10-04-2014 07:09 PM
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  1. Zachary Boddy's Avatar
    With Apple it's all about being proprietary. They have to do their own thing. So of course they'd release recycled designs with the arrogance of a company who knows they could put an Apple logo on the back of a Moto and sell it for $500.
    Of course they'd come out with NFC and make it their own, they can't share, that'd be wrong!
    Apple Watch is going to sell like crazy, even though it's released far after any of the competition. I wonder why?
    Apple. No one can deny they make good products, but this arrogant way of thinking and extremely strict iOS ruins it for me. If I bought Apple EVERY device would have to be Apple.
    09-10-2014 09:42 AM
  2. psoham777's Avatar
    Yeah, everybody loves apple & its products. Even I love iOS, apple devices, but the fact still remains that iOS is a very stubborn OS. According to me iPhone 6/6+ is a total disappointment. It still has that 1gb ram & 8mp camera. I know camera is good, but they could've at least given 12mp to both with 2 Gb ram. The price of iPhone 6/6+ will also be sky rocketing, which would push the prices of the smartphones even further. Also apple watch is priced at $349 which is too costly. You don't have 32gb versions of iPhone 6/6+... Its really a big embarrassment
    09-10-2014 10:17 AM
  3. Andrea988's Avatar
    Except Apple ARE doing their own thing with Apple Pay, this means that retailers have to add a new payment system to existing NFC based ones just for Apple. We all know what Apple are like with patents as well, which means that IF Apple Pay becomes the dominant NFC payment method then no one else can use it.
    Which means Apple Pay won't become the dominant method because we're not all going to pay double the money for an inferior phone just so we can use NFC. Apart from that it's useless at the moment outside the US anyway.

    One of my cards has contactless payment and I've never used it. I heard that McDonalds were considering scrapping it in the UK for the same reason. My husband was speaking to an area manager for McDonalds recently and he reckons that upgrading the terminals to accept NFC was the biggest waste of money they ever spent.
    09-10-2014 12:12 PM
  4. StephanW's Avatar
    Or we can all go back to paper money if we like ...
    09-10-2014 12:18 PM
  5. Andrea988's Avatar
    Yeah, everybody loves apple & its products. Even I love iOS, apple devices, but the fact still remains that iOS is a very stubborn OS. According to me iPhone 6/6+ is a total disappointment. It still has that 1gb ram & 8mp camera. I know camera is good, but they could've at least given 12mp to both with 2 Gb ram. The price of iPhone 6/6+ will also be sky rocketing, which would push the prices of the smartphones even further. Also apple watch is priced at $349 which is too costly. You don't have 32gb versions of iPhone 6/6+... Its really a big embarrassment
    Agreed. I'm not sure how long they can continue to get away with this. The only reason Apple market share has increased in recent years is because of it's introduction to new markets. Every new release in recent years gets dubbed the same - Evolution rather than revolution. There is no getting away from the fact that Apple have slipped behind the likes of Sony, Samsung and even Nokia in recent years and this was their chance to catch up. They blew it big time.

    • No increase in an already inferior screen resolution
    • Size still below the seemingly favoured 5 inches of a flagship device screen
    • No icrease in camera resolution (just a larger aperture to combat the woeful low light performance of the 5s)
    • Only just added NFC
    • Questionable design - the panels on the back to accommodate the aerials look awful, as does the protruding camera


    On that last point, The horizontal lines on the back of the HTC One M8 blend in wonderfully well and the curved back looks a lot better to hold. Nokia do a superb disguise job with the aerial issue on the 925 and 930, although possibly helped by the plastic rear panel. The iPhone 6 looks like two panels stuck on top and bottom as an afterthought.

    The one thing I like about the iPhone 6 is it makes my L930 look even classier.
    09-10-2014 12:21 PM
  6. Andrea988's Avatar
    Or we can all go back to paper money if we like ...
    Now there's an idea :)

    Seriously though, is it any more difficult to pull out a slim plastic card, put it in a slot and punch a couple of buttons? It's not as if these virtual wallets or whatever they are called offer anything radically different.
    09-10-2014 12:23 PM
  7. jmshub's Avatar
    Yeah, everybody loves apple & its products. Even I love iOS, apple devices, but the fact still remains that iOS is a very stubborn OS. According to me iPhone 6/6+ is a total disappointment. It still has that 1gb ram & 8mp camera. I know camera is good, but they could've at least given 12mp to both with 2 Gb ram. The price of iPhone 6/6+ will also be sky rocketing, which would push the prices of the smartphones even further. Also apple watch is priced at $349 which is too costly. You don't have 32gb versions of iPhone 6/6+... Its really a big embarrassment
    Raw specs don't tell the story of a phone, especially the iphone. Like it or not, the phone will feel fast and fluid regardless of the the actual processor/RAM combo. The fact that they finally broke free of the small form factor will help this phone sell like crazy.

