIS I've used and the only one whose images I found on WPCentral(shared by salman something here).
    but Nexus 5 is slow to focus so its not really useful to have a fast shutter
    10-26-2014 02:01 AM
  7. thesachd's Avatar
    For those mentioning lower shutter speeds, by all means you can on every camera. What's important is knowing moving and changing lights. Don't think many understand that concept. Also staying at 1/30 is accurate for handheld because it is hard to gauge the shutter speed compensation ois provides. 1/30 is a general photography rules. Ppl can of course attempt lower and come out with great pictures. For 1020 I re-emphasize to stick with 1/30, max 800 iso and wb presets. Auto had some crazy calculations. Try to get detail in a semi silhouette shot with auto and you'll see what I mean. Ppl mentioning other phones, please don't. 1020 is a very very different sensor. Use a tripod with the battery grip on and some 4 sec exposures look incredible. 1/10 or even lower works but I would say do it on decent light and go lowest with the Iso. Best way to learn this cam is night photos. Practice scenes that would require average and spot metering on dslrs and see how they calc it in these 1020s. If you can nail this you're a pro pocket photographer
    The only reason I mentioned another device was for reference.

    While I agree with you on keeping the ISO to 800 or lower, 1/30(or 30 FPS) is more suitable for capturing motion.

    My point was that when your object is still (usually in lowlight people photograph still subjects) you should definitely dip your shutter speed to below 1/30.

    1/10 is mostly only beneficial in lowlight, not in bright and we should avail this feature.
    but Nexus 5 is slow to focus so its not really useful to have a fast shutter
    No point of arguing with you. Nor do you seem to understand the basics of photography, nor do you stop criticising the Nexus(which I mentioned as a reference for shutter speeds).

    Shutter speed and focus times are two totally different things.
    10-26-2014 07:36 AM
  8. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    ^^keep thinking that way about your opinion, I own a Nexus 5 ,Lumia 720 and 820 as well as an EOS 1200D and 5D
    my degree course involves photography,i pretty much have a better idea of photography
    whats the point of higher shutter speed and slow focus?? would you drive a ferrari with a faulty automatic transmission which doesnt change gears accordingly?
    see the irony
    10-26-2014 09:40 AM
  9. psoham777's Avatar
    How many of these threads exist?

    1020 will remain the king of cameras until its successor.

    There are 3 things a person desires in his phones camera

    1. Better quality images. Now as 1020 has more zooming, more megapixels, so it takes best photos

    2. Better low light photography.

    A xenon flash vs an led flash? Pretty unfair comparison.

    1020 is able to take photos in no light too(in most of the cases)

    3. Blur free photos. 1020 has the best OIS.



    As 1020 performs these 3 things better than any phone, hence it has the best (phone)camera on the planet.

    Sent from whichever device I happen to be using today.
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    10-26-2014 10:09 AM
  10. thesachd's Avatar
    ^^keep thinking that way about your opinion, I own a Nexus 5 ,Lumia 720 and 820 as well as an EOS 1200D and 5D
    my degree course involves photography,i pretty much have a better idea of photography
    whats the point of higher shutter speed and slow focus?? would you drive a ferrari with a faulty automatic transmission which doesnt change gears accordingly?
    see the irony
    Stop talking about the Nexus 5 already. -.-

    Before selling my 1020 I compared it's focus, and it's slower than most alternatives(including iPhone and Nexus) out there, primarily because it uses single shot focusing.

    How many of these threads exist?

    1020 will remain the king of cameras until its successor.

    There are 3 things a person desires in his phones camera

    1. Better quality images. Now as 1020 has more zooming, more megapixels, so it takes best photos

    2. Better low light photography.

    A xenon flash vs an led flash? Pretty unfair comparison.

    1020 is able tn no light too(in most of the cases)

    3. Blur free photos. 1020 has the best OIS.



    As 1020 performs these 3 things better than any phone, hence it has the best (phone)camera on the planet.

    Sent from whichever device I happen to be using today.
    You should say that those are the things "you" desire, not everyone.
    10-26-2014 10:47 AM
  11. psoham777's Avatar
    Stop talking about the Nexus 5 already. -.-

    Before selling my 1020 I compared it's focus, and it's slower than most alternatives(including iPhone and Nexus) out there, primarily because it uses single shot focusing.



    You should say that those are the things "you" desire, not everyone.

    Alright, so start using a phone with a vga camera, worst low light photography, blurred photos, worst quality photos.
    10-26-2014 11:05 AM
  12. thesachd's Avatar
    Alright, so start using a phone with a vga camera, worst low light photography, blurred photos, worst quality photos.
    They are definitely part of what a a person desires, but not the main things.

    I like slow mo and 60 FPS capture, color accuracy and better flash for skin tones and the 1020 doesn't give me that.

