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There are no improvements, really.

Not today, but three months from now, the improvement is likely to be price.

If they are getting rid of the Nokia X and Asha series, this is what will have to replace it... I'm sceptical, but that is apparently the idea.
 
Re: 530 announced!!!! We wanted more!!!

Not today, but three months from now, the improvement is likely to be price.

This is what nobody seems to understandy. Everybody is just crying about flashlight, ffc or ram.

A few weeks after their releases, the 620 was sold for about 260€ and the 520 for 180€. But these days, one can get a Lumia 630 for only 130€ and the 530 will start at 100€. That's dirt sheep and a whole different price league than their "predecessor".
 
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I think they just shifted the spectrum, the 520 successor became the 630, the 530 is a new low budget phone replacing the old low budget Nokia smartphones.

Of course, at the same time they try to cash in on the 520's success.

That, my man! You got it spot on.. Now waiting for the launch price of 530 in India.. Expect it should be around 8,000 INR.. 520 debuted at 10,000 INR and currently retailing at around 7,500 INR. Lumia 630 is presently 9,500 INR.
 
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Just to clear up confusion guys, when Snapdragon provides quad cores for budget SOCs like Snapdragon 200 and 400, the quad cores are just added to impress the community.

I am 80% sure that the dual core Lumia 520 will indeed perform much better than the 530.

Similarly everything else is a downgrade, EVEN THE PROCESSOR.

The real successor for the 520 is the 630, basically to sum up what Microsoft has tried to do:

To compete with the Moto G you have a Lumia 630.

To compete with the Mote E they made the Lumia 530.

Lumia 520 stands somewhere in between these two and is still an amazing device.

On a sidenote the dual core Snapdragon processor on the 520 can play 1080p videos, which is pretty impressive considering the price.
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Re: 530 announced!!!! We wanted more!!!

L530 has Adreno 302 while L520 has Adreno 305. L530 has only 4gb memory while L520 has 8gb memory. L530 has a fixed focus camera while L520 has autofocus. L530 can only record videos upto wvga(854*480) while L520 can record upto 720p. L530 has normal LCD display while L520 has IPS LCD L530 is thicker than L520 And to add salt to the wound/insult to injury L530 will be more expensive than L520. Now if this phone was called L430 or L420 and priced lower than L520 then it would have been fine but as it stands now L530 is a really poor value proposition as L520/525 are much better not to mention Moto E is also much better. When L520 came out last year it took the world by storm and so did Moto E this year but L530 forget improving on L520 it instead downgrades the specs and slaps a higher price.
Why buy this when one can buy Moto E at cheaper price and better specs.
Posted from my Lumia 520.
 
L530 has Adreno 302 while L520 has Adreno 305. L530 has only 4gb memory while L520 has 8gb memory. L530 has a fixed focus camera while L520 has autofocus. L530 can only record videos upto wvga(854*480) while L520 can record upto 720p. L530 has normal LCD display while L520 has IPS LCD L530 is thicker than L520 And to add salt to the wound/insult to injury L530 will be more expensive than L520. Now if this phone was called L430 or L420 and priced lower than L520 then it would have been fine but as it stands now L530 is a really poor value proposition as L520/525 are much better not to mention Moto E is also much better. When L520 came out last year it took the world by storm and so did Moto E this year but L530 forget improving on L520 it instead downgrades the specs and slaps a higher price.
Why buy this when one can buy Moto E at cheaper price and better specs.
Posted from my Lumia 520.
I came here to write just about the same.
But I believe 530 is cheaper than 520, you can notice the difference in launching price.

Also, what will happen with manufactures like Blu?, it will be really difficult to them to launch a cheaper device.
 
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Just to clear up confusion guys, when Snapdragon provides quad cores for budget SOCs like Snapdragon 200 and 400, the quad cores are just added to impress the community.

I am 80% sure that the dual core Lumia 520 will indeed perform much better than the 530.


Didn't Daniel Rubino do a real life benchmark between the 1020's S4 vs the 630's 400?
 
