Elop: We aren?t getting the traction we prefer

[mafu6]

But with certain carriers in the US, I've read stories that people have been abused for trying to get a Windows Phone in the stores. Like all the staff a certain store laughing when someone went in and asked for a WP7, to which they refused to show the WP7 and was like Android Android Android until the person finally decided they didn't want WP7 anymore. I.E. as if it's a sin to want a WP7 device.

So how is WP going to gain traction with stores laughing at people when they want to buy WP? Until Android is closed by Google to Motorola only (5 years apparently) then WP wont excel the way it should, unless WP8 is Amazing with beefed up specs. Stores seem to be jumping on the specs band wagon these days no matter how smooth the OS is. Single core WP are as good as (if not better than) Android quad-core phones (maybe not the 1st gen WP). WP is having a very hard time in gaining market share but eventually I believe it will... (if Nokia can survive that long AND OEMs + Microsoft throws stupid amounts of money into advertising)

 

[eric12341]

Well, I preordered a Galaxy S III today. I genuinely wanted a Windows Phone on Verizon, but once it became clear I would lose my unlimited data if I didn't pre-order, and Windows 8 was a ways off, it was the only thing that made sense.

I'm a current Android user, and while I was always satisfied with Android, I wanted something more. I loved the text-based approach of Metro, and as much as I grew up hating Microsoft, they've gotten a lot better. I came here around when the AT&T Lumia was coming out hoping for something from Microsoft, but to be honest, the more I saw, the less I wanted WP. Or, rather, I wanted Windows Phone, but I knew I wouldn't be able to leave Android completely because of WP's limitations. Ok, so I'd carry two phones for a while, that's fine. But the intense fanboyism. Man, there's nothing I dislike more than dogmatists. Whether evangelical Christians, rabid iOS fans, or whatever, they drive me crazy. And this place is 100% ******. I don't think I could switch to WP without serious marketshare expansion to dilute the fanboyism!

I seriously wish WP the best. But if they can't sell to me, someone who genuinely wants a WP7 phone, someone who is not going to be moved by the sales rep's pushing Android or iOS, someone who is technically capable but still able to see a consumer perspective, then what's the point?
People keep saying "wait for WP8." But I can't. I wanted to keep my unlimited data. "Wait for a Lumia." Nothing forthcoming from Verizon, how long do I wait? "Wait for..." for what? Android is activating 900,000 handsets a day.
If WP8 phones come out in say, October, let's just call it 120 days from now. Android is going to sell over 100 million units by October. How does Microsoft come back from that?

Yeah, Elop's not getting the traction he wants. Because I can't buy a handset, even if I wanted to. Europeans can, but they're not. Don't know why. But what a double whammy. The people who want to buy handsets can't, and the people who can, don't.

I don't believer that you had to upgrade to keep unlimited data, where's a source for that? Doesn't make sense to me, watch them impose soft caps on that tho.

 

[Roadkillin]

I understood it as him saying if he waited any longer to upgrade then he would be unable to keep the unlimited data.

 

[InfectedPhreak]

What people have to remember is this... How many people are in 2 year contracts? How long has WP been around?

Funny thing is... Me and my family bought our Android devices... Literally October 21st, 2010... Only a few weeks before the American release of Windows Phone. I was watching Windows Phone commercials on television prior to buying my Android device. I actually used to LOVE the original WP commercials. Haha.

I don't believer that you had to upgrade to keep unlimited data, where's a source for that? Doesn't make sense to me, watch them impose soft caps on that tho.

As far as I know, the only way to keep your unlimited data plan is to flat out buy a new phone full price after the launch of "Share Everything" plan. Some people are using their upgrades to LTE devices to keep their unlimited data plan on a newer device before the plans switch. Not exactly sure how it's all working out though.

 

[tekhna]

As far as I know, the only way to keep your unlimited data plan is to flat out buy a new phone full price after the launch of "Share Everything" plan. Some people are using their upgrades to LTE devices to keep their unlimited data plan on a newer device before the plans switch. Not exactly sure how it's all working out though.

If you upgrade using your subsidy before the 28th of June you keep your unlimited data. That includes pre-orders for the Galaxy S III, which won't ship 'til the 9th.

 

[scottcraft]

I don't believer that you had to upgrade to keep unlimited data, where's a source for that? Doesn't make sense to me, watch them impose soft caps on that tho.

