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  1. z33dev33l's Avatar
    lol it was hard to read this without laughing. Skype blows, no Voxer buisness, nothing close to the functionality of Tasker, IFTTT even stopped supporting WP, Spotify is significantly worse on WP (read the reviews even). The lack of apps on WP is endless and so are the crappy half-assed apps from devs. If Microsoft doesn't give enough of a crap about WP to make a decent Skype app why the hell should devs care? I don't blame them.
    I'd definitely say the Skype app is better on Windows Phone than Android though not better than that of iOS. That wasn't my point though, you're comparing Android and iOS as though they both have high QUALITY apps which simply isn't the case. Android apps are usually poor half-baked iOS ports because they can get away with it since Android has no universal design language that might drive them to differentiate to some degree. Let's look at a few popular apps. Facebook, you get an iOS port. It's impractical. There's nothing intuitive about the interface. How about Instagram? The official app on both is okay... Try 6snap though, you won't be able to go back. It just seems bad in comparison.Same can be said of Instagram. Don't really use that one but in doing reviews, the Android app is just ugly. That's Android as a whole though. There's no quality. There's a million launchers and none look as good as Windows Phone or even iOS. There's likely 100 different keyboards and none is on par with that of Windows Phone 8.1. All the apps? On Android it looks like a plethora of poorly tossed together design elements that vary from one to the next. The lack of a universal design language could be called...er... umm... Modern art?

    Oh and btw the NSA already has all your data backed up for you so no need to worry about Google. All thanks to the backdoors Microsoft put in for them.

    Microsoft handed the NSA access to encrypted messages | World news | The Guardian
    Yeah, Microsoft released a press release on this one. They said that all the companies were doing it, they just wanted to offer some resistance in making them pay for it. Android with it's open sourced approach can't do that. No one else has the market share to make that kind of pull.



    I agree and I have said OVER AND OVER again that if you like WP for asthetic reasons or you have all the functionality you need with WP than more power to you. It is just a FACT that it is far more limited than Android however, and I have provided extensive reasoning behind it. No one has yet to counter with a fact on WHY my reasoning is wrong.
    There is no facts as to why your reasoning is wrong. You're a quantity over quality person and that's fine. I'd rather hook up with a solid 10/10 girl than 200 2-3/10



    lol nice try Steve Ballmer. I can see the much lower rating on the WP version of Skype compared to the Android version of Skype. I have both platforms right in front of my face. We can also compare how many threads there are that complain about Skype on both platforms if you want. Oh and I already mentioned above just SOME of the apps that blow on WP compared to Android. Let alone the big apps WP doesn't even have.
    You'd find more complaints on Android, I'm sure. It's bee noted that Windows Phone users are more knowledgeable than Android users of their phones. That's why when they released the 8.1 beta that you have to jump through a few hoops to get, well over 10 percent of the installed base went and got that developer preview. It's understandable that we'd have more concern for quality. Also, Skype for Windows Phone did suck til about four months ago. That's a few years worth of residual 1 stars.

    WP app selection is such a joke that right now the top paid apps are mytube, hot tiles!, metrotube, flashlight +, and moliplayer pro.

    2 of those are youtube rip-offs and a flashlight app that is standard on all Android phones in the last 2 years.
    Let's look at Android's now. Okay, you have some games there. That's cool. Oh, a launcher? That's cool... I can pay that much to make my phone pretty much not look any different and definitely not higher quality. Okay, FoxFi... Wifi tethering... That has come standard on Windows Phones for almost three years now. A music player? Sheesh, I know stock Android music players are nigh unusable but people are actually paying for a replacement? I guess I'm just fortunate to have a good music player built into my OS. Finally, a guitar tabs app... I'm honestly shocked that this is a paid app.

    I mean ultimately, the paid apps on Android are going to be a bit better in terms of games because not as high a percentage of users buy apps on Android. It's funny how Apple has less than 1/3 the install base and over double the app revenue by a long shot. Android users don't like to pay for apps. Google is somehow walking that line of an anti-trust suit so we don't get Google services. I'm not a fan so it's no concern to me. Some people though, want a good Youtube app. You can install it ad-free for free but we support our developers rather than side-loading or settling and as a result, we have arguably the best youtube experience.




