Do you trust Microsoft with a feature like Windows Recall?

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Windows Recall is a powerful new feature that uses AI to search what you've done on your PC. Many question the security of such a feature. We would like to know your thoughts.

Do you trust Microsoft with a feature like Windows Recall? : Read more
Summary: I think Recall is a bad feature, I won't use it. I don't think it's Microsoft that we need to worry about.

Recall is local only, do I trust Microsoft will keep it local and not read, yes I do. Do I think that Recall is a good idea, no I don't. I will turn it off. Why, because I don't want any assumptions made based on what I may have looked at in passing. It's the police or some state actor that gets legal access to machine. Or even someone in the house. But I seriously doubt Microsoft is the entity you need to worry about.

For the record, I would NEVER trust any corporate entity to hold that data or be guardians of that data. I just don't see how that is the case with Recall.

I didn't answer the poll because IMO it misses the issue.
 

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Honestly for me it's not a matter of trust with Microsoft as it's stored locally. It's more how easy MS makes to ask Copilot and how quickly someone could ask "What's the 10 most embarrassing/dumb things I've done" or something like that.
 
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For me it's a multitude of issues.

1. At some level, I don't need it. It's the wrong solution to the problem - the right one is being a little more organised.. and asking yourself "How often do I really do this?" I have 8TB of archives of old work projects that I literally never look at... all kept for that "just in case" moment.

2. Storage requirements - this eats up 1/4 of my drive. I have better use for this space.

3. Hardware requirements - have we forgotten that a lot of computers can't even run Win 11? This adds yet another new hardware requirement. Also, not pleased that MSFT also chose this as the reason to try and push ARM on everyone when ironically Intel JUST added NPUs (and AMD is about to). Worse yet, apparently they didn't let Intel in on the secret that to be a Copilot+ PC, you need a 40TOPs NPU - so all of use who bought Ultra Gen 1 CPUs just got screwed.

4. Security. Yes, I know it's not supposed to use the web - but that's thinking one dimensionally. It's building essentially the file equivalent of a browser history. You don't think that's a prime target for hackers and malware?

5. Stop emulating Apple's bad ideas! Or at least emulate their good ones. This is Apple's Time Machine, just done badly.

6. Accuracy. Most analyses I've read on gen AI accuracy suggests it can be as low as 53%. My own experience tends to mirror that. Windows Search is already amazingly bad and resource hungry - this requires an actual extra processor to work.

Seriously, I would rather MSFT had put the effort into getting Win 11 finished and filling in all the missing features and weird UI/UX decisions - many of which they'd already tried before and failed - rather than gluing in yet another massive, disruptive lump of something no one asked for.
 

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While I see the usefulness of having a searchable history of what I've done on my PC (I use something similar for tracking what I do at work because I then need to report time spent per project), the answer is no, I don't trust Microsoft with any of this.
They've clearly shown they're not trustworthy enough to either respect our choice if we don't want it (as they did with default apps and functions getting reenabled with updates) nor our purchase, by cheapening the experience providing 'tips' (ads) all throught the operating system.

This will shortly expand to allow for "selected aggregate data" to be sent to Microsoft for analysis, that will further devolve into non-refutable data collection.

Yes, everyone is minig your data on the web, that's not a good reason for Microsoft to potentially do the same on my desktop.
 
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No, even if I did, why would I want it?

What problem is this solving?

Why do I want to waste processing power, energy, and hard drive space for screen recordings?
 
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Nope. Microsoft has simply backtracked on countless promises in the past. Chiefly being Satya Nadella saying if none builds Windows Phones they will. It's been down hill since the mobile division, programmatic testers and QA divisions/teams got axed.

By axing their mobile devices they axed any ability and opportunity they had to rebuild trust with consumers. After the testers and QA folks got axed, Windows Update got so bad... hardly anyone trusts it any more especially those who work in IT support. Before I left my previous job, the folks in IT would constantly grumble how often they'd had to test compatibility only to roll out an update and find it's broken something. The fix being an obscure tick box somewhere that is nowhere close to the description of the issue.

In regards to Android being secure as ios... lol... it's not as Android has had major vulnerabilities in the past. Mostly down to fragmentation of the O/S and lack of updates on older devices. Apple has the benefit of being the sole OEM of their devices. Google if they wanted to could patch the older devices but they won't because it costs money.

Going back to Microsoft, as If said before time and time again Microsoft's short sightedness was going to cost them in the long term. It's come back to bite them in the rear end tenfold, I sure hope the short spike in shareprices was worth it. Because at this rate, even that is going to go down and the bean counters will have hell of alot of tough questions to answer. One chiefly being laying off their AI Ethics and Society team ... that sure has built trust along with their shareprice... right? 🤦‍♂️

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...-microsoft-cut-an-ai-ethics-team-report-says/
 

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For me it's a multitude of issues.

1. At some level, I don't need it. It's the wrong solution to the problem - the right one is being a little more organised.. and asking yourself "How often do I really do this?" I have 8TB of archives of old work projects that I literally never look at... all kept for that "just in case" moment.

2. Storage requirements - this eats up 1/4 of my drive. I have better use for this space.

3. Hardware requirements - have we forgotten that a lot of computers can't even run Win 11? This adds yet another new hardware requirement. Also, not pleased that MSFT also chose this as the reason to try and push ARM on everyone when ironically Intel JUST added NPUs (and AMD is about to). Worse yet, apparently they didn't let Intel in on the secret that to be a Copilot+ PC, you need a 40TOPs NPU - so all of use who bought Ultra Gen 1 CPUs just got screwed.

4. Security. Yes, I know it's not supposed to use the web - but that's thinking one dimensionally. It's building essentially the file equivalent of a browser history. You don't think that's a prime target for hackers and malware?

5. Stop emulating Apple's bad ideas! Or at least emulate their good ones. This is Apple's Time Machine, just done badly.

6. Accuracy. Most analyses I've read on gen AI accuracy suggests it can be as low as 53%. My own experience tends to mirror that. Windows Search is already amazingly bad and resource hungry - this requires an actual extra processor to work.

Seriously, I would rather MSFT had put the effort into getting Win 11 finished and filling in all the missing features and weird UI/UX decisions - many of which they'd already tried before and failed - rather than gluing in yet another massive, disruptive lump of something no one asked for.

This.. all of this. Hundred percent agree.
 

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