Before the 28th you can use an upgrade and keep unlimited,but after the only way to keep unlimited will be purchasing the phone at full retail. It's on all the android forums.

 

[jdevenberg]

After today's Surface announcement, I'd almost prefer it if MS took Windows Phone development in house instead of relying on other manufacturers.

 

[cckgz4]

I LOVE how this ecosystem is shaping up to be. Now it's time for Wednesday, and I'd be happier than a pig in...... well you know

 

[mafu6]

If the Windows Surfave tablet is less than $499 then I'm sold! As long as battery life and apps can be backwards compatable with WP7. It is shaping up very nicely indeed for microsoft... now i wonder what Nokias reply to this will be!

 

[InfectedPhreak]

After today's Surface announcement, I'd almost prefer it if MS took Windows Phone development in house instead of relying on other manufacturers.

The way I think MS took Windows Phone is the route of putting something out there to help grow the ecosystem. To make a bit more money to start doing what they want to do, so they started getting OEM's on board for WP7. When the punchline comes, I think Nokia is really going to be the only one left. HTC and other OEM's aren't really doing much, as they concentrate on Android. I'm glad though they went in house and completely did Surface themselves... it's a beautiful product.

 

[Laura Knotek]

Did anyone notice that the colors of the Surface covers resemble the colors of the Lumia line?

I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft eventually buys out Nokia.

Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express

 

[based_graham]

I am a firm believer people buy iPhones and Galaxy's is because you see Apple and Samsung branding everywhere.

You see Apple right on the back on every product and there's millions of iPod out there. Same thing for Samsung people see Samsung electronics on a daily basis.

What is out there for Nokia? Old school brick phones that nobody has? The problem is the brand isn't out there and 4 phones aren't going to cut it.

1. Nokia needs to release more handsets that take on different price points
2. Nokia needs to widen their arsenal don't just stick to phones make other electronics like Tablets, PC's, Headphones use that Nokia Industrial design and Colors to get that products out there and to get consumer attention.
3. Keep building strong relationships, market and ride Microsoft success.

When more people start to see more Nokia in the market the more consumer awareness. Unfortunately this isn't going to happen in the first year... Its going to take at least 3 revisions to solidify the brand name in todays culture.

 

[anon(5335877)]

What is out there for Nokia? Old school brick phones that nobody has? The problem is the brand isn't out there and 4 phones aren't going to cut it.

1. Nokia needs to release more handsets that take on different price points

You mean spam the market with billions of different handset models like Samsung does? I'm not really a fan of that idea. I feel like it's a waste of resources because you have to spend time and money developing and creating those products. Then after that, you have to spend time and money supporting those products. Not only that, having so many products confuses the consumer.

Like for the Galaxy Line, starting with the Galaxy S II there's the Galaxy Pro, Galaxy S Wii 4.0, Galaxy Player 5, Galaxy S Plus, Galaxy Prevail, Galaxy R, Galaxy Xcover, Galaxy W, Galaxy Y Pro, Galaxy M Pro, Galaxy Y, Galaxy S II LTE, Galaxy S II for T-Mobile, AT&T, Galaxy Note, Galaxy S WiFi 3.6, Galaxy Nexus for Sprint, Verizon, and GSM, Captivate Glide (Galaxy Glide), Galaxy S II Skyrocket, Galaxy Y DUOS, Galaxy Y Pro DUOS, Galaxy Ace Plus, Galaxy Attain 4G, Galaxy S II Skyrocket HD, Galaxy Note LTE, Galaxy S Blaze 4G, Galaxy S Advance, Galaxy S II CDMA, Galaxy mini 2, Galaxy Ace 2, Galaxy Ace DUOS, Galaxy Player 4.2, Galaxy Pocket, Galax Player 3.6, and now the Galaxy S III devices.

And what about their tablets? There's the original Galaxy Tab, two more version for AT&T and T-Mobile, and another version for CDMA. Then there's the Galaxy Tab 10.1v, Galaxy Tab 8.9, Galaxy Tab 10.1, Galaxy Tab Wi-Fi, Galaxy Tab 10.1 LTE, Galaxy Tab 10.1 Wi-Fi, Galaxy Tab 8.9 LTE, Galaxy Tab 7.7, Galaxy Tab 10.1 (T-Mobile), Galaxy Tab 7.0 Plus, Galaxy Tab 7.7 LTE, Galaxy Tab 2 (7.0), and Galaxy Tab 2 (10.1).