    That said, I think the watch will be a flop. For an apple release, they left a lot of questions unanswered. The price is too high for the value of it. Not to mention that smartwatches in general are a solution in search of a problem. While it's possible I'll eat my words, I don't see the watch being a big hit for Apple.
    09-10-2014 12:24 PM
  8. jleebiker's Avatar
    I totally see a new Cortana-Siri ad coming up. Maybe something in the lines of "Look who just showed up to the party. Oh and look, she's wearing the same outfit I am."
    Or it starts out as Siri talking about how new and styling she is then the 925 slides in from the right side "***** please..."

    Bottom line, the iSheep crowd will buy the heck out of it no matter how non-innovative it is.
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    09-10-2014 12:57 PM
  9. Ashalinia's Avatar
    I think we should all give Apple credit for listening to user demands a little, at least.

    Even though it took them a long time, they finally came out with larger screen sizes, a 1080p device, one with a possible 128 GB of storage.

    I don't own an iPhone but I really do think it's a step in the right direction. But those prices... ugh.
    09-10-2014 02:07 PM
  10. StephanW's Avatar
    Agreed. I'm not sure how long they can continue to get away with this. The only reason Apple market share has increased in recent years is because of it's introduction to new markets. Every new release in recent years gets dubbed the same - Evolution rather than revolution. There is no getting away from the fact that Apple have slipped behind the likes of Sony, Samsung and even Nokia in recent years and this was their chance to catch up. They blew it big time.

    • No increase in an already inferior screen resolution
    • Size still below the seemingly favoured 5 inches of a flagship device screen
    • No icrease in camera resolution (just a larger aperture to combat the woeful low light performance of the 5s)
    • Only just added NFC
    • Questionable design - the panels on the back to accommodate the aerials look awful, as does the protruding camera


    On that last point, The horizontal lines on the back of the HTC One M8 blend in wonderfully well and the curved back looks a lot better to hold. Nokia do a superb disguise job with the aerial issue on the 925 and 930, although possibly helped by the plastic rear panel. The iPhone 6 looks like two panels stuck on top and bottom as an afterthought.

    The one thing I like about the iPhone 6 is it makes my L930 look even classier.
    You clearly dislike the iPhone. But we're on a Windows Phone site so what to expect?

    I would like to discuss. Because you ask how long Apple can get away with this, but they've done this since the original iPhone. So I guess Apple can get away with it because they just can. It's Apple, nuff said. It's a brand other companies would love to be with a very loyal user base. And I mean especially the Mac users. All those post-iPhone people are new to Apple and will switch.
    Apple hasn't slipped, I think they are still number one but you got to keep in mind that Apple now only makes 2 phones. How many does Samsung make? And Nokia! We've got the 1320, 1520, 930, 1020, 3310 and so on. It's impossible to compare those two at the moment.

    Your list:
    * Screen resolution. Do you really need full HD?
    * Size will be dubbed about. Is the 6 inch Lumia 1320 and 1520 ideal? Some say yes, some won't.
    * Resoltion + MP isn't the key for photos. Ask a photographer.
    * Only added NFC for hardware, but hugely enhanced the usability
    * The design at the back is not my taste either, the front is cool enough.

    P.S. I like the iPad look of the home-screen with the apps a little wider on the grid.


    Now there's an idea :)

    Seriously though, is it any more difficult to pull out a slim plastic card, put it in a slot and punch a couple of buttons? It's not as if these virtual wallets or whatever they are called offer anything radically different.
    That's when you use the PIN cards. However in the states it's pretty normal to walk around with your credit card. And I'd be happy enough to keep your card with me and carry it for you. Because all I need to use your bank account is your card. That's why Apple, and others too, want to make a change.
    09-10-2014 04:18 PM
  11. StephanW's Avatar
    I totally see a new Cortana-Siri ad coming up. Maybe something in the lines of "Look who just showed up to the party. Oh and look, she's wearing the same outfit I am."
    Or it starts out as Siri talking about how new and styling she is then the 925 slides in from the right side "***** please..."

