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  1. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    Are you serious? just let people have a choice, you don't have to use them but some people have to for work or they actually like it. It's not a deal breaker for us but it is for them.
    i never said a choice shouldnt be there
    i was proving that most microsoft services are actually superior to google
    09-28-2014 02:56 PM
  2. badr0b0t's Avatar
    Not if you preload some of the videos you intend on watching before you leave the house, or even while on public Wifi. But even if not, I prefer to have the best quality video available.
    Okay. That is irrelevant with the topic. We are talking about YOUTUBE and HD STREAMING. And nobody owns non-HD videos these days. So, if you are going to load HD videos on your phone. By all means.
    09-28-2014 03:14 PM
  3. Angry_Mushroom's Avatar
    No official youtube app? Good. Long live myTube and MetroTube.

    Also if I remember right, Europe (or was it the US) is looking into an anti-trust lawsuit against Google due to the lack of extra options for search functions. Also I'd say google is slipping. Apple has been slowly changing over to Bing for their search functions and Siri.
    09-28-2014 05:09 PM
  4. colinkiama's Avatar
    i never said a choice shouldnt be there
    i was proving that most microsoft services are actually superior to google
    So you are saying Google is better than bing? Hangouts is better than Skype? Socl is better than google plus? All I am saying is that there is no 'superior' service suite. People use a company's services for their own specific needs.but the think about WP is that there aren't any options. Sometimes I wish the search button opened the Google app and holding the search button started Google now voice search. Sometimes I wish I could use google maps as a default map. And sometimes I wish I could use official YouTube (even though the third party apps are waaasaay you better)
    09-28-2014 05:11 PM
  5. Nitesh Tilwani's Avatar
    So you are saying Google is better than bing? Hangouts is better than Skype? Socl is better than google plus? All I am saying is that there is no 'superior' service suite. People use a company's services for their own specific needs.but the think about WP is that there aren't any options. Sometimes I wish the search button opened the Google app and holding the search button started Google now voice search. Sometimes I wish I could use google maps as a default map. And sometimes I wish I could use official YouTube (even though the third party apps are waaasaay you better)

    Dude, if you actually love and miss Google's services so much then move to Android... Simple... If you buy Galaxy S5 and expect Siri to work on it you'll be called a fool... These are proprietary services... There is no cross linking... I mean one cant buy a S5 and wish to backup everything on iCloud... As though wanting to use Facetime on Android... Sine services are proprietary and if you bought a phone without being aware of these things you'll obviously be laughed at... You want GSearch and GNow on Search button, Youtube app, Hangouts instead of Skype, then dude i guess you looking for an Android experience without Lags that's it.... You are at the wrong place sir...
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    09-28-2014 05:54 PM
  6. Nerdy Woman's Avatar
    I don't think Google will license both types of licenses to the same OEM anyway. It's one or the other. That's probably why Samsung is messing around with Tizen and not a forked version of Android. Maybe Google will turn even more evil and only license Android to OEMs who will use it exclusively. Then they would really have regulatory problems.
    I think Samsung wants to offer something different than the full Google experience (for example use HERE Maps instead of Google Maps) but at the same time, they don't want to risk losing customers if what they offer would result in missing apps. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
    Google doesn't license the open source version at all. The open source version cannot be called Android (which is why there is Amazon Fire). (You read the Wiki article, yes?)

    While Samsung does have a Tizen phone (Samsung Z), it's the Galaxy w Android OS that is being advertised and pushed on the market. The Tizen OS is used for cameras, wearables, and other devices, and that makes sense because these devices do not require a supporting app store. I seriously doubt Samsung will divide marketing dollars between Android and Tizen OS phones, except in countries where Google services are not available (e.g., China).
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    09-28-2014 06:26 PM
  7. Nerdy Woman's Avatar
    I'm fully willing to admit that Google won't make or help Microsoft in making an official YouTube app, they've had their conflicts in the past.

    But I don't understand what you have against Google promoting it's own services, I've been using Android devices for the past few years and they are extremely open to using Bing services.