    The fact that you have the OPTION to root your phone DOES in fact make it superior however. Unless we are living in a crazy world:

    having a choice > no choice

    That is pretty much objective.

    Not sure I have ever heard someone say, "WOW I SURE AM GLAD I HAVE NO CHOICE IN THIS MATTER!".
    The point is that at present in the mobile world, you can either have choice or quality. You prefer choice. We don't. I use Android regularly as well as iOS, Jolla, BBOS, MeeGo and on occasion I bust out FF OS. At the end of the day, I want aesthetics, I want reliability and I want overall quality. I don't find those on Android.
    07-04-2014 10:43 AM
  2. z33dev33l's Avatar
    As far as security goes - I haven't heard of any real malware issues. There are many Android malware programs, of course, but every one of them requires a rooted phone and/or a sideload bypassing Google's malware scanner. Since the average consumer does not know nor care about either of these things, I conclude that it's not a real issue. Let me know when someone's bank account passwords get compromised or valuable date gets stolen - then you'll have a case.
    As far as Malware goes, there were over 40,000 malware apps in the play store last year. 28,000 of them did not require root. Suppose it's fortunate that most only sign you up for tons of premium text services or send all the data on your phone to a third party server. No big deal.

    Oh, in terms of hardware, Microsoft originally went that route. They knew that WP7 ran smoother than Android or even iOS on a 1 GHz processor single core but then Samsung went and turned cores into a selling point despite incessant lag. Windows Phone does that to appease the masses.
    07-04-2014 10:50 AM
  3. Slayix312's Avatar
    I'd definitely say the Skype app is better on Windows Phone than Android though not better than that of iOS. That wasn't my point though, you're comparing Android and iOS as though they both have high QUALITY apps which simply isn't the case. Android apps are usually poor half-baked iOS ports because they can get away with it since Android has no universal design language that might drive them to differentiate to some degree. Let's look at a few popular apps. Facebook, you get an iOS port. It's impractical. There's nothing intuitive about the interface. How about Instagram? The official app on both is okay... Try 6snap though, you won't be able to go back. It just seems bad in comparison.Same can be said of Instagram. Don't really use that one but in doing reviews, the Android app is just ugly. That's Android as a whole though. There's no quality. There's a million launchers and none look as good as Windows Phone or even iOS. There's likely 100 different keyboards and none is on par with that of Windows Phone 8.1. All the apps? On Android it looks like a plethora of poorly tossed together design elements that vary from one to the next. The lack of a universal design language could be called...er... umm... Modern art?
    Well then you would be the only one I that thinks Skype is better on WP than on Android I guess. A quick comparison of reviews tells another story. We can also compare complaint threads from WPcentral regarding Skype to those from Android-central regarding Skype. You say Android apps are half-baked iOS ports. Even if that WAS true.I would rather have that (and support from the actual devs) than crappy 3rd party rip-offs with half of the functionality missing haha. Swiftkey absolutely KILLS the keyboard on WP without question really and stock android demolishes the fugly flipping tiles of WP as well. WP looks like the result of a 10 year old in charge of its UI with its super imaginative square tiles.....revolutionary!

    Yeah, Microsoft released a press release on this one. They said that all the companies were doing it, they just wanted to offer some resistance in making them pay for it. Android with it's open sourced approach can't do that. No one else has the market share to make that kind of pull.

    lol Microsoft got caught red-handed and tried to use the "well everyone else does it!" as some type of excuse. Not to mention the rumors of backdoors put in by Microsoft for Windows 8 in general. loool. I would MUCH rather trust Google than Microsoft.

    There is no facts as to why your reasoning is wrong. You're a quantity over quality person and that's fine. I'd rather hook up with a solid 10/10 girl than 200 2-3/10
    Except you are with a solid 5/10 girl that is half disabled and can only do half of what my 10/10 bomb-shell can do. That is the actual difference.

    Let's look at Android's now. Okay, you have some games there. That's cool. Oh, a launcher? That's cool... I can pay that much to make my phone pretty much not look any different and definitely not higher quality. Okay, FoxFi... Wifi tethering... That has come standard on Windows Phones for almost three years now. A music player? Sheesh, I know stock Android music players are nigh unusable but people are actually paying for a replacement? I guess I'm just fortunate to have a good music player built into my OS. Finally, a guitar tabs app... I'm honestly shocked that this is a paid app.
    1. Yes a launcher which you can use to change your UI. Try that on WP...oh wait what you see if what you get. No changing that.