Re: 530 announced!!!! We wanted more!!!

Didn't Daniel Rubino do a real life benchmark between the 1020's S4 vs the 630's 400?

Yes, he did. Now if you can tell me what those numbers he reported actually mean, you win the internet!

For example, what does Basemark OS II's system performance of 571 for the Lumia 630 mean? How much better is that than the 1020's 465? Does that mean the 630 will run apps 22% faster? ...you might think, but after actually using the two devices side-by-side, you'd say the opposite, so why the bigger number? Does it maybe not apply to all apps? What if one of Basemark OS II's numbers is lower and the other is higher, which of those is more important for judging app performance? How big does the difference need to be for it to be noticeable?

I'll help you out. None of those numbers tell you anything. At best it tells you how good each device can run the benchmarking app's individual tests. Nothing more. Unfortunately, unless you plan to use your device primarily to run that benchmarking app, that just isn't very interesting. Why is that so? Because as long as we don't have a solid understanding of what each of those tests do and how to interpret the numerical results, we have no way of knowing how close they come to mimicking what apps actually do during everyday use! As it is, that benchmarking app is just a toy that creates pretty bar diagrams. Looking at the results, I'd say they are actually more deceptive than helpful.

Just to drive the point home, note that I can easily write a benchmark "proving" the 630 is four times faster than the 1020, but I can also write a benchmark showing that the 630 is only half as fast as the 1020. Neither of those benchmarks means anything, unless I also tell you exactly what is being measured!

Here are examples of more useful benchmarks:

Motorola Moto G (uses the exact same SoC as in the Lumia 630)
Motorole Droid RAZR HD (uses the exact same SoC as in the Lumia 1020)

This isn't as pretty to look at, and some might find these more confusing, but they are infinitely more useful. Why? Because here it's well understood what is being tested. You can lookup the details for most of those tests on the internet and get a good idea of how they work. That allows us to make better predictions of how those results translate into perceivable differences during everyday use. You don't need a degree in computer science for these number to be useful though. To get a general idea of a smartphone CPU's performance, it's usually enough to just look at the single-core performance score, as that is much more important than the multi-core score. Looking at the above benchmarks, you'll see the Lumia 1020 (equivalent) has a single-core score of 518, while the Lumia 630 has a score of 338. That is a 47% difference in the Lumia 1020's favour. This is a much better representation of what to expect during daily use, despite Basemark OS II's system score suggesting the opposite.

I suspect that Basemark OS II's system score is some amalgamation of single- and multi-core scores, but that isn't very useful. It's actually counter productive, because with each additional CPU core beyond the second, it causes the test to less accurately reflect how real apps actually work (real apps never perfectly scale across cores, the way multi-core benchmarks do).

So much for WPC's 630 to 1020 benchmark comparison. Getting back to the Lumia 530...

All of this applies to the Lumia 530 too, which will perform identically to the Lumia 630, except in GPU benchmarks, where it will perform worse. Above we were of course comparing the 630/530 to the previous generations high-end dual-core CPUs, just like WPC did. That just isn't quite fair. Compared to the Lumia 520, the 530 is likely ever so slightly slower (in most situations), but probably not noticeably slower. In graphics intensive games it might be noticeably slower. I don't know. I haven't yet found good benchmarks for the Lumia 520, but I'd say any performance disadvantage isn't likely to be a big deal. There is likely one important exception however, which is IE. Internet bowers are good at making use of many cores, particularly when rendering complicated web pages. Here it is fair to expect the 530 to do better than the 520. I just can't say how much better, but I'd expect it to be noticeable. That would be an interesting test.

In summary, while the Lumia 530 is overall definitely the weakest contender in the entire Lumia line up to date (despite having four cores looking good on paper) the question remains whether being the weakest automatically makes it a bad phone. Personally, I don't think that is necessarily the case. It just needs to run well enough for the asking price.
 
