Hugely Disappointed in 8.1 Backup

[jhoff80]

What if the app is updated and the backup data is not working?

If an app is updated enough to require changes to the data, the developer already has to provide a way to migrate it on first run, because otherwise every user who updates the app loses all their data.

How the app can know that the data is restores? when you install an app, the app re-create a new isolated storage.

Restore only happens once - right after setup of a new device. The app wouldn't need to know if data is restored - either there's data there and it uses it, or there's not and it creates its own.

The good news are that WP8.1 apps will have the options for cloud backup.

And the bad news is that the 150,000 apps (or whatever that number is) that currently exist will not for now (and possibly never, depending on how many of the developers are still actively doing anything with their apps). The ~10% of those existing apps that are games? Likely to never support data backup. Users don't care which type of app it is (whether WP 8.1 Silverlight, WP 8.0 Silverlight, XNA, DirectX, whatever)... they just all of want their data to still be there when they lose or upgrade a phone. Windows Phone is the ONLY platform that doesn't have any solution for this, even still.

 

[Xpider_MX]

If an app is updated enough to require changes to the data, the developer already has to provide a way to migrate it on first run, because otherwise every user who updates the app loses all their data.

But, for restoring the data, the system must install the app first, then rewrite the backup over the isolated data. If the app is a newer version, and it requires new data version, and the system rewrite the new isolated data with the older...

Restore only happens once - right after setup of a new device. The app wouldn't need to know if data is restored - either there's data there and it uses it, or there's not and it creates its own..

Reas my last comment.

And the bad news is that the 150,000 apps (or whatever that number is) that currently exist will not for now (and possibly never, depending on how many of the developers are still actively doing anything with their apps). The ~10% of those existing apps that are games? Likely to never support data backup. Users don't care which type of app it is (whether WP 8.1 Silverlight, WP 8.0 Silverlight, XNA, DirectX, whatever)... they just all of want their data to still be there when they lose or upgrade a phone. Windows Phone is the ONLY platform that doesn't have any solution for this, even still.

Windows Phone has the solution with WP8.1. There is not a native solution on Android, the user must do everything for himself (titanium backup and others). That's the reason I don't like Android.

Not all apps requires backup, a lot of apps recreate the data from internet (all the social apps), and other apps have solutions by it self (cloud backup).

 

[jhoff80]

But, for restoring the data, the system must install the app first, then rewrite the backup over the isolated data. If the app is a newer version, and it requires new data version, and the system rewrite the new isolated data with the older...

Why would it do it that way? It already restores any backup data that exists before it installs the apps, meaning the data would already be there for any app before it creates anything new.

Windows Phone has the solution with WP8.1. There is not a native solution on Android, the user must do everything for himself (titanium backup and others). That's the reason I don't like Android.

Again it does not have the solution to backup all data. It has a solution for a subset of apps, which just isn't an actual solution.

Not all apps requires backup, a lot of apps recreate the data from internet (all the social apps), and other apps have solutions by it self (cloud backup).

And yet even those apps are a miserable experience when you have to re-input all of your user ids and settings. Yes, there are going to be some apps that don't need all of their data stored, but it still makes far more sense to err on the side of backing up too much, even if cache data gets overwritten. Developer opt-out was the way to go here, not vice versa.

 

[Xpider_MX]

Why would it do it that way? It already restores any backup data that exists before it installs the apps, meaning the data would already be there for any app before it creates anything new.

How will know the OS the format of the isolated data? You cannot restore an isolated data without the app, the OS cannot know that, only the app.

And what will happens to GB's games?

Again it does not have the solution to backup all data. It has a solution for a subset of apps, which just isn't an actual solution.

It is a solution for newer and updated apps. On android all solutions requires root (all third party), if you like that solution good for you, I don't like it.

 

[Rodrigo Mendes]

The OS knows where each app stores its data (in Isolated Storage). No reason it couldn't copy those files.

So Android and IOS have this feature in day 1?

I don't think so.

 

[SwimSwim]

The reason developers have to opt-in is so developers can ensure data is being backed up in a way they liked. I.E: If you're using a third party app to access OneDrive (or dropbox, or even Google Drive, if you're into that kind of thing), you don't want the local file caches being backed up, when they can easily be downloaded from the cloud.