    I can still change my default search engine, in *GOOGLE* Chrome to Bing or the other options, but Microsoft is removing to option to change this in their newer Lumia devices.

    Moving on you refer to many of the Google services as "crApps" but please talk to me when Internet Explorer, Bing, Bing Maps, Translate, Google Earth, YouTube have better alternatives from Microsoft.

    Me and a lot of other people don't mind at all if Google promotes it's amazing services by putting them on your Android phone's homescreen or if they give you advertisements every now and then.

    Google and Google's own mobile OS is still way more friendly to Microsoft services, compared to how friendly Microsoft is to Google services on Windows Phone.
    I do wish you had read the article to which I provided a link in the OP...

    "This year, the signed agreement said there must be a Google search widget on the default home screen of the device, along with an icon for the Google Play app store. It said an icon on the device home screen labeled as Google, when clicked, must provide access to a collection of 13 Google apps (Google Chrome, Google Maps, Google Drive, YouTube, Gmail, Google+, Google Play Music, Google Play Movies, Google Play Books, Google Play Newsstand, Google Play Games, Google+ Photos and Google+ Hangouts). The newer agreement also specified the order in which this collection of apps must be listed, from left to right and top to bottom within the Google icon. Several other Google apps, including Google Street View, Google Voice Search and Google Calendar, must be placed no more than one level below the Home Screen, the agreement says. (Device owners can manually change the location of icons on their own.)"

    As for Google offering "amazing services"? Read their privacy policy. https://www.google.com/intl/en/policies/privacy/

    Now read their company philosophy: https://www.google.com/intl/en/about...ny/philosophy/
    Just in case you don't bother to actually read the material to which I've provided links, let me help you...

    From Philosophy, #6:

    "Google is a business. The revenue we generate is derived from offering search technology to companies and from the sale of advertising displayed on our site and on other sites across the web." That "revenue" amounted to $55 BILLION USD last year.

    BTW, the Android OS isn't friendly to MS services because of efforts by Google, but because of efforts by MS. Understand that difference. Microsoft has put forth effort to make their apps friendly on a foreign OS (Android). Google has not made any effort to make their apps friendly on a foreign OS (WP).
    09-28-2014 06:57 PM
  8. colinkiama's Avatar
    Dude, if you actually love and miss Google's services so much then move to Android... Simple... If you buy Galaxy S5 and expect Siri to work on it you'll be called a fool... These are proprietary services... There is no cross linking... I mean one cant buy a S5 and wish to backup everything on iCloud... As though wanting to use Facetime on Android... Sine services are proprietary and if you bought a phone without being aware of these things you'll obviously be laughed at... You want GSearch and GNow on Search button, Youtube app, Hangouts instead of Skype, then dude i guess you looking for an Android experience without Lags that's it.... You are at the wrong place sir...
    Then why can I use google now on my iPad. With the option to use Siri. Hangouts and FaceTime. You can already have the best of both worls in iOS, why not do the same with windows phone
    09-28-2014 07:09 PM
  9. Nerdy Woman's Avatar
    This won't affect the average customer, Google services and search works well. You aren't forced to the Google apps. I don't understand how this makes Google evil. However what is evil is that they made a YouTube app for Wii U but don't even make an app for windows phone. Something tells me market share is not an issue...
    You're right. People who buy Google phones will use Google services and be happy with them. And my point was not to say that Google is evil for doing so. If you read the article to which I provided a link, then you'd understand my point: Google is playing hardball with their manufacturing partners. By requiring manufacturers to ship "Android" phones with approximately 20 Google apps and a Google search icon on the home screen, manufacturers would have to be crazy to use additional storage space for competing apps. If you buy a Google phone, expect to get Google services. Plan to use Google services. Embrace the Google universe.

