coip: Human nature; it's one thing to do it voluntarily but being told to submit to unnecessary DRM it triggers an automatic rebel response.
Well, the developers who lose millions of dollars due to piracy probably wouldn't describe it as "unnecessary DRM", but, yes, I understand the backlash--I just don't understand why it's not aimed at Sony too (they're still allowing it), or why it never came against Apple or Google for iOS and Android for doing the same thing.
1. Home consoles are NOT the same as cell phones. Apples and oranges. What if my internet goes down at home, or I don't need it? I'd like to still be able to use my console.
2. I don't play PC games, so it doesn't currently affect me. I'd like to be able to whatever I want with the physical media I have purchased, whether that's lending to someone else or selling it to a 2nd hand retailer.
3. Yea, DRM is coming for everyone so no way to get around this. However, I view mandatory DRM for all games on a console different than leaving it up to the publisher, but not a big difference.
4. We'll see. Benefits of digital are really just promises right now. Whatever the new SimCity is promised all of the benefits of cloud computing and that seems to have turned into a complete disaster.
5. Couldn't care less about the eye or Kinect. I think forcing it on consumers or publishers is a mistake.
These are just my reasons for purchasing a PS4 to start. I'm sure the Xbox One will be a great system, and when it eventually drops in price I may pick one up. For now, I just don't see the added benefit to justify the extra 100
In a basic sense, they are pretty much the same: they're devices you use to access and play games. But, yeah, I feel the same way: it would be nice to have the option to play offline if that's your cup of tea or if the 'Net goes out or if you want to go vacation up in the mountains or whatever. But we've got to consider the pros and cons of it all. I think I'm ready to give that up to get the benefits of cloud-based gaming (not just the performance improvements of updates and cloud processing, but the ability to no longer haul around physical media, although I realize some people like this). You can still lend games and sell them. In some ways it's more restrictive (i.e., only being able to be sold once), but in other ways it's easier (sharing with up to 10 friends digitally and remotely). As for 'mandatory DRM' vs. leaving it up to the publisher, I prefer Microsoft's route as I like standardization. I memorize the rules once, and that's that. Sony's strategy is going to create chaos with some publishers doing X, some doing Y, and some doing Z. Yes, I've read that the promised cloud computing benefits of Sim City didn't live up to expectations, and I cannot comment much on it since I'm not a computer programmer, but I don't think Microsoft would be touting it so much if it was just a gimmick. My point is that I'm not a fan of the DRM thing either, particularly the check-ins, but I don't get why people think PS4 will be any better.
As for the Kinect, that is what excites me the most. My experience with the original Kinect was piqued interest that quickly faded: most of the motion control is clumsy and quickly gets old. But, that's first generation hardware and software. With each generation it will get better, especially with Microsoft motivating developers to innovate by bundling it with the system. Sure, right now nothing beats the controller, but I for one sure hope that ten, twenty years from now we aren't still sitting on a chair holding a controller. I want full body immersion, and Microsoft is pushing toward that with Kinect and Illumi Room. Sony isn't pushing the industry in the direction I want it to go: the same old games with slightly prettier graphics aren't what I want.
What I don't get is this thread supporting MS for their actions. I also don't get why this site is so MS fanatical. One thing is to like MS products but it's another level to pretend MS can do no wrong.
The step MS is proposing is a big deal, but even a bigger deal when you see the direction their heading to. If you recall they proposed denying all used games after an outcry they revered that decision but still implemented some DRM. What's to stop them from implementing this in the future via a software update?
Going to your phone analogy. Yes there are many parallels. If an app requires internet access for it to work(but is not a network app) It gets uninstalled. I also do not willingly give my information out to any app, it must justify the need else it will not be installed. However there is one major difference in your analogy not all apps have DRM. I use Android and I can backup my apps and have them work on any future Android device. Also the average App cost a few dollars while these console game cost $60. I own all three consoles and I will say this if MS does not change their direction I will only support the WII and PS.=X=
Don't get me wrong: I'm not an advocate of what Microsoft is doing (although, I do think it's better than what Sony is doing). I just feel that people are freaking out about things they already do (being constantly connected on their Xbox 360s or smartphones), and defecting to Sony for things that will undoubtedly exist on the PS4 too. I recall them softening their stance on the used games, and I think that's good. I hope they soften it in other ways too (particularly, the 24-hour check-in). As for the price difference between consoles and smart phone apps, presumably this DRM junk is also going to result in lower prices for console games too, as it did on Steam. Here's to hoping that comes true, otherwise the consumer really is getting shortchanged.
The difference here is, Apple started as a digital download, so did Windows Phone, and other types of devices, Android, etc. Digital downloads are the way they are and I, with most people accept that. This is totally different from the issue at hand.
The issue is with PHYSICAL MEDIA. When you buy a disc, you should have a right to do what you want with the disc. Sell, give away, or what ever you want. The courts decided how people have the right to sell their music CD and it would almost apply here.
Microsoft is trying to turn everything to digital in a market that has always been based on Physical media, cart, CD or DVD based. Sony saw the reaction from people, and played off it, this is why they look like the golden child here..This is the problem and till it's addressed, it's a major problem with me, as others...this is the big deal with used games.
I think they're going to argue that the Xbox One is no longer a physical media machine, much like PC software. Yes, you get a physical disc, but it's only for installation purposes (so you don't have to download 50GB games all the time). In this sense, the past is gone. Apple and Valve changed it and everyone is going to follow suit. It will face some growing pains, but ultimately I think the pros outweigh the cons as long as we're thinking from an innovation point of view. Again, I get the backlash against this; I just don't get why gamers don't realize that Sony's move was just PR bull**** and that the PS4 will be the same way.