    There are others that need faster focus or 4K capture.

    The 1020 isn't the best camera phone, it depends on your preferences.
    10-26-2014 11:10 AM
  13. psoham777's Avatar
    They are definitely part of what a a person desires, but not the main things.

    I like slow mo and 60 FPS capture, color accuracy and better flash for skin tones and the 1020 doesn't give me that.

    There are others that need faster focus or 4K capture.

    The 1020 isn't the best camera phone, it depends on your preferences.

    See, you can talk about everything like focusing, shutter speed, sensitivity etc, but they are the secondary things. All the companies are coming up with higher megapixels phones, why? Because they primarily matter in a phone, then comes everything else. If the rest of the things mattered more than megapixels, then in todays world, vga camera would've been the best. Rest all the things in 1020 is also well optimized & hence its better.
    10-26-2014 11:16 AM
  14. thesachd's Avatar
    See, you can talk about everything like focusing, shutter speed, sensitivity etc, but they are the secondary things. All the companies are coming up with higher megapixels phones, why? Because they primarily matter in a phone, then comes everything else. If the rest of the things mattered more than megapixels, then in todays world, vga camera would've been the best. Rest all the things in 1020 is also well optimized & hence its better.
    Megapixels do indeed matter, to a certain extent that is. 8 MP provides a very decent enough detail to view on 4K TVs or even for printing, this is why no one stayed with VGA cameras.

    Companies often go for higher megapixels, not because they are what primarily matter, but because it serves as a marketing ploy to trick people. More megapixels don't always result in a a better image. Educate yourself about this.

    The 1020 has extremely slow photo processing, and photo processing can also be hit or miss at times(sometimes leading to unnatural colours), the Xenon flash has caused yellow tints, focus is way slower than most other devices, video recording simply doesn't often as many features and burst mode isn't great either.

    Using Microsoft camera alleviates a few of these problems but only takes 5 MP photos, and still focuses slowly.

    I'll admit that speed isn't everything and the 1020 has a wide range of situations where it performs spectacularly however it lacks too much for it to be called the best cameraphone anymore.

    Again, it depends on your preferences. If you truly need what the 1020 offers, go for it but don't force your opinion down everyone's throat.
    10-26-2014 11:23 AM
  15. psoham777's Avatar
    Megapixels do indeed matter, to a certain extent that is. 8 MP provides a very decent enough detail to view on 4K TVs or even for printing, this is why no one stayed with VGA cameras.

    Companies often go for higher megapixels, not because they are what primarily matter, but because it serves as a marketing ploy to trick people. More megapixels don't always result in a a better image. Educate yourself about this.

    The 1020 has extremely slow photo processing, and photo processing can also be hit or miss at times(sometimes leading to unnatural colours), the Xenon flash has caused yellow tints, focus is way slower than most other devices, video recording simply doesn't often as many features and burst mode isn't great either.

    Using Microsoft camera alleviates a few of these problems but only takes 5 MP photos, and still focuses slowly.

    I'll admit that speed isn't everything and the 1020 has a wide range of situations where it performs spectacularly however it lacks too much for it to be called the best cameraphone anymore.

    Again, it depends on your preferences. If you truly need what the 1020 offers, go for it but don't force your opinion down everyone's throat.

    More megapixels >more resolution >more zooming, which ultimately lead to good quality photos. I know megapixels aren't everything, but if a company gives a higher megapixels, but misses out on other features, like sensitivity, aperture etc, then it won't perform well in low light, would result in blurry photos, & hence Lumia 920/925 beats many phones with 13mp camera.
    I also know that 1020 has a bit slower processing of images, but that's only due to the reason that it takes excellent quality photos. & wait we are talking about quality of images, so 1020 is still better. Wait for denim, its speed would increase. & I'm not forcing my opinion on anyone, its just that most of the experts have already said that, 1020 is still has the best camera in a phone on this planet. Only some iFan sites say that iPhone performs well(that to the photos vary a lot, not taken on the same time of the day, vast angle differences). You should educate yourself on xenon flash, why an led flash can never be able to beat it. Remember 8mp vs 41mp.
    5 times more megapixels still do not matter?
    10-26-2014 11:41 AM
  16. psoham777's Avatar
    This is just a small demo of what 1020 is capable of.
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    10-26-2014 11:53 AM
  17. thesachd's Avatar
    More megapixels >more resolution >more zooming, which ultimately lead to good quality photos. I know megapixels aren't everything, but if a company gives a higher megapixels, but misses out on other features, like sensitivity, aperture etc, then it won't perform well in low light, would result in blurry photos, & hence Lumia 920/925 beats many phones with 13mp camera.
    I also know that 1020 has a bit slower processing of images, but that's only due to the reason that it takes excellent quality photos. & wait we are talking about quality of images, so 1020 is still better. Wait for denim, its speed would increase. & I'm not forcing my opinion on anyone, its just that most of the experts have already said that, 1020 is still has the best camera in a phone on this planet. Only some iFan sites say that iPhone performs well(that to the photos vary a lot, not taken on the same time of the day, vast angle differences). You should educate yourself on xenon flash, why an led flash can never be able to beat it. Remember 8mp vs 41mp.
    5 times more megapixels still do not matter?
    The more megapixels = more zooming is a shining example of how ignorant people have become, no offence.