    With the new agreements, Google is repositioning themselves as an OS developer and signaling the tech world that "Android" (a name Google bought and which will only be licensed to Google-compliant manufacturers) is theirs and theirs alone. We won't see an official YouTube app because they will not do anything that would cause consumers to consider a competing OS (namely WP).
    09-28-2014 07:29 PM
  10. Nerdy Woman's Avatar
    I don't understand the issues here.

    You said - "Google is forcing Android device makers to make and sell Google phones. Android users won't have the option of replacing Google with Bing for web searches. "

    Isn't this case also applied with WP.
    Can any manufacturer and user change search button to Google?
    I don't think so. MS also forcing to use MS services.
    I will ask you same thing
    Why is MS so adamant about WP users using MS services?

    Why Google do it because it's their bread and butter. If they don't do it in this cut throat competition they will be gone

    And reason that YouTube apps isn't available because of same reason that MS Office isn't available for Linux.
    Isn't this also make MS management small minded.
    I'm not disagreeing with you. The point (which apparently you missed) is that if you want Google services (including YouTube), buy a Google phone. Don't expect Google, a direct competitor of Microsoft in many areas, to supply an official YouTube app for Windows Phone.

    The app is the client, the OS is the host. Microsoft, rather than demand that if you want MS services, you buy MS devices, has taken a different approach. Their "bread and butter" is not advertising (which for Google, $55 BILLION USD out of $59 BILLION USD in revenue last year was generated by selling advertising). Microsoft's bread and butter is selling software licenses and subscriptions. By making their apps available on many platforms, they increase the potential for licensing revenues.

    Google doesn't have any services to "sell." They give away services to draw an audience for their advertisers. It is myopic of them to exclude the eyeballs of WP users, but it is what it is. And that is why we won't be seeing an official YouTube app.

    As for the Microsoft/Linux story... I can't argue that Linux deserves a version of Office. But reality check time. Office is a huge beast to build and maintain from the dev POV. Linux is an OS that is largely used on servers, not user workstations. The CFO doesn't need to run Excel on Linux because he's using Windows even if his IT department has Linux running on the servers. Undoubtedly, the omission of Office for Linux is a decision based on ROI, or lack thereof.
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    09-28-2014 07:52 PM
  11. Nerdy Woman's Avatar
    You can call Android fork Android. Even Nokia/Microsoft does. It does have Android experience as it is using Android for the hell. It doesn't have Google Play, but remember Google Play has not even existed in original Android, and Google Play is NOT part of the Android, but something else, don't want to bother with details...
    It always helps the discussion if you read the articles to which I've provided links. From the Wikipedia article about Android:

    "Google Mobile Services software, along with Android trademarks, can only be licensed by hardware manufacturers for devices that meet Google's compatibility standards contained within Android Compatibility Definition Document. Thus, forks of Android that make major changes to the OS itself, such as Amazon's Fire OS (used on the Kindle Fire line of tablets, and oriented towards Amazon services), Microsoft's briefly supported Nokia X Software Platform (a fork used by the Nokia X family and oriented toward Microsoft services, having its support ending with Nokia X2) or other forks which exclude Google apps due to the general unavailability of Google service in that country and licensing fees (such as in China), do not include any of Google's non-free components, are incompatible with apps that require them, and must ship with their own proprietary software marketplace instead of Google Play Store. In 2014, Google also began to require that all Android devices which license the Google Mobile Services software display a prominent "Powered by Android" logo on their boot screens.

    Members of the Open Handset Alliance, which include the majority of Android OEMs, are also contractually forbidden from producing Android devices based on forks of the OS; in 2012, Acer Inc. was forced by Google to halt production on a device powered by Alibaba Group's Aliyun OS with threats of removal from the OHA, as Google deemed the platform to be an incompatible version of Android. Alibaba Group defended the allegations, arguing that the OS was a distinct platform from Android (primarily using HTML5 apps), but incorporated portions of Android's platform to allow backwards compatibility with third-party Android software. Indeed, the devices did ship with an application store which offered Android apps; however, the majority of them were pirated."