Same thing for any application that heavily utilizes the cloud. This is also important for, say, 6snap, because this app relies on the photos staying secure.

So yeah, annoying, especially for abandoned apps, but this just means that users will seek out apps that properly use apps that take advantage of this and other new features in 8.1.

 

[jhoff80]

So Android and IOS have this feature in day 1?

iOS definitely has had it from the beginning. It started out as only with a cable, but it doesn't matter, there was SOME way to do it from the start.

Moreover, Windows Phone isn't competing with iOS and Android on Day 1. It doesn't matter what those platforms had at launch - it matters what they do now (and what Windows Phone still doesn't do).

 

[Rodrigo Mendes]

iOS definitely has had it from the beginning. It started out as only with a cable, but it doesn't matter, there was SOME way to do it from the start.

Moreover, Windows Phone isn't competing with iOS and Android on Day 1. It doesn't matter what those platforms had at launch - it matters what they do now (and what Windows Phone still doesn't do).

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Windows Phone DO after 8.1. But apps needs upgrade to support. This is pretty normal, I think.

 

[jhoff80]

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Windows Phone DO after 8.1. But apps needs upgrade to support. This is pretty normal, I think.

Again, a backup of a subset of your data is not a solution for a complete backup.

 

[SwimSwim]

To each their own. I for one am glad Microsoft is giving the power to the developers. Much better than a one-size-fits-all approach. This enables developers to custom tailor backups to what best fits their apps.

We're already seeing apps start to roll out with this functionality. Give it time, (good) developers will start updating their apps to enable this feature soon enough.

 

[DavidinCT]

I would love for Microsoft to force every app to back up (even more for game saves)....so devs would update their apps if they do not want it backed up(at least start like this). This would be the way to make sure all apps are updated if the dev does not want that feature enabled. Force passworded items to not backup passwords.

This would allow all applications right now to be able to work with it. The sad thing is all the games I play, have not been updated in a long time and I can never backup my saves... If I cant do that, then this feature is worthless and will be almost worthless for a while.

This was the biggest thing I was looking forward to but so far, it looks like it will be big failure, as no apps will be updated and if they are updated, they wont adjust for backing up, anyway about it, it seems like a MAJOR failure to me...

We're already seeing apps start to roll out with this functionality. Give it time, (good) developers will start updating their apps to enable this feature soon enough.

Can you name a few applications/games with with this feature enabled or in use on it (allowing or disabling) ??

 

[prasath1234]

Yes with android if u root then u can take the backup with the help of Cwm recovery.

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[SwimSwim]

Can you name a few applications/games with with this feature enabled or in use on it (allowing or disabling) ??

I know Disney's solitare app that just recently launched features OneDrive syncing. I imagine they (Disney) will update other apps with this feature soon enough, as they actually have been pretty decent supporters of Windows Phone since the launch of WP8.1.

And we all know Rudy will more than likely be unveiling these features in his apps soon enough, because Rudy.

 

[Xpider_MX]

Yes with android if u root then u can take the backup with the help of Cwm recovery.

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And that's why Windows Phone is not like Android. Windows Phone methods are always pro-security, not again.

And we all know Rudy will more than likely be unveiling these features in his apps soon enough, because Rudy.

What is the rudy web page or twitter?

 

[jhoff80]

I know Disney's solitare app that just recently launched features OneDrive syncing.

That's actually entirely different from the device backup. Moreover, they do this syncing in a non-standard way.

 

[jhoff80]

I got back the following:-
Notification settings for apps (sounds, vibration etc)

Positive on this one? Mine went back to all defaults after a restore (got my fixed 1020 back today).

 

[T Moore]

Not Hugely Disappointed.

 

[KKRLessey]

I keep getting an error saying the was an error and your settings have not backed up, try again later. Please help!!

 

[jhoff80]

Positive on this one? Mine went back to all defaults after a restore (got my fixed 1020 back today).

To answer my own question, even though they don't show up in the actions/notifications settings until after you get a toast, your custom notification settings do come back... for everything but email, for some reason.

Not Hugely Disappointed.

Well, if you just replaced your phone and like usual, still had to spend 4-5 hours getting it to work the same way as best as possible, while still losing all of your game saves, maybe you would be too.