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Adreno 305 is just a high clocked 302, gaming would still be crappy on the 530 provided its currently crappy on a 520/521 (I haven't experienced first hand so cannot vouch for it). SD200 still has the same A7 cortex cores of the S4, its clocked lower than the S4 hence the performance difference would be visible (slightly) only when opening apps as single core clocks mostly affect load times but not necessarily performance. Once the app loads, the OS is responsible (and the app devs) to allocate opened threads by the application to distribute to unused threads on other/same cores. What I am trying to say here is a higher per core speed does not necessary mean a better processor. Also as you mentioned that apps really don't scale across cores is not true, atleast not in 2014 (I am an app developer myself, not a WP app dev though :P ...but MS ecosystem). Secondly, due to power management improvements, the SD200 is optimized to last longer on battery (which folks do appreciate).

I do agree with you on some of your points but not completely (till I actually see real world tests)...and yes, overall the 530 does not look like an upgrade to the 52x but more of a variant....my opinion.
 
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Adreno 305 is just a high clocked 302, gaming would still be crappy on the 530 provided its currently crappy on a 520/521 (I haven't experienced first hand so cannot vouch for it).

Obviously, since as you just said the 302 is slower...

What I am trying to say here is a higher per core speed does not necessary mean a better processor.

That is also not what I said. I was quite specific that I was talking only about smartphone CPUs. The number of apps in the app store that make good use of more than two cores on WP is essentially zero, which is why single-threaded performance is the far more important metric.

I do agree with you on some of your points but not completely (till I actually see real world tests)...and yes, overall the 530 does not look like an upgrade to the 52x but more of a variant....my opinion.

There isn't much to agree or disagree with, it's pretty much just measurements. Feel free to disagree with them if you must...

SD 200 still has the same A7 cortex cores of the S4

Ehmm... except the S4 doesn't have A7 cores. The A7 cores are a notable downgrade from the Krait cores used in the S4's.

I am an app developer myself, not a WP app dev though :P ...but MS ecosystem).

Then I shouldn't have had to explain why the benchmarking results provided by Basmark OS II aren't worth much... :-/
 
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The reason it has worse spec than the 520 is because it costs half as much. On release, the 520 costs ?180, and the new 530, with only slightly worse specifications than the 520, costs ?85! The snapdragon 200 should deliver similar performance to the snapdragon s4 play, so that is not a valid concern. For those who think 4GB storage is too little: Have you ever heard of microSD cards? The new 5xx range is supposed to be about getting windows phone to run on the lowest specs possible without lag. If you want a real upgrade, get a 635. The 530 is a slightly better phone than the 520 for a much lower price.
 
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1.2 GHz quad core snapdragon 200 that is nice.. And has dual sim feature.. Rest is same with 520!! At least we wanted 1gigs of ram!!! And a front shooter or a flash..

More features = more monies :D

Which is exactly what the 5xx series of phone is for. :)
 
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Obviously, since as you just said the 302 is slower...

Agree, but that does not mean its considerably slower. Also a GPU does not work alone but depends on the CPU for processing (cores, clock speed, etc.)

That is also not what I said. I was quite specific that I was talking only about smartphone CPUs. The number of apps in the app store that make good use of more than two cores on WP is essentially zero, which is why single-threaded performance is the far more important metric.

And I was precisely talking about CPUs in general which also true for WP (smartphone OS), the OS is smart enough (along with assistance from the chipset) to decide the use of multiple cores.

There isn't much to agree or disagree with, it's pretty much just measurements. Feel free to disagree with them if you must...

Agree, you have the liberty to either agree or not to


Ehmm... except the S4 doesn't have A7 cores. The A7 cores are a notable downgrade from the Krait cores used in the S4's.

Thanks for pointing that out, and after looking at the specification sheet for the A7-Cortex and Krait I do agree that the A7-Cortex is less optimized than the Krait,though they both support the same CPU instruction set

Then I shouldn't have had to explain why the benchmarking results provided by Basmark OS II aren't worth much... :-/

​Yes, and I still stand to my point. The Basemark OS II bechmarks performed by Daniel does show the overall performance including graphics, memory, and CPU in which the CPU absolutely wins against the S4 in every test. Again Daniel compared a SD400 w/ the S4 Plus which is or might not be same as comparing a SD200 w/ a S4 Play processor. Unless you do a direct real world benchmark between the SD200 and the S4 Play (overall and not only single core performance) there's no way to really find out if the the processor in the 530 is an upgrade/downgrade when compared to the 52X
 
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The 530 is a slightly better phone than the 520 for a much lower price.