    Microsoft can refer to the Android OS when indicating that an app (such as OneNote) is available for Android devices. But as the article to which Xandros9 linked (Google’s iron grip on Android: Controlling open source by any means necessary | Ars Technica), don't buy an Amazon Fire phone and expect to get Google Play or other Google Mobile Apps.

    The point of my OP is to emphasize that Google has decided to go head-to-head with Microsoft as an OS developer. They aren't going to do anything to level the playing field between Android and WP devices (including an official YouTube app for WP). Since they own YouTube, they can make it an Android exclusive if they choose to. And while they may make YouTube available on Xbox (is that an app or just a website wrapper?), they don't sell gaming consoles, do they?

    I can appreciate their reasoning for requiring all Android-licensed hardware manufacturers to ship devices with all the Google services installed and requiring that certain things be visible on the home screen or immediately accessible with a single tap. They want all Android phone buyers to have phones that look like one another out of the box. Microsoft does the same thing with their 3rd-party hardware manufacturers for all their OSs.

    All I'm suggesting here is that if you want Google services, go buy a Google phone.
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    09-28-2014 08:30 PM
  12. DJCBS's Avatar
    The forked Android OSs can't be called Android... The name is owned by Google.
    This is not true. Android's name is Android Open Source Project. Anyone can use it. There's a difference between AOSP and Google's Android, but that doesn't mean that, for example, Amazon, can't call Android to their phones or use the Android name. Microsoft uses it to promote the Nokia X line. Because those phones ARE Android phones.
    They can't however promote the phones in a way that lead consumers to believe they're Google Android phones.
    Which is why OEMs normally call something different to their OSs.

    Also, the fact that Google is requiring OEMs to comply with certain guidelines regarding their apps is perfectly normal. Google has ALWAYS required that OEMs comply with certain things to "certify" their phones and put Google Play services in them.
    An OEM wants to produce an Android phone and put YouTube, Gmail, Hangouts etc it it? Then they have to follow Google's guidelines. If an OEM doesn't want to comply with that - like Amazon - then they can still use AOSP but they won't get Google's Play store and services.
    Which is perfectly reasonable.

    The only reason why Google is tightening their grasp on Google Android phones is because some OEMs are abusing the freedom Android gives them to cast Google aside.
    The most evident one is Samsung.
    Samsung's TouchWiz resembles ANYTHING but Android (actually it resembles iOS more than stock Android). And Samsung was (and still is) loading their phones with basically duplicate services. You have a Samsung Store, a Samsung mail, a Samsung everything-that-Google-Offers duplicate. What was happening was that Samsung was driving people away from Google services and replacing them with Samsung's own services. Yet they were still Google-certified Android phones.
    So Google has to act.

    It would be the same as Microsoft producing Android phones, get Google to certify them, and then fill the phones with Microsoft services in a way so blatantly shameless that people would be driven away from Google's services.
    Google would need to be really stupid to keep certifying and putting their Play Store on phones that were designed to drive people away from Google services.

    At any rate, this tightening of Google's grasp on Android has NOTHING to do with Google not putting their apps on WP. Google has their apps on iOS and iOS is a far greater threat to Android than WP is marketshare wise.
    Google has an old beef with Microsoft. Microsoft mistreated Google in the times when Microsoft was the almighty monopolistic software king. Now Google is getting their revenge and taking advantage of the fact that WP has an insignificant marketshare (hence Google would profit little from it) to boycott Microsoft.
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    09-28-2014 08:35 PM
  13. Nerdy Woman's Avatar
    The article Nerdy Woman linked has no relevance to Windows Phone getting an YouTube app.
    The article to which I provided a link is indicative that Google is going all-in, not as a benefactor of Android Open Source, but as a proprietary OS developer. The new agreements with their manufacturers reveal the extent to which they intend to control how users access their services. Yes, that's only on Android devices, but because they are heavily invested in gaining ROI on Android, they're not going to do anything that would cause users to consider a competing phone OS. That includes spending time and $ creating and supporting a YouTube app for WP. Rather myopic of them given that Google's revenues are mostly advertising dollars and WP users, while fewer in number, do have eyeballs and dollars.

