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  1. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    I've contacted the person who I bought the Nexus 5 off from eBay and he told me that he was selling the Nexus for cheap because of the faulty autofocus. He told me that Google is offering replacements now for any damaged Nexus 5, no matter what.

    So I'm sending my Nexus 5 for repair/replacement to Google.

    Meanwhile salmanahmad's Nexus 5 images from imgur are pretty nice. Nexus 5 seems to have an underrated sensor.
    no in general the nexus 5 autofocus is deadly slow
    could be worse with a defect though i guess
    i agree it has an underrated sensor though
    10-10-2014 05:57 AM
  2. TLRtheory's Avatar
    Tone the 1020 down to iPhone's level and it'll shoot fast shots too.
    10-10-2014 05:58 AM
  3. salmanahmad's Avatar
    All that needs to be said/shown. I have yet to see images better than these from any iPhone/other phone. Nokia's pureview cameras are the best in the phone "arena", Hands down.
    PUREVIEW PHOTOGRAPHY - HOME
    Many of those images, while indeed being spectacular can be snapped by an iOS or Android device.

    no in general the nexus 5 autofocus is deadly slow
    could be worse with a defect though i guess
    i agree it has an underrated sensor though
    Mobile photography is one of my favourite things, I'll admit I'm not the best but it's a huge consideration when buying a device(unless I'm short on cash).

    I had the opportunity to go for a Nexus 5 or a Lumia 925, all differences aside, I chose the Nexus 5 and the camera did focus and snap a photo faster than the 925(with and without Nokia Camera).

    The Nexus 5 has pretty quick autofocus, only in a few very challenging lighting conditions can the Nexus 5 become a pain.

    Tone the 1020 down to iPhone's level and it'll shoot fast shots too.
    We'll talk when toning down to 8 MP is possible, till then it's not relevant.
    10-10-2014 09:37 AM
  4. jlzimmerman's Avatar
    A major reason I have pureview camera phone (Lumia Icon) is because I am an amateur photographer. I have yet to see any iPhone take shots like the Icon/1520/930. Just look at some of the photos on their Flickr page. Amazing.
    https://www.flickr.com/groups/lumia1520


    Here's a couple from my Icon, all but one was edited in-phone. I have not yet seen a phone that comes close to what this phone gives me.
    Haters Gonna Hate by jlzimmerman, on Flickr

    Pool Deck by jlzimmerman, on Flickr

    Carnival Swings by jlzimmerman, on Flickr

    String of Lights by jlzimmerman, on Flickr
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    10-10-2014 09:52 AM
  5. Ebaneeezor's Avatar
    "edits OP's title"

    "Why the iPhone 6 Camera Beats the 1020, for me"
    10-10-2014 10:05 AM
  6. psoham777's Avatar
    First of all iPhone 6/6+ wasn't even able to beat Lumia icon/930 in camera tests. 1020 is too far off.

    If someone is an iPhone fan, be happy with your iPhone 6, don't bother to compare a phone with another phone which has more than 5 times better camera.

    Let experts do that.

    Sent from my dark knight 1320
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    10-10-2014 10:09 AM
  7. salmanahmad's Avatar
    First of all iPhone 6/6+ wasn't even able to beat Lumia icon/930 in camera tests. 1020 is too far off.

    If someone is an iPhone fan, be happy with your iPhone 6, don't bother to compare a phone with another phone which has more than 5 times better camera.

    Let experts do that.

    Sent from my dark knight 1320
    I've realized that OP has gotten himself into a war that no one can win.

    Experts have gone back and forth and each of them come out with their own findings and results.

    It depends on who "you" trust, because if I post a comparison from The Verge, phonearena or any other "experts" people will just say they are biased against Windows Phones.

    So really, no point of arguing.

    But I'll just give my honest opinion, a fast camera matters a lot and I've used the iPhone 6's camera. It's fast, detailed, crazy fast to focus, and offers more features primarily in the video recording.
    10-10-2014 10:42 AM
  8. chezm's Avatar
    no in general the nexus 5 autofocus is deadly slow
    could be worse with a defect though i guess
    i agree it has an underrated sensor though
    Coming from someone who had a L1020, and now uses a Nexus 5...i dont find the autofocus slow at all, infact its on par with the L1020's.

    I will also add, while the Nexus 5 camera cant compete with the L1020 from a RAW data image standard, when it comes to auto shooting the camera is much better than people say it is. These are unedited pics i took, i gotta say i am thoroughly happy with the quality...even when viewed on larger screens.
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    10-10-2014 10:48 AM
  9. salmanahmad's Avatar
    Coming from someone who had a L1020, and now uses a Nexus 5...i dont find the autofocus slow at all, infact its on par with the L1020's.

