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Are there any realistic ROI calculators around? I'd like to convert our RV over to LED, as well as our 2,900SF ranch house and barn, lighting is a mix of CFL, halogen, luminescent and mercury vapor. Mix of LCD, Plasma and CRT TV's. I want all of the home lighting, fans, etc. to tie into my mixed Insteon and x11 home automation, so will either get smart bulbs or controllers for them.
While in the middle of a remodel, the lighting by itself is cash prohibitive. However, from an ROI and resale value it still would seem to make sense. Any good tools you've seen ?
Warning - VERY LONG POST.
Here’s one ROI calculator you can find online. There are others you can find by searching.
LED Return on Investment Calculator | Green Lighting LED
I understand that cost of LEDs make most people stop to consider if it’s worth it. You need to understand the basic premise of how LEDs work and why they’re better than conventional lighting.
I could bore you to death with the information I have about LEDs, I’ve sat through several presentations and I do lighting design as one of my tasks. Two things that are making us use LEDs on the project I’m on are based on energy savings and maintenance. I’m talking industrial here.
But the same rules of thinking apply but I think I should point out the good and not so good aspects of LEDs and the general reason why you should use them.
LED bulbs are basically two components. You have the actual LEDs and a driver. In terms of lifespan the driver is more likely to go than the LED itself. So a good quality driver is more important than anything else. I bought cheap LEDs on eBay to try them out, so far so good. I’d recommend any type of LED light that will get the heat away from the driver in the design.
When you buy a LED you should go for the cluster LED fixture rather than using a small number of high powered LEDs (this is my preference but not necessary) reason behind this is that if one LED goes you won’t notice. If you have only 5 high powered LEDs you might. I’m not up to speed of what’s available in the US but if you can only get the high powered ones then go with them, they’re still good.
All the heat is generated from the driver of the LED light. You can touch the lens of an LED and it won’t burn you. LEDs thrive in colder temperatures and have a longer lifespan the cooler they are. If you use them in hotter temperatures they won’t last as long still significantly better than a standard bulb though. Keep in mind when I say hot temperature I’m talking +40C.
One of the simplest calculations to make when considering LEDs is this:
A 70W replacement LED is 10W in North America. That’s approximately 15% of the energy used by conventional lights. You’re saving approximately 85% of energy per light.
That’s a general rule of thumb you can use. That means if you’re on a battery it will last longer and use less energy. If you want to cut energy costs, it’s a big difference over all, especially if you have a lot of lights.
LED light is instantaneous and the ‘bulbs’ themselves are more durable. They have a long lifespan and if you use them like you use your regular bulbs they’ll probably last a good 15 to 20 years. Average lifespan of an LED is 50,000 hours.
From an energy efficiency level they’re about the same as a florescent without all the issues and don’t suffer the low temperature issue of switching on.
If you buy LEDs I’d suggest a warm light as its closer to conventional lights. Get a wide angle light as well so that you don’t end up with shadows as LED light is more direct than any other type of light so the reflector is important.
If you’re at all interested I can provide you with lighting software. It’s a freely available software and fairly easy to use, especially if you ever used AutoCAD. You’ll need the IES files of the lights you plan to use to get any value from it though. The software won’t do ROI though.
Sorry for the long post. Hope this helps anyone considering LEDs.