    Microsoft has taken a different approach. They're willing to forego revenues on OS licensing (as indicated by the free license for small device manufacturers), anticipating license and subscription revenues from apps. So they make their apps available for foreign OSs (iOS and Android).

    I'm sorry if you are unable to see the connection, but thank you for sharing your opinion.
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    09-28-2014 08:49 PM
  14. Nerdy Woman's Avatar
    No matter how many times you keep saying that, it won't be true. Educate yourself.

    As for Google services being sub-par, it's amazing that they have so many users, isn't it?
    Educate yourself. Read Google's philosophy. Particularly #6. Here's the link: https://www.google.com/intl/en/about...ny/philosophy/

    and from #6: "Google is a business. The revenue we generate is derived from offering search technology to companies and from the sale of advertising displayed on our site and on other sites across the web. Hundreds of thousands of advertisers worldwide use AdWords to promote their products; hundreds of thousands of publishers take advantage of our AdSense program to deliver ads relevant to their site content."

    In the guise of "personalizing" content, Google tracks your activity. If you are reading up on tourism in Myanmar, you'll see ads related to travel services. Yes, Microsoft does this too, but with Google's double-click and AdWords, many web devs monetize their sites by allowing Google to drop cookies on you. If you visit a website that contains AdWords advertising, expect to see ads related to that site's content when you use Google search, in email advertisements, etc.

    And by all means, read their privacy policy, but wear your skeptical hat while doing so: https://www.google.com/intl/en/policies/privacy/

    That means objectively interpret the phrases and spin they put on things.

    Now, before you reply with a scathing comment about Microsoft doing the same thing... They do and they don't. Microsoft makes privacy options more readily accessible, explains what they do and don't do in plain language, and they even make tracking protection and pop-up blockers not only built-in to IE, but choices you step through the very first time you open IE.

    Compare the Google privacy statement with Microsoft's full-on Privacy website: Microsoft Privacy Statement

    and their site concerning your options regarding advertising: Your privacy and Microsoft personalized ads

    As for Google apps being sub-par? Meh. It's irrelevant. The fact they have so many users just goes to prove that we've all forgotten the lessons our mothers taught us: "Don't take candy from strangers."
    09-28-2014 09:16 PM
  15. Nerdy Woman's Avatar
    Is this for real? You mean like Microsoft does by forcing you to use all things Bing? I'd love an official Google Maps app and YouTube app. Most of all I'd love a decent Facebook app though but that's unlikely to ever happen. Microsofts attitude seems to be "you have an app for that so what's the problem?"
    If you want Google services, go buy a Google phone. Microsoft is not responsible for providing 3rd party services on their devices any more than Google is responsible for making OneNote available on Android.
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    09-28-2014 09:37 PM
  16. Nerdy Woman's Avatar
    Simply put, any argument on this site that discusses Android and Windows Phone turns into a flame war.

    The OP has a problem with Google persuading people using Android to use it's own services, guess what Google can do what it wants and it's services are by no means bad.
    I don't have a problem with Google pushing Google services on Android users. My point was that WP users should not expect to get much love from Google, including an official YouTube app.

    Moving on, Google just tries to persuade you to use it's services you aren't forced to.

    If you don't like the Google Play Store? Change it.
    To what? I suspect that any Android phone user is going to want some apps... Without the G-store, they're not going to be loving their phone.

    If you don't like Google as your search engine? Change it.
    You can do that on WP as well. If you prefer Google, disable that Bing-agent Cortana and change your default search engine.