    I will also add, while the Nexus 5 camera cant compete with the L1020 from a RAW data image standard, when it comes to auto shooting the camera is much better than people say it is. These are unedited pics i took, i gotta say i am thoroughly happy with the quality...even when viewed on larger screens.
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    Yeah the OP admitted he has a defected model.

    The autofocus on mine is great too. And DNG support is coming in Android L.

    Some photos I've snapped with N5:

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    One of the best I've taken(yet).

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    It focused very well on the plant :3

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    Those clouds though :D

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    Lowlight :3
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    10-10-2014 10:52 AM
  10. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    its not about quality,its autofocus is nowhere near my 720,820 or Z10
    i dunno much about 1020s autofocus because i dont own one,my brother does,but i dont use it much

    @salmanahmad
    sigh,i can argue about this all day long just like in those other threads where you were proved wrong by the others
    its slow by default,maybe the defect made it worse
    Last edited by Guytronic; 10-10-2014 at 02:54 PM.
    10-10-2014 10:53 AM
  11. chezm's Avatar
    its not about quality,its autofocus is nowhere near my 720,820 or Z10
    i dunno much about 1020s autofocus because i dont own one,my brother does,but i dont use it much
    you're speaking of autofocus speed, as in Nexus 5 autofocus speed is not as fast (? sorry im not a photo expert at all so excuse my lack of terms or knowledge) as those other devices you mentioned? On the 1020, WP in general doesnt have an autofocus from what i recall...you need to tap the screen to autofocus dont you?
    10-10-2014 10:59 AM
  12. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    I've realized that OP has gotten himself into a war that no one can win.

    Experts have gone back and forth and each of them come out with their own findings and results.

    It depends on who "you" trust, because if I post a comparison from The Verge, phonearena or any other "experts" people will just say they are biased against Windows Phones.

    So really, no point of arguing.

    But I'll just give my honest opinion, a fast camera matters a lot and I've used the iPhone 6's camera. It's fast, detailed, crazy fast to focus, and offers more features primarily in the video recording.



    Head to head: iPhone 6 Plus vs Lumia 930 video performance | Windows Phone Central

    i seriously doubt that especially the video recording point

    the verge,phone arena,gsm arena, Linus sebastian etc arent "experts" like some people want to believe
    you want proof,head over to crackberry forums where im equally active these days,they will also tell you the lack of research by such "experts" regarding WP and BB10 is rather shocking

    I dont think youve used an iphone 6,like you mentioned in another thread a few days ago
    for proof see the videos
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    10-10-2014 11:03 AM
  13. BatteryLife's Avatar
    All these fanboyism, please show me how THIS IS NOT FANBOYISM.

    Lumia 1020 is 5 times better. Wow. You can quantitatively measure a qualitative aspect. I'm impressed. Please elaborate.

    To the guy saying if Lumia 1020 captures 8MP images, it can save as fast. NOPE. Not without work from the developers anyway. Have you heard of a buffer? In proffesional DSLR's, buffers are used so that you could still capture images while the image is saved/processed. Nokia camera does not save images using the buffer. That's why it requires time to save/process it while you're stuck grumbling. I hope whoever's handling the Lumia line could put in a dedicated image processor chip though.

    I guess I need not talk about autofocus in the dark. I know that love is blind, but sometimes we should acknowledge the flaws in the things we own. We should learn how to appreciate others too.

    AND FOR THOSE WHO SAY LUMIA 1020 EXCELS IN MANUAL MODE. It does, I'm not disagreeing. But kindly note that iOS8 allows manual controls too. So does HTC. Oppo smartphones allow up to 8 sec exposure ;).

    Time to step up your game, Microsoft.
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    10-10-2014 11:18 AM
  14. salmanahmad's Avatar
    @salmanahmad
    sigh,i can argue about this all day long just like in those other threads where you were proved wrong by the others
    its slow by default,maybe the defect made it worse
    I was proved wrong? I'll admit I may have been wrong one time or the other and I've admitted it. But you've been continually proven wrong on several occasions, just as an example when you said that Symbian had a notification centre before Android.

    I own a Nexus 5, you can't argue with me about it all day. I can have a video about Nexus 5's autofocus put up on YouTube in less than 20 minutes.

    you're speaking of autofocus speed, as in Nexus 5 autofocus speed is not as fast (? sorry im not a photo expert at all so excuse my lack of terms or knowledge) as those other devices you mentioned? On the 1020, WP in general doesnt have an autofocus from what i recall...you need to tap the screen to autofocus dont you?
    The 1020 does have autofocus, but the autofocus system it uses is called single shot autofocus i.e. it focuses every single time you take a shot, I can't see how single shot autofocus can be better than the Nexus 5's continuous autofocus...unless special hardware like a laser sensor is attached.