So my first question is, WTF? Secondly, Samsung, how do you not run out of names? And about the tablets, why do you have like 4 different screen sizes? I think it would have been easier just to choose two screen sizes (one big, one small) and stick with it.

This, by the way, is what I don't want Nokia to do. I think it's a waste of resources. In Samsung's case, it seems like Samsung is mixing and matching random parts out of their parts bin to make many different models to fill ever single niche; however, those phones don't seem to work great. Some of the phones in that list that you've never heard of before got poor reviews from phonearena.com (which is where I got the list of Samsung devices from).

I'm sorry if it seems like I'm hating on Samsung, but I really hate it when OEMs flood the market like that. Thankfully, HTC is now focusing on the One series, and hopefully Samsung doesn't try to make fifty different version of the Galaxy S III this time around.

To be honest, I'm not sure why manufacturers would knowingly put out subpar devices. I know you want to have lower end devices for consumers on a budget, but if you put out crap, do you think they'll want to buy a phone of your brand in the future?

 

[eastbayrae]

Samsung uses a random name generator, just like HTC, to come up with these horrid naming schemes.

 

[cckgz4]

You mean spam the market with billions of different handset models like Samsung does? I'm not really a fan of that idea. I feel like it's a waste of resources because you have to spend time and money developing and creating those products. Then after that, you have to spend time and money supporting those products. Not only that, having so many products confuses the consumer.

Like for the Galaxy Line, starting with the Galaxy S II there's the Galaxy Pro, Galaxy S Wii 4.0, Galaxy Player 5, Galaxy S Plus, Galaxy Prevail, Galaxy R, Galaxy Xcover, Galaxy W, Galaxy Y Pro, Galaxy M Pro, Galaxy Y, Galaxy S II LTE, Galaxy S II for T-Mobile, AT&T, Galaxy Note, Galaxy S WiFi 3.6, Galaxy Nexus for Sprint, Verizon, and GSM, Captivate Glide (Galaxy Glide), Galaxy S II Skyrocket, Galaxy Y DUOS, Galaxy Y Pro DUOS, Galaxy Ace Plus, Galaxy Attain 4G, Galaxy S II Skyrocket HD, Galaxy Note LTE, Galaxy S Blaze 4G, Galaxy S Advance, Galaxy S II CDMA, Galaxy mini 2, Galaxy Ace 2, Galaxy Ace DUOS, Galaxy Player 4.2, Galaxy Pocket, Galax Player 3.6, and now the Galaxy S III devices.

And what about their tablets? There's the original Galaxy Tab, two more version for AT&T and T-Mobile, and another version for CDMA. Then there's the Galaxy Tab 10.1v, Galaxy Tab 8.9, Galaxy Tab 10.1, Galaxy Tab Wi-Fi, Galaxy Tab 10.1 LTE, Galaxy Tab 10.1 Wi-Fi, Galaxy Tab 8.9 LTE, Galaxy Tab 7.7, Galaxy Tab 10.1 (T-Mobile), Galaxy Tab 7.0 Plus, Galaxy Tab 7.7 LTE, Galaxy Tab 2 (7.0), and Galaxy Tab 2 (10.1).

So my first question is, WTF? Secondly, Samsung, how do you not run out of names? And about the tablets, why do you have like 4 different screen sizes? I think it would have been easier just to choose two screen sizes (one big, one small) and stick with it.

This, by the way, is what I don't want Nokia to do. I think it's a waste of resources. In Samsung's case, it seems like Samsung is mixing and matching random parts out of their parts bin to make many different models to fill ever single niche; however, those phones don't seem to work great. Some of the phones in that list that you've never heard of before got poor reviews from phonearena.com (which is where I got the list of Samsung devices from).

I'm sorry if it seems like I'm hating on Samsung, but I really hate it when OEMs flood the market like that. Thankfully, HTC is now focusing on the One series, and hopefully Samsung doesn't try to make fifty different version of the Galaxy S III this time around.

To be honest, I'm not sure why manufacturers would knowingly put out subpar devices. I know you want to have lower end devices for consumers on a budget, but if you put out crap, do you think they'll want to buy a phone of your brand in the future?

Oh and don't forget to add that only less than a handful of these devices are actually using a CURRENT update and those that are currently updated have a low chance of seeing Jelly bean. I'll wait for those certain posters to try and word their defense statements to play hero