    2. FoxFi offers FREE tethering. Android has had a built in tethering app for years as well but that requires you to PAY the carrier. Your tethering app on Windows phone is loltastic in this regards.

    3. WP music player is embarassing. It offers a very light equalizer. The paid music player on Android offers MUCH more advanced functionality. Android has a basic music player that is better than WP stock as well rofl.

    I mean ultimately, the paid apps on Android are going to be a bit better in terms of games because not as high a percentage of users buy apps on Android. It's funny how Apple has less than 1/3 the install base and over double the app revenue by a long shot. Android users don't like to pay for apps. Google is somehow walking that line of an anti-trust suit so we don't get Google services. I'm not a fan so it's no concern to me. Some people though, want a good Youtube app. You can install it ad-free for free but we support our developers rather than side-loading or settling and as a result, we have arguably the best youtube experience.
    WP meanwhile are light-years behind in buying apps or app availability compared to both iOS or Android lol.

    The point is that at present in the mobile world, you can either have choice or quality. You prefer choice. We don't. I use Android regularly as well as iOS, Jolla, BBOS, MeeGo and on occasion I bust out FF OS. At the end of the day, I want aesthetics, I want reliability and I want overall quality. I don't find those on Android.
    You can have both with Android. On WP you can have a cripple half-mentally retarded offspring-like OS haha.
    07-04-2014 10:57 AM
  4. fatclue_98's Avatar
    To the die-hard WP fans here: the OP is entitled to his opinion.

    It is very important to have an opposing point of view to keep MS on its toes. I think this subject has been more than covered on these boards.

    To the OP: when we want your opinion, we'll give it to you.
    07-04-2014 10:58 AM
  5. Slayix312's Avatar
    To the die-hard WP fans here: the OP is entitled to his opinion.

    It is very important to have an opposing point of view to keep MS on its toes. I think this subject has been more than covered on these boards.

    To the OP: when we want your opinion, we'll give it to you.
    When you want my opinion you'll give me my own opinion? What?
    07-04-2014 11:16 AM
  6. nicfromwales's Avatar
    You can have both with Android. On WP you can have a cripple half-mentally retarded offspring-like OS haha.
    Whoa. You began this thread at least under the pretence that you had a considered and sensible comparison to make. But now you're using analogies that make fun of mentally disabled children in order to win an argument? Disgusting.
    07-04-2014 11:29 AM
  7. Slayix312's Avatar
    Whoa. You began this thread at least under the pretence that you had a considered and sensible comparison to make. But now you're using analogies that make fun of mentally disabled children in order to win an argument? Disgusting.
    Whose making fun of mentally retarded people? Comparing something to them isn't making fun of them. I didn't say "lol mentally retarded people, hilarious!". The actual statement was in regards to the incapacity of WP being similar. Reading comprehension, "get you some".
    07-04-2014 11:35 AM
  8. nicfromwales's Avatar
    Whose making fun of mentally retarded people? Comparing something to them isn't making fun of them. I didn't say "lol mentally retarded people, hilarious!". The actual statement was in regards to the incapacity of WP being similar. Reading comprehension, "get you some".
    After comparing Windows Phone to mentally disabled children you ended your comment with "haha". It's quite clear that you were making fun. I find this completely abhorrent. You should be ashamed of yourself. Comprehend that.
    07-04-2014 11:45 AM
  9. Pacus1x's Avatar
    Well that's unfortunate, some people find offensive using that term even to compare something you don't like. It's a poor choice of words. No need to be arrogant, there is nothing wrong to apologize.

