Driving with Nokia

[Zolotoy]

Can someone please explain in a plain English how the **** to get Drive working?
Yesterday I was driving around Chicago's north suburbs and this thing took me like a half of a mile away from my destination. The funny part is that it knew my starting position which means it's not a positioning issue but bugs in software. Or what else.

 

[Curtieson]

Can someone please explain in a plain English how the **** to get Drive working?
Yesterday I was driving around Chicago's north suburbs and this thing took me like a half of a mile away from my destination. The funny part is that it knew my starting position which means it's not a positioning issue but bugs in software. Or what else.

Put in a more accurate address? Did it take you to 42 S. Cubs Way and you wanted to go to 42 N. Cubs Way?

The software will take me on a path I don't normally take, but it has never once given me incorrect coordinates.

 

[Zolotoy]

Put in a more accurate address? Did it take you to 42 S. Cubs Way and you wanted to go to 42 N. Cubs Way?

The software will take me on a path I don't normally take, but it has never once given me incorrect coordinates.

Know nothing about coordinates, but Google Maps works just fine for that address.

 

[Curtieson]

Know nothing about coordinates, but Google Maps works just fine for that address.

When you put in an address, Google/HERE translate that into coordinates and then maps it out. That is what I meant.

 

[Narse77]

I use Drive daily and have never had issue with it taking me to the wrong place. I however made the mistake of typing the address wrong like Curtieson mentioned. If it was a N 49th instead of S 49th etc.
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[Zolotoy]

I use Drive daily and have never had issue with it taking me to the wrong place. I however made the mistake of typing the address wrong like Curtieson mentioned. If it was a N 49th instead of S 49th etc.
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I am trying very hard to imagine myself entering a wrong address by tapping it in a text message I have been sent to with the address. Still can't. It wasn't just south north error, it was a different place all together. Google Maps took my typing correctly though.

 

[Curtieson]

I am trying very hard to imagine myself entering a wrong address by tapping it in a text message I have been sent to with the address. Still can't. It wasn't just south north error, it was a different place all together. Google Maps took my typing correctly though.

Not trying to judge you, but just trying to talk you off the cliff and/or soap box you are on. If it was a 1 time event, the odds of it being a fat fingered mistake are pretty high.

At what point does it go wrong? In Maps or Drive+? It should just Underline itself and you tap to open it in Maps and then "Get Directions To Here". Once calculated, you review the list to make sure it passes the sniff test and click "Start Navigation" to open in Drive and you start using the built in GPS.

What happens when you manually scroll to the actual location, press/hold for location information (what does the address say now?) and what happens when you send THAT to drive?

 

[Zolotoy]

When I tap the address it open Drive+ and shows it. When I tap it on the map it gives two options under About: Address and directions. If I tap directions it opens Drive+ with a starting point. How do I review the list? Ok, I scrolled the map all a way to the destination and it clearly shows a wrong destination point. I wouldn't complain if Google Maps would have been mistaken too, but it works fine. That's how it shows it. Clearly, it is confused. Looks like the map is not completely up to date = useless.

 

[Curtieson]

do I review the list?

To get the directions list, you tap on the "directions" at the bottom of your screen shot, scroll up from down there and you'll see the listing. Looking at that list could tell you where it is making the wrong turn, and might need to report that to Nokia/HERE.

Clearly, it is confused. Looks like the map is not completely up to date = useless.

Is that building you are going to an apartment complex? Look up your directions with the Satellite layer turned on. The pushpin takes you RIGHT to what appears to be the front door. That seems to be MORE accurate than just stopping on the edge of the road / not showing you the building.

I am not sure...But I don't understand why it would mess up the directions by giving you a pushpin that is 50 ft off the road instead of right on the road. I am getting the same result though, (using XX16 as the address number puts the pushpin not on the road, but raised like your screen grab). But the directions do not appear to be incorrect.

 

[Zolotoy]

Yes, it took me to this building which is wrong. The right destination is on the curve of Suffield road.

 

[Curtieson]

OK, I think that is just an issue of a weird neighborhood

And maybe a little bit of HERE being a WORLD WIDE mapping program and Google being a USA program, but that would just be an excuse.

Go to HERE.com, find that address and report the problem. Without the proper feedback (and letting them know "this neighbor hood has roads that are not named") they will never even know they HAVE an issue.

 

[Zolotoy]

<And maybe a little bit of HERE being a WORLD WIDE mapping program and Google being a USA program, but that would just be an excuse.
Are you saying that USA is not a part of the World? How do you know it works better in "other" parts of the World? Why would you even look for an excuse for something not working properly when you actually pay for it? I get ****ed at my work making mistakes but it's ok for Nokia CEO? Should I feel sorry for poor man being too busy and not having QA doing their job?