    If the number of megapixels keep increasing and there isn't an appropriate increase in the sensor size along with it, the quality of images(especially in the corners) begin to deteriorate due to the extra pixel count. Also if the sensor can't manage a low ISO and keeps defaulting to higher values it'll also result in a loss of detail.

    In this respect the iPhone may have a smaller megapixel count but the ISO can drop to as low as 32, compensating for some of those "extra megapixels." Whereas the 1020 can't go that low.

    And the 1020 is by no means "a bit slow", it is in fact much noticeably slower than the iPhone, which makes it a pain to use especially when trying to photograph something funny(or worthwhile).

    I'm eagerly awaiting Denim, but until then there is no way you can say that the 1020 is the best camera phone out there, especially when it lacks in one of the most important factors of photography: speed.
    10-26-2014 11:59 AM
  18. gpobernardo's Avatar
    I posted this in a similar thread, thought I'd share it here, now referring to the iPhone 6:

    Guys, chill down a bit. It's not like we created these cameras with our own hands to get all pumped and caught up in the tension.

    The truth is that better and better phones will be released as new hardware and technologies are developed - nothing remains "the best" forever. BUT the fact that many (not just in this thread) are comparing the camera of a newly announced phone with the camera of a phone that is almost a year OLD says something good about the older phone, right? Yet one can argue otherwise how a lower resolution phone compares with a monster.

    If I was asked to choose which camera is better between the L1020 and the iPhone 6, I wouldn't be able to give an answer because I don't have an iPhone 6 and, thus, I can't give the "challenger" a fair trial. But I DO have THE L1020, and I'm loving how I can zoom in at distant subjects and take high-resolution videos. At the same time, I'm a bit uncomfortable not being able to take high frame rate slow-motion videos, and in how my i-family criticizes the white balance in my photos. Yet, despite these, I'm still happy with the L1020, and at the end of the day that's what matters.

    As for low-light conditions, I especially like the challenge of holding the camera as still as I can, and I enjoy the satisfaction of viewing a nicely executed photograph when the photo comes out crisp and bright - the process gives the photograph more meaning.

    Whatever hardware you have, make the most out of it. I remember the days when I tried my best at photography with only a 0.3MP fixed-focus camera! Now at 41MP (actually 34 or 38 depending on aspect ratio), I could finally take shots I only used to dream of... without carrying a bulky DSLR around.

    The comparisons will always come; "writers" will write and "reviewers" will review. Page views will increase and somewhere along the line revenues will be generated. In the end, what matters is how well you use what you have. Would you rather spend time comparing, wondering, bashing, criticizing, arguing, proving and disproving than do your best in taking good photographs?
    10-26-2014 12:03 PM
  19. ja_izzy's Avatar
    Problem is, is that people think 41mp equals better camera. A 7mp+ camera can produce an HQ 8x10 that's every bit as good as the 1020 41mp. The 41mp is good for cropping and that's about it. I do love my L1020, L925 and L920, but the point is, the hardware in the 1020 is dated and needs a reboot. I beg Microsoft to hurry up already!!!
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    10-26-2014 12:26 PM
  20. psoham777's Avatar
    The more megapixels = more zooming is a shining example of how ignorant people have become, no offence.

    If the number of megapixels keep increasing and there isn't an appropriate increase in the sensor size along with it, the quality of images(especially in the corners) begin to deteriorate due to the extra pixel count. Also if the sensor can't manage a low ISO and keeps defaulting to higher values it'll also result in a loss of detail.

    In this respect the iPhone may have a smaller megapixel count but the ISO can drop to as low as 32, compensating for some of those "extra megapixels." Whereas the 1020 can't go that low.

    And the 1020 is by no means "a bit slow", it is in fact much noticeably slower than the iPhone, which makes it a pain to use especially when trying to photograph something funny(or worthwhile).

    I'm eagerly awaiting Denim, but until then there is no way you can say that the 1020 is the best camera phone out there, especially when it lacks in one of the most important factors of photography: speed.