    I think at the beginning of the thread was fine, with some valid points from the OP, but as the thread was advancing... the purpose of this thread degenerated in the form of tauting and bashing the others users opinions, i don't think will end well.
    07-04-2014 11:45 AM
  10. Slayix312's Avatar
    After comparing Windows Phone to mentally disabled children you ended your comment with "haha". It's quite clear that you were making fun. I find this completely abhorrent. You should be ashamed of yourself. Comprehend that.
    Yeah I was laughing at how incapable WP was. It is a fact that mentally retarded people are incapacitated. That is a FACT. So I'm not sure how making a comparison is making fun of them.
    07-04-2014 11:51 AM
  11. bijak_riyandi's Avatar
    I think this thread has run it's course
    personal opinions being touted as fact is a typical fanboy post
    07-04-2014 11:57 AM
  12. Slayix312's Avatar
    I think this thread has run it's course
    personal opinions being touted as fact is a typical fanboy post
    Thank Zee for that lol. I actually was being as neutral as I could until he started passing off opinion as fact. Then I just started to combat fire with fire. It was more to troll Zee really. Lol
    07-04-2014 12:01 PM
  13. altafmahmood's Avatar
    I think if you are so fond of open source OS you should have Ubuntu on your phone. Its completely open no root required. It is highly customizable. And what more you can dock it to a screen and its a desktop running Ubuntu. It is light on hardware fluid and again customizable.

    Also Microsoft has a lot of patents 310 to be precise used in android mobiles.

    Microsoft's secret list of Android patents revealed by Chinese government | Windows Phone Central

    So even if WP is not on many mobiles it is not dying too soon. Let the Android grow or WP grow either ways Microsoft gets its revenue, and it will use it to improve WP.

    Even if WP had jail-breaking you wouldn't had done it on your work-phone and would have been unhappy.
    Funny even if Android is so good you have a WP as your work-phone.

    edit: Here is the list of patents http://images.mofcom.gov.cn/pep/2014...143159274.docx
    07-04-2014 12:19 PM
  14. z33dev33l's Avatar
    Well then you would be the only one I that thinks Skype is better on WP than on Android I guess. A quick comparison of reviews tells another story. We can also compare complaint threads from WPcentral regarding Skype to those from Android-central regarding Skype. You say Android apps are half-baked iOS ports. Even if that WAS true.I would rather have that (and support from the actual devs) than crappy 3rd party rip-offs with half of the functionality missing haha. Swiftkey absolutely KILLS the keyboard on WP without question really and stock android demolishes the fugly flipping tiles of WP as well. WP looks like the result of a 10 year old in charge of its UI with its super imaginative square tiles.....revolutionary!
    I fail to see what features I'm missing. Though I think that this post has proven that you're strictly here to troll. For the record though, Windows Phone's keyboard beat out Swiftkey in typing by a full three seconds. Only one keyboard has beaten that and it's flesky which has been proven was a one of and has since been beaten again by, you guessed it, Windows Phone. Swiftkey is downright slow and the prediction is awful. However, you've turned this into nothing but opinions. I ask you though, look at the WPCentral app for Windows Phone and the AndroidCentral app. It's pretty embarrassing.




    lol Microsoft got caught red-handed and tried to use the "well everyone else does it!" as some type of excuse. Not to mention the rumors of backdoors put in by Microsoft for Windows 8 in general. loool. I would MUCH rather trust Google than Microsoft.
    Oh no, you have rumors and your own clearly biased speculation? What ever will we do?


    Except you are with a solid 5/10 girl that is half disabled and can only do half of what my 10/10 bomb-shell can do. That is the actual difference.
    10/10 bombshell? If Android had a 10/10 look then they wouldn't have to drastically change the UI every year. Gotta love how much UI elements Android and iOS have been taking from Windows Phone these last two years. 4 years ago, Steve Jobs made a mockery of how flat our UI was. Three years ago, Android's key designer did the same even referring to it as Subway toilet signage. I guess your adorable early 2000s glossy bubbles couldn't last forever. Some people like aesthetics. You guys might eventually catch up in that regard though, who knows?



    1. Yes a launcher which you can use to change your UI. Try that on WP...oh wait what you see if what you get. No changing that.
    Nice and all but aside from a few gimmicks, most of which make a half-assed attempt at copying iOS and Windows Phone, they all look exactly the same.

    2. FoxFi offers FREE tethering. Android has had a built in tethering app for years as well but that requires you to PAY the carrier. Your tethering app on Windows phone is loltastic in this regards.
    I have free tethering on my phone built into the US. If your carrier doesn't allow that then I suggest if it's a feature you want you talk to your carrier or be a little more intelligent in where you shop.

    3. WP music player is embarassing. It offers a very light equalizer. The paid music player on Android offers MUCH more advanced functionality. Android has a basic music player that is better than WP stock as well rofl.
    It's funny. I never really thought opinions could be outright wrong until I read this.