The 530 is actually worse in several aspects than the 520, which I just bought at Walmart for $65. I don't see how they are going to get much under that number unless they start putting them in Happy Meals or boxes of breakfast cereal.
 
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The 530 is actually worse in several aspects than the 520, which I just bought at Walmart for $65. I don't see how they are going to get much under that number unless they start putting them in Happy Meals or boxes of breakfast cereal.

Maybe... But we won't find out until Microsoft buys McDonald's.
 
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And I was precisely talking about CPUs in general which also true for WP (smartphone OS), the OS is smart enough (along with assistance from the chipset) to decide the use of multiple cores.

Makes no sense to talk about CPUs in general, because the types of workloads for CPUs in a servers, for example, are entirely different from the workloads generated for smartphones. Pretty much reversed actually.

Additionally, neither the OS nor the chipset determines how many cores come into play. That is primarily influenced by the type of app running in the foreground. The OS can manage threads, but it's the apps that create and/or dispose them. But I think we can put this topic to rest. Doesn't make sense to discuss it any further.

​Daniel compared a SD400 w/ the S4 Plus which is or might not be same as comparing a SD200 w/ a S4 Play processor. Unless you do a direct real world benchmark between the SD200 and the S4 Play (overall and not only single core performance) there's no way to really find out if the the processor in the 530 is an upgrade/downgrade when compared to the 52X

Sure, but YOU were the one that raised the issue of the 630 to 1020 comparison. Remember? My point here was that a dual-core 1020 can and does perform better than a quad-core 630, meaning there is more to it than just core count. That is verifiable by actually using and comparing the two devices, despite the Basemark OS II benchmark suggesting otherwise. The other thing I wanted to show is that there actually are better benchmarks available, which more accurately reflect what we can expect in real world use, because the 1020 does actually perform better!

I agree with you that we'd need actual benchmarks of the SoC in the 520 to make accurate comparisons to the 530. However, the CPU in the 520 is very close to being nothing more than an underclocked version of what is in the 1020, which is why the 1020 benchmarks aren't entirely irrelevant either. That is at least a very reasonable baseline for approximating the 520's performance.

I hope I could make that clear. :wink:
 
While CPU benchmarks are a complex subject, for a lot of daily use a slower quad core (in 530) will be slower than a faster dual core CPU (say 920). Recent ARM generational changes haven't added massive performance improvements/MHz, they've more optimized power, and so a faster (MHz) CPU core will simply feel faster for a lot of things, old or new. Sure, the 530 CPU will likely have lower power usage and potentially faster graphics but unless you are video converting or similar it's going to feel slower.

For a low end phone I'm sure the 530 will be fine, but the 520 is probably still better value at the moment!
 
Well i can argue about some of your points but i guess it's better to end this topic here as you said :)

Also the reason i posted was to respond to salmanahmad's comment about the added cores in the 200/400 to impress the community. There are hard working embedded engineers who put a ton of efforts to design these processors and who exactly know what they are doing, comments like these without understanding the exact architectural and performance improvements doesn't really prove anything.
 
While CPU benchmarks are a complex subject, for a lot of daily use a slower quad core (in 530) will be slower than a faster dual core CPU (say 920).


Well in this case the comparison is between the 200 (1.2 GHz/core) vs the S4 Play (1 GHz/core). The 920 has a faster processor (not necessarily better) and way better GPU (and more RAM) hence it'll definitely feel faster than the 530
 
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The only thing good about it the processor. Other than that 520 is much better I guess

another thing is the price, I expect it will be around 100 $ in my country - Vietnam. It will made sense and there is "no country for" low-end android based devices, I think :D
 

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