    So even if iPhone 6 has a lower zooming, still it takes good quality images? Now its you who are forcing your opinion. If there's something that basically matters in a phone camera is zooming, that's the main factor in deciding the quality of images. Also the iPhone 6 takes blurred photos, 1020 without any blur, still iPhones camera is better, right? Talking about speed, 1020 has camera key, it can be launched just by pressing it, still some people think, iPhone has a good speed camera, that would only be possible when both the phones are unlocked, not when they're in sleep mode. You're just focusing on ISO, its not everything in a camera, don't miss out on other features of 1020. Nothing can compensate (the actual)megapixel count in a phone. Just watch the video I posted in my previous post, why 1020 is still the king of photography. We can discuss this whole day, but then this discussion is going nowhere
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    10-26-2014 12:28 PM
  21. thesachd's Avatar
    So even if iPhone 6 has a lower zooming, still it takes good quality images? Now its you who are forcing your opinion. If there's something that basically matters in a phone camera is zooming, that's the main factor in deciding the quality of images. Also the iPhone 6 takes blurred photos, 1020 without any blur, still iPhones camera is better, right? Talking about speed, 1020 has camera key, it can be launched just by pressing it, still some people think, iPhone has a good speed camera, that would only be possible when both the phones are unlocked, not when they're in sleep mode. You're just focusing on ISO, its not everything in a camera, don't miss out on other features of 1020. Nothing can compensate (the actual)megapixel count in a phone. Just watch the video I posted in my previous post, why 1020 is still the king of photography. We can discuss this whole day, but then this discussion is going nowhere
    If zooming was all that mattered in a camera, no one would buy the HTC One M8. Zooming isn't the primary need for everyone in a phone, and just because a phone can zoom less doesn't mean that it has lower quality photos.

    Also you said the iPhone 6 takes blurred images and 1020 doesn't, what the hell? I haven't seen anyone complain that all images they've taken with their iPhone is blurred.

    Even if you include the camera key, pull out the 1020 from your pocket and press the camera button. And take out an iPhone, wake it up from sleep and swipe the camera open, the iPhone still would open the camera faster and focus faster.

    I'm not only focusing on ISO, but also on speed, focus, color accuracy and ease of use and video features.
    10-26-2014 12:41 PM
  22. salmanahmad's Avatar
    If zooming was all that mattered in a camera, no one would buy the HTC One M8. Zooming isn't the primary need for everyone in a phone, and just because a phone can zoom less doesn't mean that it has lower quality photos.

    Also you said the iPhone 6 takes blurred images and 1020 doesn't, what the hell? I haven't seen anyone complain that all images they've taken with their iPhone is blurred.

    Even if you include the camera key, pull out the 1020 from your pocket and press the camera button. And take out an iPhone, wake it up from sleep and swipe the camera open, the iPhone still would open the camera faster and focus faster.

    I'm not only focusing on ISO, but also on speed, focus, color accuracy and ease of use and video features.
    I would just like to say that your point about speed is extremely valid, it plays a key role in getting great images.

    I recently visited the Wagha Border(and a few other places) on a trip with the school, and I photographed it using my mobile.

    The fact that my mobile could open the camera extremely fast and takes imaged and videos really fast was a huge help.

    I know a hell lot about manual controls, but I would prefer an iPhone 6(or 6 Plus) over the 1020, simply because of how slow it is.

    Here are a few images I took with my fast 8MP camera that I wouldn't have been able to take with the slow 41 MP(I'm quite sure about it).

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    10-26-2014 12:47 PM
  23. Jaripi's Avatar
    Even Lumia 920 can do this, can you ? - if you do not catch it, it is a night photo :P

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    10-26-2014 12:52 PM
  24. Microsoftjunkie's Avatar
    Nothing about those pics you've posted would make a 1020 inferior.
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    10-26-2014 12:57 PM
  25. Microsoftjunkie's Avatar
    If zooming was all that mattered in a camera, no one would buy the HTC One M8. Zooming isn't the primary need for everyone in a phone, and just because a phone can zoom less doesn't mean that it has lower quality photos.

    Also you said the iPhone 6 takes blurred images and 1020 doesn't, what the hell? I haven't seen anyone complain that all images they've taken with their iPhone is blurred.

    Even if you include the camera key, pull out the 1020 from your pocket and press the camera button. And take out an iPhone, wake it up from sleep and swipe the camera open, the iPhone still would open the camera faster and focus faster.

    I'm not only focusing on ISO, but also on speed, focus, color accuracy and ease of use and video features.

    Because it has less pixels means exactly that it will have a picture of lesser quality when zoomed afterward or taken while zoomed.

    1020 has "lossless" digital zoom, due to extra megapixels. Ip6 and 6+ doesn't have "lossless" zoom. Big difference there. Also, since the 1020 has a dedicated button, I'm sure that almost 100% of the people already engages the camera as soon as there hands touches the phone, well before pulling that phone out of there pockets. So both 1020 and ip6 is probably on par when it comes to being "ready".
    10-26-2014 01:10 PM
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