    WP meanwhile are light-years behind in buying apps or app availability compared to both iOS or Android lol.
    In terms of percentage of users, Windows Phone blows Android away. Android users are the least likely to buy an app and for an independent developer you're actually more likely to make a good living by building a Windows Phone app than an Android app. I build for both but I'm a small developer. Windows Phone showcases my apps if only briefly and there's a lot more room for things that have yet to be done. How many of those android apps on the play store do you think even exceed 1000 downloads? Last year, they ran a study and 23,000 apps didn't even have one playstore download.

    You can have both with Android. On WP you can have a cripple half-mentally retarded offspring-like OS haha.
    No, no you can't. You still won't find a quality Android handset. Motorola and Lenovo are making great strides towards doing so though. I have high hopes for them in the future but at present, it's a very budget OS. Fix your phone because you have to, it's okay. I'll worry about fixing mine when something goes wrong. In four years of using Windows Phone, that's never happened.
    07-04-2014 12:20 PM
  15. fatclue_98's Avatar
    As the father of an autistic child I don't get worked up when people use terms like "retarded" and such. Until you have a mentally challenged person in your life, you simply don't know any better. I didn't and I used those phrases. In fact I still do because "retarded" is an accurate description. When setting the ignition timing on a 4-stroke engine, you either retard or advance the timing.

    Let's not let the PC police dictate our lives based on what they consider offensive. That being said, you make fun of my princess in my presence and I promise you pain.
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    07-04-2014 12:26 PM
  16. bijak_riyandi's Avatar
    As the father of an autistic child I don't get worked up when people use terms like "retarded" and such.
    ...
    That being said, you make fun of my princess in my presence and I promise you pain.
    **** just got real
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    07-04-2014 12:32 PM
  17. BobLobIaw's Avatar
    I get that people are entitled to their own opinions, but at this stage of mobile device development I thought we are well beyond "my OS is totally awesome and yours is absolute crap" threads. Correct me if I'm wrong, but when Mobile Nations decided to merge all these sites, one of their basic premises was that all platforms had their own advantages and that we should appreciate the unique qualities of each option. This type of thread seems absolutely useless to anyone other than creating pointless vituperation.
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    07-04-2014 12:32 PM
  18. z33dev33l's Avatar
    As the father of an autistic child I don't get worked up when people use terms like "retarded" and such. Until you have a mentally challenged person in your life, you simply don't know any better. I didn't and I used those phrases. In fact I still do because "retarded" is an accurate description. When setting the ignition timing on a 4-stroke engine, you either retard or advance the timing.

    Let's not let the PC police dictate our lives based on what they consider offensive. That being said, you make fun of my princess in my presence and I promise you pain.
    I actually cared for a mentally handicapped kid growing up so to some degree I can relate. Were Windows Phone to be compared to such a thing, it'd be a savant of sorts. Perhaps it is behind in a few areas that most might find unimportant but able to produce a beauty that everyone should truly be able to appreciate. I do apologize for the disrespect enacted by the person who opts to troll these forums and make such disgusting comments. I've no affiliation with him but I apologize that a person could sink so low.
    07-04-2014 12:36 PM
  19. z33dev33l's Avatar
    I get that people are entitled to their own opinions, but at this stage of mobile device development I thought we are well beyond "my OS is totally awesome and yours is absolute crap" threads. Correct me if I'm wrong, but when Mobile Nations decided to merge all these sites, one of their basic premises was that all platforms had their own advantages and that we should appreciate the unique qualities of each option. This type of thread seems absolutely useless to anyone other than creating pointless vituperation.
    First of all, love your name. Second favorite show of all time. Second, I agree. Each OS has it's strengths and weaknesses. However, I've come to find that iOS users are often not the fanboys in this day and age and that they've passed the mantle onto Android users. They refuse to find a flaw even when Google themselves do and will fight to the death over things that the other OSes do have in their favor. I use all OSes and am generally OS agnostic but this guy just seems bent on making baseless and quite frankly, rude statements.
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    07-04-2014 12:38 PM
  20. Joaquim Reis's Avatar