 

[mikewp]

OK, I think that is just an issue of a weird neighborhood

And maybe a little bit of HERE being a WORLD WIDE mapping program and Google being a USA program, but that would just be an excuse.

Go to HERE.com, find that address and report the problem. Without the proper feedback (and letting them know "this neighbor hood has roads that are not named") they will never even know they HAVE an issue.

Good Job Curtieson or is that Curteouson! Sounds like another person with an agenda, but I think you sniffed him out as such early on. His "issue" is a real one though. Overall, my Nokia Drive experience has been rock solid, but the maps where I live are at least 5 years old. I have emailed navteq and here 3 times including multiple screenshots from their navteq site showing discrepencies. No "thank you" or anything.. I check occasionally and the maps are still deficient.

 

[Curtieson]

<And maybe a little bit of HERE being a WORLD WIDE mapping program and Google being a USA program, but that would just be an excuse.
Are you saying that USA is not a part of the World? How do you know it works better in "other" parts of the World? Why would you even look for an excuse for something not working properly when you actually pay for it? I get ****ed at my work making mistakes but it's ok for Nokia CEO? Should I feel sorry for poor man being too busy and not having QA doing their job?

World, VERY big. US, VERY not as big.

How many countries/cities does Google have accurate Transit information? Part of one, 3 cities
How many countries does Nokia have accurate Transit information? 50 Countries, 670 cities

You'd be surprised if Google was quicker to the punch in their tiny little set of information?

And it is not even like it sent you 900 miles out of your way. Woman drives 900 miles out of her way after GPS error | USAHM Conspiracy News

Saying there are 7 Billion people in the world is close enough when you are talking about the world population. Saying there are 400 Million people in the US however is not accurate...even though it is actually relatively more accurate... Not having 1 neighborhood in 1 city that doesn't have street names mapped out is not a big deal when you are mapping the entire world. It's like you have no idea how large the scope of HERE maps spans

 

[Curtieson]

Good Job Curtieson or is that Curteouson! Sounds like another person with an agenda, but I think you sniffed him out as such early on. His "issue" is a real one though. Overall, my Nokia Drive experience has been rock solid, but the maps where I live are at least 5 years old. I have emailed navteq and here 3 times including multiple screenshots from their navteq site showing discrepencies. No "thank you" or anything.. I check occasionally and the maps are still deficient.

It is just mapping data as a whole! The scope is SOOOO HUGE! We just really don't realize what they are dealing with!

There is a street near me that has been completely moved, houses torn down and shifted...yet Google, Apple, Nokia/Bing still haven't updated. That was 4 years ago. They show you driving right through someones yard. You can even look at the updated satellite images and see that the plotted road doesn't travel on the real road, haha.

Mapping is a huge whale, and meant to assist us. We seriously can't call it sh*t because it has 1 hair out of place.

 

[vlad0]

Alright, I've been using Nokia maps (used to be called OVI Maps..) in the US for.. about 5 years, alongside Google Maps.

Google maps, to this day, is better at indexing, and directions.. at least here in the US. Nokia Maps has gotten much better over the years, but its still not up to par with gmaps. I often have gmaps and nokia drive running at the same time just to make sure nokia drive is taking me to the right place.

Yes, I've had Nokia Maps/Drive take me to the wrong address several times.

Nokia Maps for Symbian and Windows Phone pull from the same place, they use identical maps.

Obviously this will vary depending on where in the US you are..

Now, I've been to S.America and Europe several times, and.. ya.. Nokia Maps is amazing, especially since you don't need data.

 

[WhyFiNYC]

Yes, I've had Nokia Maps/Drive take me to the wrong address several times.

I had this happen to me today, so I searched the forum to see if this was a common problem. The destination was taken directly out of a local search. The street address given was correct, but the place that it sent me to was about 2 miles away. When I manually entered the address, however, I was directed to the right location. Weird. I've been sent on a few goose chases with WP7.5, but this the first time I've had it happen on the 928.

I'll send info to HERE.

 

[WhyFiNYC]

Just to follow up on my previous post -

Instead of sending info to HERE (the forms didn't seem to have adequate means of communicating exactly what the problem was) I did a live chat with someone on Bing Maps. The person on the other end was reassuringly... well... a person, for one - none of the canned phrases tied to macro buttons. In addition to being a real person, he was also technically competent and attentive - through the course of conversation. he noted out that the erroneous location that I was directed to was smack dab in the middle of the township's name on the map. We surmised that it may have been an issue with how the address was formatted in the search results (spelling out "County Road 42" yielded a correct location, but the abbreviated search result " Cty Rd # 42" resulted in the error) - without the proper address to find the long/lat, it was just defaulting to the center of the town. The problem was flagged (in general and with this specific business address), but I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for the solution.

In the meantime, though, the takeaway was this - if a search result is abbreviated strangely, double-check the destination on the map - if it's in the middle of the city/town name, it's probably sending you to the wrong place.