    Head to head: iPhone 6 Plus vs Lumia 930 video performance | Windows Phone Central

    i seriously doubt that especially the video recording point

    the verge,phone arena,gsm arena, Linus sebastian etc arent "experts" like some people want to believe
    you want proof,head over to crackberry forums where im equally active these days,they will also tell you the lack of research by such "experts" regarding WP and BB10 is rather shocking

    I dont think youve used an iphone 6,like you mentioned in another thread a few days ago
    for proof see the videos
    Micheal Fisher's review didn't go into depth about the camera. And WPCentral's comparison just proved me right about the autofocus.

    Linus and the others are indeed experts, but even if you don't trust them there are other sites that said the iPhone 5S had a better camera than the 1020, and obviously if they we're right the iPhone 6 would beat it as well.

    http://m.blog.laptopmag.com/iphone-5...ia-1020-camera

    But there is no point of arguing, because now you'll say laptopmag aren't experts either.

    It just depends on what "experts" you want to believe.
    10-10-2014 11:29 AM
  15. heickelrrx's Avatar
    If op really love iPhone 6 why don't he compare it to Lumia 830? iPhone 6 is new devices while 1020 older one. It may have some deflect that need to fixed by it's successor. The only reason is because the snapdragon S4 as it's chip. It a lot more fair to compare it with 930 or 830 rather than 1020 when talk about performance.
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    10-10-2014 11:31 AM
  16. salmanahmad's Avatar
    All these fanboyism, please show me how THIS IS NOT FANBOYISM.

    Lumia 1020 is 5 times better. Wow. You can quantitatively measure a qualitative aspect. I'm impressed. Please elaborate.

    To the guy saying if Lumia 1020 captures 8MP images, it can save as fast. NOPE. Not without work from the developers anyway. Have you heard of a buffer? In proffesional DSLR's, buffers are used so that you could still capture images while the image is saved/processed. Nokia camera does not save images using the buffer. That's why it requires time to save/process it while you're stuck grumbling. I hope whoever's handling the Lumia line could put in a dedicated image processor chip though.

    I guess I need not talk about autofocus in the dark. I know that love is blind, but sometimes we should acknowledge the flaws in the things we own. We should learn how to appreciate others too.

    AND FOR THOSE WHO SAY LUMIA 1020 EXCELS IN MANUAL MODE. It does, I'm not disagreeing. But kindly note that iOS8 allows manual controls too. So does HTC. Oppo smartphones allow up to 8 sec exposure ;).

    Time to step up your game, Microsoft.
    OPPO allows 32s shutter speed as well in some of their devices. 😨

    At least I've heard that.
    10-10-2014 11:48 AM
  17. psoham777's Avatar
    I've realized that OP has gotten himself into a war that no one can win.

    Experts have gone back and forth and each of them come out with their own findings and results.

    It depends on who "you" trust, because if I post a comparison from The Verge, phonearena or any other "experts" people will just say they are biased against Windows Phones.

    So really, no point of arguing.

    But I'll just give my honest opinion, a fast camera matters a lot and I've used the iPhone 6's camera. It's fast, detailed, crazy fast to focus, and offers more features primarily in the video recording.
    Here we aren't talking about how fast a phone takes a picture. I know 1020 is a bit slow because its old now, & you are reacting as if you always need to take pictures in motion. We are basically talking about the quality of pictures taken, 1020 is still the king 👑
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    10-10-2014 11:56 AM
  18. theefman's Avatar
    Bloggers are not "experts".
    10-10-2014 11:58 AM
  19. salmanahmad's Avatar
    Here we aren't talking about how fast a phone takes a picture. I know 1020 is a bit slow because its old now, & you are reacting as if you always need to take pictures in motion. We are basically talking about the quality of pictures taken, 1020 is still the king 👑
    OP mentioned this in a good example, quality and speed can go together.

    Like the example he gave of the kid and the cat in the elevator.

    He got the photo of the adorable cat on the iPhone.

    But he got a much much much more detailed photo of the elevator once the child had left.

    So yes I'll admit no one can beat 1020 in quality even if it means not getting the photo you wanted at the time you wanted.

    Bloggers are not "experts".
    What about Phonearena?

    Oh wait...they aren't reliable because they say iPhone wins.

    I rest my case.
    Last edited by Guytronic; 10-10-2014 at 02:55 PM.
    10-10-2014 12:02 PM
  20. psoham777's Avatar
    I was proved wrong? I'll admit I may have been wrong one time or the other and I've admitted it. But you've been continually proven wrong on several occasions, just as an example when you said that Symbian had a notification centre before Android.