    Bottom line, the iSheep crowd will buy the heck out of it no matter how non-innovative it is.
    Your comment is exactly the same as the iSheep (god, I love this one!) on other websites about Microsoft. So what does that make you; Blue-screen-lovers?
    09-10-2014 04:19 PM
  12. jaygeek's Avatar
    What's an iPhone? LOVE NOKIA!
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    09-10-2014 05:24 PM
  13. Great deal's Avatar
    Im missing soo many apps that both Android and Apple have that don't exist on WP. Comparing devices on looks is silly, they all look similar due to ergonomic restrictions, any how the corners on iPhone look much more rounded to me.

    Apple have lost their way though, from the device launch its clear there is little innovation left (ugly phone and watch) - they really need someone to fill Steve Jobs shoes, hard to do but they need a personality. We now have a great flag bearer in Satya Nadella and WP will only get stronger, just hurry the up already!
    09-10-2014 08:48 PM
  14. smoledman's Avatar
    I don't buy the idea that Apple Pay will make NFC payments ubiquitous in America. I'n not holding my breath as to Kroger and Trader Joes upgrading to NFC POS systems. Yes some upscale retail and restaurants will have this, but for 90% of America it's not coming for another 5-7 years.
    09-10-2014 09:19 PM
  15. godse573's Avatar
    What's so extremely unfortunate is that Apple and their IPhones are being sold to all their IFans year after year, with nothing really changing. I mean sure, argue all you want about how they added this, or added that, but nothing really drastic changed. It has been the same thing since day one. All of their Iphones over the generations have gone by this motto: "it is faster, lighter, and the battery lasts longer". There is so much hype generated by this that it is insane. IFans are hypnotized, like it or not, but they are. My dad came up to me and said "look what their doing with Ios8". I responded, OneDrive already does that, or sure that's cool, but is it worth it? Remember how badly ios7 made 4s's run? It was awful, and now my dad is probably going to have to deal with that on his 5s. And why no optical image stabilization on their cameras? I was expecting with all the great phones with great cameras i was expecting Apple to raise the bar higher, but they didn't change a thing. Still 8mp. Still no OIS. That just seems like they are slapping WP in the face because of their boasting of high camera specs. SORRY, windows phones just DO take BETTER pictures. There is no way around it.

    I just feel like yes, Apple is an amazing, and very influential company in the mobile phone industry, but lately they have lacked so much inspiration. I just don't know. I would say that if they didnt get their act together, they will start feeling the consequences, but what are they? They can just keep using that trademark motto and they will sell IPhones until the day we all die. Its sad, but true. And now looking down, i see that 5 million GMail usernames and passwords were leaked. Android is a no go as well. I'm not a fan boy, but Windows Phone is for me. We may not be leading the pack, but we are setting the bar and being creative when really no one else is.
    09-10-2014 09:30 PM
  16. darkoman4's Avatar
    What is realy funy, is that now that they implemented NFC, I am certain you will be able to use it only to pay with your phone. There will be no touch to pair, touch to send data, touch to check in, touch to send sound. They will criple it like they criple bluetooth.
    neo158 and Andrea988 like this.
    09-11-2014 01:53 AM
  17. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    No, they don't. They're all rectangles, they can only vary SO much. The button placement and quantities are different, the edges and corners look noticeably different, and the 925 looks darker.

    No, they don't.
    09-11-2014 06:33 AM
  18. JerseySal's Avatar
    that may be right...but the bottom line is this...which one sells?
    ​You mean which one steals, then sues?
    09-11-2014 08:37 AM
  19. StephanW's Avatar
    What is realy funy, is that now that they implemented NFC, I am certain you will be able to use it only to pay with your phone. There will be no touch to pair, touch to send data, touch to check in, touch to send sound. They will criple it like they criple bluetooth.
    Because you can on Windows Phone?
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    09-11-2014 08:48 AM
  20. Jazmac's Avatar
    Except Apple ARE doing their own thing with Apple Pay, this means that retailers have to add a new payment system to existing NFC based ones just for Apple. We all know what Apple are like with patents as well, which means that IF Apple Pay becomes the dominant NFC payment method then no one else can use it.
    That probably wouldn't work in the long run. In order to make a system like that pay, they have to license the technology to other handset OS makers. That of course, if this technology is successful.
    09-11-2014 10:02 AM
  21. StephanW's Avatar
    That probably wouldn't work in the long run. In order to make a system like that pay, they have to license the technology to other handset OS makers. That of course, if this technology is successful.
    I would like to think different: If you let stores get one universal NFC communication device. This means that someone with an iPhone can use Apple Pay. Someone with a Samsung can use whatever they got and even Windows Phone users can use the Wallet app.