    Yes, any tech-savvy Android user can take their phone and customize it. But if you had read the article to which I linked in my OP, you'd understand how Google is changing Android. And if manufacturers want to use the little green robot as a marketing tool and the Google Play store as a resource, they better pay attention to the emperor's new rules:

    "This year, the signed agreement said there must be a Google search widget on the default home screen of the device, along with an icon for the Google Play app store. It said an icon on the device home screen labeled as Google, when clicked, must provide access to a collection of 13 Google apps (Google Chrome, Google Maps, Google Drive, YouTube, Gmail, Google+, Google Play Music, Google Play Movies, Google Play Books, Google Play Newsstand, Google Play Games, Google+ Photos and Google+ Hangouts). The newer agreement also specified the order in which this collection of apps must be listed, from left to right and top to bottom within the Google icon. Several other Google apps, including Google Street View, Google Voice Search and Google Calendar, must be placed no more than one level below the Home Screen, the agreement says. (Device owners can manually change the location of icons on their own.)"

    But on Windows Phone, don't like Microsoft, HTC, Samsung or any other OEM camera app? Too bad can't do anything.
    Given that cameras require very tight interaction between firmware and software, you'd be foolish to d/l a 3rd party cam app and expect good results.

    Don't like the default browser and wants to change your default search engine? Too bad.
    As mentioned above, you can change the search engine to Google.

    Don't like Microsoft's keyboard? Too bad. Can't do anything.

    Don't like any of the stock apps? Too bad you can't do much to change them.

    Don't like Xbox Music and Xbox Video? Too bad, they'll always be there.

    Please cry a bit more about how Google forces you to use it's own services and Microsoft doesn't.

    I'm not crying about anything. I love my WP. I love my keyboard with WordFlow. I love the automated backup to my OneDrive and the tight synchronization with my laptop.

    My entire point is this: YOUTUBE AND OTHER GOOGLE APPS ARE JUST THAT. GOOGLE APPS. If you want Google Apps, don't be expecting Google to make them available on your WP. It's not about WP's small market share, it's a Mountain View vs. Redmond rivalry.

    If an official YouTube app is on your must-have list, go buy a Google phone (obviously, Salmanahmad, you already have one).
    09-28-2014 10:02 PM
  17. Nerdy Woman's Avatar
    You guys need to stop ******* about ******* around. The average customer doesn't like workarounds. We need Google Apps. We need hangouts, Gmail, official youtube, Google plus. Not because we like it. It's because people will never switch to WP if they aren't there. So make petitions, complain about apps on WP until Google' servers crash. We need Google. If we didn't need Google then our markets are wouldn't be so low.
    If you need Google services, go buy a Google phone. That's what they want you to do and why they won't build apps for WP. Google doesn't want to make WP a viable competitor in the smartphone market.
    09-28-2014 10:19 PM
  18. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    So you are saying Google is better than bing? Hangouts is better than Skype? Socl is better than google plus? All I am saying is that there is no 'superior' service suite. People use a company's services for their own specific needs.but the think about WP is that there aren't any options. Sometimes I wish the search button opened the Google app and holding the search button started Google now voice search. Sometimes I wish I could use google maps as a default map. And sometimes I wish I could use official YouTube (even though the third party apps are waaasaay you better)
    i actually said the opposite in case you didnt read my post
    bing is better than google
    skype is better than hangouts
    socl is not that great but facebook is better than google+,socl isnt showed down your throat the way google+ is
    i say microsoft has superior service overall and people havent given them a fair shot yet
    why google now? you have cortana which does what google now and siri do ,it also has more features
    what options are you talking about,no one uses google apps except for gmail and maybe google maps
    09-29-2014 12:58 AM
  19. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    @nerdywoman thanks for those links,they enlightened me further on googles shady policies
    btw i totally agree with your sig-
    you cant be a leader if your following the crowd
    ^^its what pushed me to buying a windows phone and a BB10 in the first place
    i gave both windows phone and BB10 a fair shot after years of android and ios and i havent looked back!!
    however "limited" it is in the eyes of naysayers, they certainly won my heart because they got right what we want in a phone(something android and ios lack) and use a fresh approach to mobile operating systems
    we dont want a completely closed or completely open system like ios and android respectively
    windows phone and BB10 have balance especially for devs who give them a fair shot instead of blaming ms with vague reasoning

    just thought i should put my thoughts out there :)
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    09-29-2014 01:06 AM
  20. psoham777's Avatar
    @nerdywoman