    lol my thread (which is in PHONE WARS) is making you so mad you want it closed? Sorry if the truth hurts.
    Nope, not at all, its just that this is not a thread with ANY point at all. You are just a fanboy to whom android is the best thing on earth, and you do anything to bash wp, even make up excuses. So this is not an opinion thread, just garbage. And at least in my country, garbage goes to dump.
    I have a custom de-bloated rom that is OC'd and have GPU acceleration enabled. I have Voxer, Skype, Reddit is Fun, Spotify, Hangouts, etc...etc.. all cached when closed and still running at seemingly 100% speed while the Lumia Icon struggles to have more than 5 similar intensive apps open without force-closing one of them. Hey maybe you should try doing what I said in the first sentence and speed up your WP.......oh wait.
    You talk to much and say nothing. So you have your cpu degrading, getting the phone even hotter (i bet you will say that it does not get hot, but i already have stored some links of people stating it does, just in case) just because your android cant keep up on stock? Looks great to me xD
    Then you say your lumia icon struggles to keep 5 intensive (as if any of the ones you stated were intensive) apps on background?
    First, you are forgetting the ones that run on the background, like weather and things like that. Not that they are intensive, but they are there.
    Second, if thats the case then you should just RMA your lumia icon, as its defective. My lumia 1520 wont struggle even if i keep WAY more apps running, and way more intensive that those you stated.
    Third, when you say something like that, you have to prove it. Other than that you are just a fanboy trash talking. How do you do that? Put both phones side to side and make a video, where we can see the apps running (and in wp case going to power saver so we can see all the allowed apps on background too) and the "struggle" that WP has... But i bet you wont do this and will keep trash talking.
    see:

    Source: Android malware: Google Play accounted for just 0.1% | BGR

    That means that the OVERWHELMING majority of malware came from side-loaded apps (which just started being scanned by google play as well btw). Thus it is no surprise that people are creating more malware for Android than WP.

    IDC: Smartphone OS Market Share 2014, 2013, 2012, and 2011

    Windows phone market-share HAS DROPPED since 2013 globally. Why the hell would you even make a malware program for something that 2.7% of the planet uses compared to 81%? It has little to do with WP being more secure and more to do with no one using it lol.
    I dont really care the reason, the FACT is that you cant find malware on WP or iphone.

    97% Of Mobile Malware Is On Android

    And now, you can even get malware by SMS... How lame that i cant even text safely.

    Worm-like Android malware spreads using text messages

    Or the more sane reasoning; which is that Nokia couldn't get a hold of any 801 snapdragons by the time of manufacturing, but yeah...you know. Whatever you want to believe to help you sleep at night. Oh and if you want to compare and contrast complaint threads I would be MUCH more than happy to compare HTC One M8 complaint threads to Nokia Lumia Icon complaint threads. Be my guest and start. Or maybe we can compare user reviews? The HTC One M8 has a higher user rating than the Lumia Icon on nearly every website you can find.
    Oh now we are just comparing M8 and not the whole system? :)
    I SAID we could compare the people with FLAGSHIPS complaining about lags... Every actual flagship on both SO are in this comparison (and this is implied on what i stated, you are just trying to manipulate it). If so, you just need to say and i will flood this thread with android complaints :)

    No but legit google apps would be nice and not third party rip-offs. IFTTT would be nice. Competent apps from Microsoft would be nice. It is laughable that they improve their apps on competing platforms rather than their own. I don't need 500 battery apps or 1000 flashlight apps either btw. Both come built-in. = - )
    I laugh when you say that WP are rip offs, when android are too cheap rip offs of those you can find on IOS. And like i said, even though we dont have a lot of apps, some of them are pretty solid :)
    BTW, you may not need 500 battery apps or 1000 flashlight apps, but the fact is that he number of android apps is based on the exageration of futile apps.
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    07-04-2014 12:46 PM
  21. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I actually cared for a mentally handicapped kid growing up so to some degree I can relate. Were Windows Phone to be compared to such a thing, it'd be a savant of sorts. Perhaps it is behind in a few areas that most might find unimportant but able to produce a beauty that everyone should truly be able to appreciate. I do apologize for the disrespect enacted by the person who opts to troll these forums and make such disgusting comments. I've no affiliation with him but I apologize that a person could sink so low.
    No apologies necessary, but appreciated nonetheless. Karma has a way of dealing with those who choose to not follow The Golden Rule and she's one vindictive b***h.
    07-04-2014 12:51 PM
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    07-04-2014 01:10 PM
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