    I strongly believe this will be the future.

    However, if we speak Apple Pay we all think it's paying in stores. But it's also paying in App's. For example here in the Netherlands we've got this cinema app Pathe. If you buy tickets you can pay in either PayPal, Creditcard or with PIN / iDeal (system from Dutch banks all together) but the problem is; you leave the app!
    I would love to just hold my finger for Touch ID or any other personal and safe security check and boom! my tickets are paid. No other apps, no filling in bank account numbers, or logging into PayPal. Sweet!
    09-12-2014 03:37 AM
  22. Erik Johansson1's Avatar
    They're all kind of rectangular and if you compare the same colors (e.g. black), they look somewhat or very similar. However, the demand for the iPhone 6 and 6Plus crashed Apple and all the carrier's websites under the load of pre-orders.
    09-12-2014 01:07 PM
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    09-12-2014 02:39 PM
  24. Andrea988's Avatar
    You clearly dislike the iPhone. But we're on a Windows Phone site so what to expect?

    I would like to discuss. Because you ask how long Apple can get away with this, but they've done this since the original iPhone. So I guess Apple can get away with it because they just can. It's Apple, nuff said. It's a brand other companies would love to be with a very loyal user base. And I mean especially the Mac users. All those post-iPhone people are new to Apple and will switch.
    Apple hasn't slipped, I think they are still number one but you got to keep in mind that Apple now only makes 2 phones. How many does Samsung make? And Nokia! We've got the 1320, 1520, 930, 1020, 3310 and so on. It's impossible to compare those two at the moment.

    Your list:
    * Screen resolution. Do you really need full HD?
    * Size will be dubbed about. Is the 6 inch Lumia 1320 and 1520 ideal? Some say yes, some won't.
    * Resoltion + MP isn't the key for photos. Ask a photographer.
    * Only added NFC for hardware, but hugely enhanced the usability
    * The design at the back is not my taste either, the front is cool enough.

    P.S. I like the iPad look of the home-screen with the apps a little wider on the grid.

    That's when you use the PIN cards. However in the states it's pretty normal to walk around with your credit card. And I'd be happy enough to keep your card with me and carry it for you. Because all I need to use your bank account is your card. That's why Apple, and others too, want to make a change.
    Last point first, just to get it out of the way. Yes we use the PIN cards here in the UK, can't comment on apple's limited-use NFC because Apple Pay isn't available here in the UK yet anyway. But unless they license it to other manufacturers, would everybody want to buy an iPhone just to use Apple Pay?

    Back to the start, I don't dislike the iPhone, I just think they're a rip-off. Apple have slipped, their worldwide market share is widely reported to be down but as you say they only make 2 phones. But Android have over 84% market share while iPhone has under 12%.

    Android, iOS Market Share Data And Apple's iPhone 6 - Business Insider

    If there were only 2 Android phones would Apple have the majority? They are only the most popular single model because Android sales are spread across different handsets.

    - Screen resolution. You might not need it but most if not all other flagship phones have a better resolution, that's the point.
    - Size. Yes people will stick to what they prefer but again, every other flagship handset gives you more screen to use. That's why Apple have produced the 6 Plus but there is no getting away from the fact that the 6's screen is still smaller than every other top-end phone out there.
    - Resolution/MP isn't the key but there are better phone cameras out there.
    - NFC usability has been enhanced, at least if you live in the US, so far it's useless everywhere else but you still can't use it for the same things you can use NFC for on every other phone.
    - Design again is subjective, most iPhone fans won't be able to bring themselves to criticize it but it doesn't look good for a premium handset.

    The whole point is that Apple have produced nothing here that we don't already have, and there are still better phones out there for much less money. If they brought the price down I would not be so critical, but behind the hype there are always flaws that reveal themselves over time with various models. We have had poor reception from aerial problems, broken screens seem to be reported an awful lot, and low light performance of the 5s was frankly awful, to name a few. Now we have the bending iPhone stories. You never get that with a Lumia!
    10-04-2014 07:09 PM
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