    I own a Nexus 5, you can't argue with me about it all day. I can have a video about Nexus 5's autofocus put up on YouTube in less than 20 minutes.



    The 1020 does have autofocus, but the autofocus system it uses is called single shot autofocus i.e. it focuses every single time you take a shot, I can't see how single shot autofocus can be better than the Nexus 5's continuous autofocus...unless special hardware like a laser sensor is attached.



    Micheal Fisher's review didn't go into depth about the camera. And WPCentral's comparison just proved me right about the autofocus.

    Linus and the others are indeed experts, but even if you don't trust them there are other sites that said the iPhone 5S had a better camera than the 1020, and obviously if they we're right the iPhone 6 would beat it as well.

    http://m.blog.laptopmag.com/iphone-5...ia-1020-camera

    But there is no point of arguing, because now you'll say laptopmag aren't experts either.

    It just depends on what "experts" you want to believe.

    There are many "iPhone fan sites" which still say that iPhones still have the best camera. If you want you can believe it. It's like a blind person only knows darkness, he would never be able to see the light, no matter how hard you try to show him the light.

    That doesn't change the fact that 1020 still has the best camera in a phone.
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    10-10-2014 12:04 PM
  21. BatteryLife's Avatar
    Here we aren't talking about how fast a phone takes a picture. I know 1020 is a bit slow because its old now, & you are reacting as if you always need to take pictures in motion. We are basically talking about the quality of pictures taken, 1020 is still the king 👑
    I have said this repeatedly and I'm going to say it again. But since some of us obviously didn't see it out can't understand, let me rephrase it into layman terms. The postprocessing of Lumia 1020 is MEDIOCRE. There, do you understand what I'm trying to convey now? Quality of pictures depends on a lot of factors, and its not skin deep.

    Yea yea, I know you could use raw. How many users really do that?

    P.S. The king is 808 PV. All hail the king!
    10-10-2014 12:06 PM
  22. salmanahmad's Avatar
    There are many "iPhone fan sites" which still say that iPhones still have the best camera. If you want you can believe it. It's like a blind person only knows darkness, he would never be able to see the light, no matter how hard you try to show him the light.

    That doesn't change the fact that 1020 still has the best camera in a phone.
    The last line of what Latopmag said is what was the best part about their post:

    "To be fair, the Lumia 1020 offers much greater control over individual settings, letting the user manually adjust ISO, shutter speed, white balance and more. However, when it comes to being able to whip your phone out of your pocket and fire off a quick shot or two the way most smartphone cameras are used the iPhone 5s is the better everyday smartphone camera."

    Sure 1020 can take better photos than an iPhone given that you have the time and incentive to adjust settings every single time.
    10-10-2014 12:08 PM
  23. BatteryLife's Avatar
    OPPO allows 32s shutter speed as well in some of their devices. 😨

    At least I've heard that.
    Oh aww. You're right I think. My bad

    I have never used an Oppo before. Contemplating to get one, since arguably its one of the innovative smartphone maker.

    I thought I read earlier that it has max 8 sec, maybe that's only for the find 7
    10-10-2014 12:09 PM
  24. psoham777's Avatar
    What about Phonearena?

    Oh wait...they aren't reliable because they say iPhone wins.

    I rest my case.

    Phonearena, fonearena, gsmarena etc sites should not to be believed always. I've seen so many mistakes in the specs of a phone on these sites, so IMHO it doesn't matter. If you believe them fine, but they are not always right.

    The last line of what Latopmag said is what was the best part about their post:

    "To be fair, the Lumia 1020 offers much greater control over individual settings, letting the user manually adjust ISO, shutter speed, white balance and more. However, when it comes to being able to whip your phone out of your pocket and fire off a quick shot or two the way most smartphone cameras are used the iPhone 5s is the better everyday smartphone camera."

    Sure 1020 can take better photos than an iPhone given that you have the time and incentive to adjust settings every single time.

    It's upto you how you use it. If you are much into photography, you would spend time with 1020s individual settings. Definitely a phone can only have a good camera if it had more options, which 1020 has. If you don't adjust the settings in 1020, you'd still be able to get good pictures with 1020.
    Last edited by Guytronic; 10-10-2014 at 02:52 PM.
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    10-10-2014 12:09 PM
  25. hcrick's Avatar
    Basically just get the camera that suits your style. I don't shoot moving objects much so getting the better image and more detail from the 1020 is priceless, but you won't find me posting on iphone/apple forums about how much better the 1020 is than the iphone.
    10-10-2014 12:15 PM
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