    Thanks, your links were really helpful.
    I always buy a unique phone, never follow the crowd. I use wp, because Android is crap & google is cheating WP by not providing the services to them. Never mind, I am more than happy to use Microsoft's services. I love my wp & don't care if others don't like WP
    09-29-2014 01:32 AM
  21. colinkiama's Avatar
    Dafuq? When did I ever say anything like that? I just asked a simple question of "what other apps besides XYZ" in response to you saying that "the world lives on Google", but I guess you just feel the need to be overly dramatic to get your point across instead of jumping to baseless conclusions. Anyways, I'll break this down:
    Search - we have it

    Maps - I can give you that, but it's still not "required" and only about half the people I know actually use it, the rest use Apple Maps or Mapquest on their iPhones, so that just shows that it's not required. Same for Google Earth.

    Hangouts - huh? I have literally never seen anyone use it, talk about it, or have it installed on their phone. Most people I know with an Android phone just use it because Google integrated the text messaging app into it. Way more people use Skype, Whatsapp, and Facetime to communicate.

    Chrome - you mean the browser that it only 1/3 as popular as IE? Ok

    Notes - yes, I'm sure millions could just never switch to WP unless they have their precious Google notes. Most people use Evernote, Onenote, or the built in note application that comes with their phone.

    Google+ - oh come on now, this is almost as bad as Notes. No one uses this thing. Google only got their numbers up from Gmail and Youtube where they forced people to have one.

    Google drive - you mean the third largest cloud service? Hardly something that is preventing 95% of the population from switching.

    I can give you YouTube, search, Gmail, and MAYBE google maps, but the rest NOT heavily used by the general population and precisely prove my point about how you're putting your own biases on the global population. Yes, I'm sure they each have their own global and million strong user fanbases, but they're a far cry from "the world requires Google".

    Edit: Also, Microsoft has publically stated that Microsoft Mobile will be profitable by next year, so I'm not sure what you're trying to say at the end.
    The only reason ie is popular is because it's pre installed on pc's people just use it to download chrome or Firefox then it is abandoned and never used again.
    09-29-2014 02:26 AM
  22. colinkiama's Avatar
    i actually said the opposite in case you didnt read my post
    bing is better than google
    skype is better than hangouts
    socl is not that great but facebook is better than google+,socl isnt showed down your throat the way google+ is
    i say microsoft has superior service overall and people havent given them a fair shot yet
    why google now? you have cortana which does what google now and siri do ,it also has more features
    what options are you talking about,no one uses google apps except for gmail and maybe google maps
    And both of those apps are not on WP.
    09-29-2014 02:28 AM
  23. D M C's Avatar
    hangouts, Google maps and Google search. I don't understand why you don't want the majority of smartphone users (95%) to switch to WP because of your own personal vendettas to google. Numbers don't lie, Microsoft are losing money from windows phone.
    LOL!
    " majority of smartphone users (95%) to switch to WP because of your own personal vendettas to google."

    Well if you are on WPCentral then this 95% is quite accurate for WP users. or may be less,, I think 99% will be more accurate

    but considering all WP users might be wrong.
    Few users love to try different OS.
    and some of them bought for Camera or Nokia brand.
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    09-29-2014 02:30 AM
  24. colinkiama's Avatar
    Mytube beta is looking good though
    09-29-2014 02:34 AM
  25. colinkiama's Avatar
    LOL!
    " majority of smartphone users (95%) to switch to WP because of your own personal vendettas to google."

    Well if you are on WPCentral then this 95% is quite accurate for WP users. or may be less,, I think 99% will be more accurate

    but considering all WP users might be wrong.
    Few users love to try different OS.
    and some of them bought for Camera or Nokia brand.
    WP has 2.7% of the world market. The other phones are feature phones. 95% are smartphones.
    09-29-2014 02:40 AM
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